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flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.28 23:34:00 -
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Hello EVE,
Why are Dust514 players able to enter a chat channel that has a password lock on it?
From the patch notes:
Chat
Fixed an issue with chat channel member list filtering. Infantry should no longer infiltrate your channels if you donGÇÖt want them to.
Also, I would like to point out how ANNOYING it is to actually FIND the link to the patch notes on your website. I shouldn't have to click more than one or two links to find it. Put a link on the site that is easy to find. Maybe something along the bottom?
P.S. I miss the old original EVE Online website. Bitter vet is bitter!
Thanks for all the fish!
flummox I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
99
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Posted - 2013.01.28 23:43:00 -
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Why are Dustbunnies allowed to enter chat at all? I have 0 interest in what the say, which is mainly recruiting spam. |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.28 23:46:00 -
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Every single time I log in I see a new Dust514 player in my private channel that has a password lock on it. My favorite names so far are:
Big Krispy full blown aids
If these are your characters, please post here for a free* can of Mountain Dew!!
flummox
* Free can of Mountain Dew must be redeemed from your local retailer by paying them full price in the local currency. I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1095
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Posted - 2013.01.28 23:52:00 -
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I guess it's impossible that those are the dust players of people that already know the password to your channel?
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:07:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:I guess it's impossible that those are the dust players of people that already know the password to your channel?
I guess it's possible that another person will come along and ask an even more pointless question than that one...
I know exactly 0 (zero) Dust514 players.
flummox I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:21:00 -
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flummox wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:I guess it's impossible that those are the dust players of people that already know the password to your channel?
I guess it's possible that another person will come along and ask an even more pointless question than that one... I know exactly 0 (zero) Dust514 players. flummox
Ahh, but thanks to CCP, there are many Eve players who also play . . . that other game. Do you know who they are? Have you ever heard of an infiltrator?
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flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:25:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:flummox wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:I guess it's impossible that those are the dust players of people that already know the password to your channel?
I guess it's possible that another person will come along and ask an even more pointless question than that one... I know exactly 0 (zero) Dust514 players. flummox Ahh, but thanks to CCP, there are many Eve players who also play . . . that other game. Do you know who they are? Have you ever heard of an infiltrator?
Well, I am pretty sure there is no malicious intent here. One guy even claimed "he made the channel about an hour ago". It's password locked, too. I suppose someone could guess or even "hack" the password. But, I don't think that is the case. It seems they can just enter it.
What irks me the most is they NEVER TALK (besides that one guy)... Typing on a PS3 controller must be a *****, huh?
flummox I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Sarmatiko
862
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:25:00 -
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Why Dust players have highlighted messages, but channel operators/owners do not have this? 
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Sorlac
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:27:00 -
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Silly question but needs to be asked; you did submit a bug report on this correct? |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:28:00 -
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Since creating this forum thread within the last hour or so, two different Dust514 players have entered the channel... It seems to be a very popular channel... I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:30:00 -
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Sorlac wrote:Silly question but needs to be asked; you did submit a bug report on this correct?
I suppose I will. But I wanted a more active dialogue about it. To see if other people are having the same issues. Plus, that thing in the patch notes.
flummox I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Sorlac
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:35:00 -
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flummox wrote:Sorlac wrote:Silly question but needs to be asked; you did submit a bug report on this correct? I suppose I will. But I wanted a more active dialogue about it. To see if other people are having the same issues. Plus, that thing in the patch notes. flummox
Yeah creating a thread about it isn't a bad thing especially to see if others are having the same issue, but you should always submit a bug report since it could attract the devs attention quicker. Especially with your title they might think it is just someone complaining about the DUST players being in general chat channels (not password locked ones) so may instead skip over your post in favor of what are some of the best names spotted in EVE. |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:36:00 -
