The introduction is awesome.

I'll be honest, I like this. I have an alt with Covert Ops V and Recon Ships V, and I may enjoy flying around unseen. He can fly all frigates and cruisers, too!

Great introduction, now if you could get Morgan Freeman to narrate.

The introduction is awesome.

My favorite part was when Seraph tried to form a Merc Coalition to fight his null sec battles. Of course, he was going to be the supreme leader.

I'm told that if we'd gone with it, we would have discovered real Unicorns.

FIX YOUR OVERVIEW SETTINGS
From: Seraph IX Basarab
Sent: 2013.05.12 00:54
To: Hades Effect, CN0te,

This is the second time we've had our allies at Five Families getting shot by our guys. FIX YOUR OVERVIEW SETTINGS. You don't need to see blues in your overview but you need to be able to see them in space.

I complained about a lot of things.

Yeah, that sums it up Quendishir. You sat in corp chat and complained about a lot of things, even when we ran cloaky operations, or felt humanely obliged to help people to PVP and enjoy the game.

Unfortunately, after spending a few months with them, that was the only thing 'awesome' about this corporation. It probably should have been a huge indication of things when a director left in my first week.

My favorite part was when Seraph tried to form a Merc Coalition to fight his null sec battles. Of course, he was going to be the supreme leader.

I'm told that if we'd gone with it, we would have discovered real Unicorns.

Considering his corp has problems with setting up a basic overview...



...this doesn't surprise me. Seraph had a lot of ideas, but never followed through. That was his problem. He lacked follow-through. He also had problems keeping the corp's chat private. He didn't have any operational security, and actively worked to undermine operations set by the members of the corporation. All the while, claiming operations were his idea, no one else's (unless, of course, they failed in which case NOT HIS IDEA!).

Two months in a corporation that espoused being a recon corporation. The majority of players didn't fly recon ships. Hell, many were training into stealth bombers. I had complained vocally about this. I complained about a lot of things. I complained about people asking for handouts. I adamantly opposed the CEO's decision that people give away ISK if they were making it. I spent days in Incursions, so why am I being forced to give away my ISK? Especially when the corp has a 10% tax rate?

I mean, I could go over my complaints I Had, but I'll leave it at this: in two months, we didn't run a single cloaky operation. Not one. It was always T1 frigates or cruisers with Condor Bar, or Bombers Bar.

What kind of a "mercenary corporation" doesn't live up to its niche?

When I joined this corporation, I was under the impression that it was a high-sec mercenary corporation with a specialty niche that was not being filled by others. Since then, I have come to understand that is not the case, and I have accepted it. In general since joining, I have had very limited participation with the corporation, not taking part in operations being run, and in general not really caring. I am a high-sec guy, who flies ships made for high-sec dueling and fights. Anyone who looks at my killboard can see the kills and losses from Dodixie and a few from Hek.

Hades Effect is a professional mercenary corp specialising in covert and black ops operations. We operate a large fleet of Black Ops ships with a bomber/recon force to boot and is able to adapt as is necessary.

I have had very limited participation with the corporation, not taking part in operations being run, and in general not really caring.

I want to see more participation from people. I am looking at our numbers, and our killboard. We have very few active pilots compared to everything else. We have 42 members in this corporation, and the same people are showing up on the top 10 on the killboard month after month. That needs to change, and right now! I am not one for requiring participation in operations, but you joined a corporation. You are expected to help it out. If you aren't, then why are you here? For a lower tax rate? I would be okay with a 50% tax rate, to be honest. Push the carebears out of here!

Either way, people need to be ready to help us with our operations. This is coming from me, I know. But I'll tell you what: last night I destroyed my HG Crystal implants. I replaced them with +4 implants, to take away the only in-game excuse I had for not working with the corporation more often. I destroyed over 2-bil in implants to show my commitment to this corporation, and I intend to show it.

What have you done to show it?

Show me the contracts for being a "merc". The only one you took you bitched out of because no one would fight you, in Syndicate. You talk about contracts, but there was never a real enforcement of any type of mercenary work.

Actually I tried to get the merc corps working together. Nobody was going to be "supreme leader" of anything. But it seems that ego and paranoia played a large part in you forming that conclusion as self evident.

Dated March 7th, 2013.

What if we could offer our services not as separate entities but as a unified mercenary coalition? What if we were contracted as a whole to attack 0.0 alliances en masse from our various vantage points crippling our target on all fronts (Hisec, Losec, W-space, 0.0)? What if we had mass media such as EveNews24 to shed light on our accomplishment and allow us to be well known? What if we had someone who can coordinate these different factors into viable campaigns where we could bring our various strengths to the table and shake up the Eve Universe like SeleeneGÇÖs Mercenary Coalition of long ago?

[...]

4. Each Alliance/corp will have a representative that I will work with planning objectives and carrying them out. Things like FCs, specific tactics and strategies, goals, logistics, will be discussed on a base by base situation together.

Tah i'm not even really sure who you are or what your personal problem happens to be on this particular day. I offered to have us work together and that i'd help coordinate some planning. Sorry if that translated into "i'm going to rule you" in your inferiority complex ego driven mind.

In any case, wasn't this like two months ago? It's cute that you'd keep the momento for so long but either ask me out to dinner or stop being a bother.