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Sorlac wrote:flummox wrote:Sorlac wrote:Silly question but needs to be asked; you did submit a bug report on this correct? I suppose I will. But I wanted a more active dialogue about it. To see if other people are having the same issues. Plus, that thing in the patch notes. flummox Yeah creating a thread about it isn't a bad thing especially to see if others are having the same issue, but you should always submit a bug report since it could attract the devs attention quicker. Especially with your title they might think it is just someone complaining about the DUST players being in general chat channels (not password locked ones) so may instead skip over your post in favor of what are some of the best names spotted in EVE.
Yeah, thanks, Dad!
I AM complaining about the fact that they are able to enter a channel with a password on it... And, people who skip over the post without reading it aren't the droids I'm looking for... get it? I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:40:00 -
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flummox wrote:Sorlac wrote:Silly question but needs to be asked; you did submit a bug report on this correct? I suppose I will. But I wanted a more active dialogue about it. To see if other people are having the same issues. Plus, that thing in the patch notes. flummox
I'm trying to think of another circumstance that would allow dustbunnies in your channel, but nothing comes to mind. I also suggest a petition.
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flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:52:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:flummox wrote:Sorlac wrote:Silly question but needs to be asked; you did submit a bug report on this correct? I suppose I will. But I wanted a more active dialogue about it. To see if other people are having the same issues. Plus, that thing in the patch notes. flummox I'm trying to think of another circumstance that would allow dustbunnies in your channel, but nothing comes to mind. I also suggest a petition.
Mhm. I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Callista Jael
Black Science Navigators
0
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Posted - 2013.01.29 02:02:00 -
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flummox wrote:Sorlac wrote:flummox wrote:Sorlac wrote:Silly question but needs to be asked; you did submit a bug report on this correct? I suppose I will. But I wanted a more active dialogue about it. To see if other people are having the same issues. Plus, that thing in the patch notes. flummox Yeah creating a thread about it isn't a bad thing especially to see if others are having the same issue, but you should always submit a bug report since it could attract the devs attention quicker. Especially with your title they might think it is just someone complaining about the DUST players being in general chat channels (not password locked ones) so may instead skip over your post in favor of what are some of the best names spotted in EVE. Yeah, thanks, Dad! I AM complaining about the fact that they are able to enter a channel with a password on it... And, people who skip over the post without reading it aren't the droids I'm looking for... get it?
He's very obviously stating that your subject is inappropriately worded if you're wanting it to draw useful attention. |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
307
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Posted - 2013.01.29 04:03:00 -
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Maybe DUST is able to create a channel witht he same name as an EVE channel and the server just decides to mix you all together. So its possible all party statements are true. |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 05:40:00 -
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Callista Jael wrote:flummox wrote:Sorlac wrote:flummox wrote:Sorlac wrote:Silly question but needs to be asked; you did submit a bug report on this correct? I suppose I will. But I wanted a more active dialogue about it. To see if other people are having the same issues. Plus, that thing in the patch notes. flummox Yeah creating a thread about it isn't a bad thing especially to see if others are having the same issue, but you should always submit a bug report since it could attract the devs attention quicker. Especially with your title they might think it is just someone complaining about the DUST players being in general chat channels (not password locked ones) so may instead skip over your post in favor of what are some of the best names spotted in EVE. Yeah, thanks, Dad! I AM complaining about the fact that they are able to enter a channel with a password on it... And, people who skip over the post without reading it aren't the droids I'm looking for... get it? He's very obviously stating that your subject is inappropriately worded if you're wanting it to draw useful attention.
seems to be working as intended... I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 05:41:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Maybe DUST is able to create a channel witht he same name as an EVE channel and the server just decides to mix you all together. So its possible all party statements are true.
Well, if they "lump us all together", then it's the same channel... herpin' the derp over there! 8) Love you! I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
307
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:13:00 -
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flummox wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Maybe DUST is able to create a channel witht he same name as an EVE channel and the server just decides to mix you all together. So its possible all party statements are true. Well, if they "lump us all together", then it's the same channel... herpin' the derp over there! 8) Love you! Well it all depends on how the database is implemented. If it uses constant variable naming, then it will keep adding to it whenever it is redefined. If its instanced, then it shouldn't be occurring.
Ahah EVE uses python and it does indeed allow multiple definitions of a variable. Normally not an issue as it goes A=1 c=3 A=c A=3
But with Dust it would go A=1 A=1 c=3 c=1 A=c A=c A=3 A=1 A=1&3 So its just one of those issues you get when using 13 year old code and try to integrate modern code from a completely separate game in a different language and architecture. Sort of like making spring loaded train axles so you can transition from US to Russian rail system under the Berring Strait for an invasion force. |

Alayna Le'line
Battery Acid Skinny Dippers
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:57:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Why Dust players have highlighted messages, but channel operators/owners do not have this? 
Why do they have highlighted messages at all, if anything they should have faded out messages, because, you know the chance that what they're saying is of less interest to me than what other EVE players are saying is pretty high. |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
307
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:02:00 -
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Alayna Le'line wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Why Dust players have highlighted messages, but channel operators/owners do not have this?  Why do they have highlighted messages at all, if anything they should have faded out messages, because, you know the chance that what they're saying is of less interest to me than what other EVE players are saying is pretty high. Im sorry but what you say is of such little importance to the devs they have-in point of fact-removed your ability to appear on their displays.
Dont like it when its turned on you now? |

Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
233
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:53:00 -
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flummox wrote:Also, I would like to point out how ANNOYING it is to actually FIND the link to the patch notes on your website.
Let me google that for you
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eve+online+patch+notes |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:25:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:flummox wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Maybe DUST is able to create a channel witht he same name as an EVE channel and the server just decides to mix you all together. So its possible all party statements are true. Well, if they "lump us all together", then it's the same channel... herpin' the derp over there! 8) Love you! Well it all depends on how the database is implemented. If it uses constant variable naming, then it will keep adding to it whenever it is redefined. If its instanced, then it shouldn't be occurring. Ahah EVE uses python and it does indeed allow multiple definitions of a variable. Normally not an issue as it goes A=1 c=3 A=c A=3 But with Dust it would go A=1 A=1 c=3 c=1 A=c A=c A=3 A=1 A=1&3 So its just one of those issues you get when using 13 year old code and try to integrate modern code from a completely separate game in a different language and architecture. Sort of like making spring loaded train axles so you can transition from US to Russian rail system under the Berring Strait for an invasion force.
dude... shut up. it's the same channel. you're comments are no longer needed here. thank you. and you're dismissed.
I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:26:00 -
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Thanks. Did that. The point is shouldn't have to.
I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3440
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:04:00 -
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So basically...
1: You're not really trying to draw relevent Dev attention with this thread, you just want to complain. Otherwise you would rename the thread appropriately.
2: You don't understand that quite possibly there is a DB issue (I can make a channel in DUST with the same name as your passworded channel) and it mistakenly melds the members of those channels together. Or that CCP is aware of it but apparently their fix has failed.
3: You are more interested in seeking attention that getting the issue fixed, or you'd have turned in a bug report.
4: You've never noticed the direct link to the patch notes in the game launcher.
A classic EvE forum thread if ever there was one. Carry on!  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
308
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:11:00 -
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flummox wrote:dude... shut up. it's the same channel. you're comments are no longer needed here. thank you. and you're dismissed.
I apologize for seeking to aid you for free and thus violating the mercantilism foundation upon which EVE is founded. Please kindly go to VFK and get podded. |

Thorrahrafn
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:45:00 -
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Man, let's keep this going. I'm loving the flummox posts. :) |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3385
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Posted - 2013.01.30 06:14:00 -
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flummox wrote: Big Krispy full blown aids
GUESS which toon name I reported.
What a fine lot of people that game is attracting.   America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.30 07:29:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:So basically... 1: You're not really trying to draw relevent Dev attention with this thread, you just want to complain. Otherwise you would rename the thread appropriately. 2: You don't understand that quite possibly there is a DB issue (I can make a channel in DUST with the same name as your passworded channel) and it mistakenly melds the members of those channels together. Or that CCP is aware of it but apparently their fix has failed. 3: You are more interested in seeking attention than getting the issue fixed, or you'd have turned in a bug report. 4: You've never noticed the direct link to the patch notes in the game launcher. A classic EvE forum thread if ever there was one. Carry on! 
#1. No, I'm not. The Devs will find it. And, it wasn't JUST for the Devs. I felt it was an applicable title. I'm sorry that you do not. What do YOU suggest I change it to?
#2. I understand it quite well. This really wasn't a post designed to discuss the "why" so much as in the "this is taking place; do you have the same problems as me?". Yeah. It's obviously something wrong with the coding. Duh...
#3, report has been handed in. Has been for a while now. The thread is to open up discussion about it. Maybe see if other people are having similar issues. I see lots of posts here about "known issues" that have already been turned into bug reports/petitions.
#4. Yes, I have. But I wasn't talking about the game launcher. I was talking about the website.
Nice troll at the bottom... Shows your character. I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.30 07:32:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:flummox wrote: Big Krispy full blown aids
GUESS which toon name I reported. What a fine lot of people that game is attracting.  
Really? You're OFFENDED by that character name? EVE might not be the place for you. Actually, the Internet might not be the place for you. Maybe you should just stay inside and read children's books and/or The Bible. But even The Bible might have some sensitive stuff in there for you. Ask you parent's permission first, just to make sure.
flummox
I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.30 07:35:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:flummox wrote:dude... shut up. it's the same channel. you're comments are no longer needed here. thank you. and you're dismissed.
I apologize for seeking to aid you for free and thus violating the mercantilism foundation upon which EVE is founded. Please kindly go to VFK and get podded.
You had no intention of aiding anyone. You just were trying to look cool. It's okay. We all do it now and then. I still love you! 8)
P.S. Been to VFK many times. Actually, only ship I lost was to Heysus Sarpati in an expedition. Still have a huge stack of ammo and ships there if you ever need something. Hit me up on pinterest or foursquare!!
I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3385
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Posted - 2013.01.30 07:36:00 -
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I've been using and building computers longer than you have been alive.
There are still lines to be crossed and that name is one of them.
YOU need to grow up. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |

flummox
Lost Nomads
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Posted - 2013.01.30 07:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I've been using and building computers longer than you have been alive.
There are still lines to be crossed and that name is one of them.
YOU need to grow up.
No. No you haven't. What does your computer expertise have to do with you being over sensitive about a name? Also, I never said you needed to grow up. Time to pass that joint, yo...
I really wish everyone would stop typing it out as E v E...-á why?-á why is it lowercase?-á Is it because you think it is "everyone vs everyone"??-á Because if you do, you're just a pinhead.-á Yup.-á That's right...-á using "EvE" makes you a pinhead.-á Enjoy your 1950's American insult... |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1998

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Posted - 2013.01.30 10:16:00 -
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I have cleaned this thread of personal attacks and sniping back and forth. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
85
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Posted - 2013.01.30 10:39:00 -
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Alayna Le'line wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Why Dust players have highlighted messages, but channel operators/owners do not have this?  Why do they have highlighted messages at all, if anything they should have faded out messages, because, you know the chance that what they're saying is of less interest to me than what other EVE players are saying is pretty high.
There is a chat option to switch the Dustbunny highlight on or off - 'Highlight infantry' or some such |

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
251
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Posted - 2013.01.30 11:22:00 -
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If you want to keep dust players out of a channel make one with only two characters. Apparently they can't join anything with less than three 
*edit* that's letter characters just incase anyone gets confused, none of my friends can join the channel we use with their dust characters as it needs a minimum of three characters when trying. N7 will be dust free!  "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |

Jassmin Joy
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
60
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Posted - 2013.01.30 11:27:00 -
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Any chance it's just a player of EVE on a dust character getting people to join your channel, if he knows the password in eve it's the same in dust, and would just be a case of giving others the details? |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
311
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:25:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I have cleaned this thread of personal attacks and sniping back and forth. Out of curiosity how do you do that? Wait for some one to report? A script that matches statements and flags a thread for review? Or just something out of Clockwork Orange and 1984 being committed on some poor intern involving caffeine and enough screens to be a substantial portion of the world trade who then passes it along? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3388
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:55:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:I have cleaned this thread of personal attacks and sniping back and forth. Out of curiosity how do you do that? Wait for some one to report? A script that matches statements and flags a thread for review? Or just something out of Clockwork Orange and 1984 being committed on some poor intern involving caffeine and enough screens to be a substantial portion of the world trade who then passes it along?
See me above ^ ^ America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1963

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Posted - 2013.01.30 22:02:00 -
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I have removed some off topic posts. Please keep it on topic. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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