Tah i'm not even really sure who you are or what your personal problem happens to be on this particular day. I offered to have us work together and that i'd help coordinate some planning. Sorry if that translated into "i'm going to rule you" in your inferiority complex ego driven mind.

In any case, wasn't this like two months ago? It's cute that you'd keep the momento for so long but either ask me out to dinner or stop being a bother.

When I joined this corporation, I was under the impression that it was a high-sec mercenary corporation with a specialty niche that was not being filled by others. Since then, I have come to understand that is not the case, and I have accepted it. In general since joining, I have had very limited participation with the corporation, not taking part in operations being run, and in general not really caring. I am a high-sec guy, who flies ships made for high-sec dueling and fights. Anyone who looks at my killboard can see the kills and losses from Dodixie and a few from Hek.

This character was not a combat pilot for the longest time. The only reason I have a positive killboard is because of one legitimate Nyx kill from a couple of years back, and someone from Noir Academy doctoring a second Nyx kill because it self-destructed successfully. When this character was a combat pilot, he was a frigate pilot, glying assault frigates, interceptors, and T1 frigates predominantly in Caldari and Gallente militias. Needless to say, I am familiar with the area around the Caldari/Gallente warzone. I know the pirates. I know their tricks.

For over a year, though, I have let this character act as my neutral eyes and prober in war decs. He has been a logistics pilot as well--he has Logistics 5, after all. That has changed since joining Hades Effect, and while I may not have the most kills, I have worked to improve combat doctrine and fits, and see the limits that people have when it comes to fighting.

As I said, I have not been the most active person around when it comes to corp participation. I can make upall the excuses I want: null sec worries me, I've been taking care of classes and moving IRL, etc. But at the end of the day I have to accept that I have not been active, and nothing can change that. Over the past two evenings, I have been flying with Condor Bar and the corporation, getting kills in low sec. I have provided a niche role in my interceptor, having provided stable points against people that threatened to get away. I have enjoyed it immensely. That is what EvE is about: finding fights, not sitting on an undock and waiting for someone to blink yellow or red.

Many of you I do see in high sec. You fly around in artillery ships, or beam laser ships, or railguns looking to pop people who go suspect. You are risk adverse. You are a carebear, and I have said that since Day 1. I have no respect for you because you are a coward if you do this. When you do nothing else, I have to fight the very real urge to blow your ship up and pod you, because I HATE seeing people with my corp tag acting like carebears. I join PvP corporations. Make all the excuses you want that you are engaging in PvP, but we all know that when someone looks at you the wrong way, you're burning away and warping off. You are a coward, end of dicussion.

If that offended you, I don't care. That's off my chest. We'll get dec'd eventually if you keep this up, and we all know you'll drop corporation when we do.

I want to see more participation from people. I am looking at our numbers, and our killboard. We have very few active pilots compared to everything else. We have 42 members in this corporation, and the same people are showing up on the top 10 on the killboard month after month. That needs to change, and right now! I am not one for requiring participation in operations, but you joined a corporation. You are expected to help it out. If you aren't, then why are you here? For a lower tax rate? I would be okay with a 50% tax rate, to be honest. Push the carebears out of here!

Either way, people need to be ready to help us with our operations. This is coming from me, I know. But I'll tell you what: last night I destroyed my HG Crystal implants. I replaced them with +4 implants, to take away the only in-game excuse I had for not working with the corporation more often. I destroyed over 2-bil in implants to show my commitment to this corporation, and I intend to show it.

What have you done to show it?

Stop...
From: Seraph IX Basarab
Sent: 2013.04.22 03:04
To: Hades Effect,

...antagonizing one another. You aren't in comptetition against your corpmates. The competition is against external enemies. You should help each other grow in a positive manner. Why pick at one another's weaknesses when those weaknesses are all over ours shared? The immature **** stops right here.

I'll be honest with everyone right here. For a bit I may be able to log on only once every two, three or even four or so days. If you choose to act disrespectful toward your corpmates, Ezek has my full blessing to swing hard. He never injected the patience skill book and I don't think he's interested in starting either.

This is our code of ethics to be followed on pain of being booted. If that's an issue with you, I respectfully ask that you not waste our or your time. Still being a very small corp we need individuals of quality much more than any quantity.

Local
- No smacktalking in local
- Be respectful, you may talk but do so constructively
- While on contract, observe radio silence in local

Operational Security (OPSEC)
- Never discuss corporation level operations with anyone else not cleared to assist and come with us
- Never discuss contract specifics with anyone
- Dont hand out our teamspeak server details

Ransoms
- Honour your ransoms
- Ransom money must be paid by the victim in ONE transaction. If the ransom money is not paid in full, you are authorised to fire
- If the victim is killed by one of your fleet after ransom has been paid you must pay the blood money back to the victim IN FULL

Communications
- Be in the River Styx Pub to assist anyone coming in for contracts or recruitment
- Do not discuss operations in the River Styx Pub
- Alts are to be in the Shiez Kuzak channel
- Be on our Hades Effect teamspeak server at least in Semi-AFK so you can be poked

Killboard
- ON contract you must observe excellent ISK efficiency and stringent doctrine fits. Be aggressive, be adventurous but don't do anything stupid. Do what works.
- OFF contract you may experiment and goof around but nothing stupid silly please...
- KILLS COME BEFORE ISK MAKING
- If a brother cannot be PVP because ISK is getting in the way, you will help him. No one in this corp will be disadvantaged because of ISK concerns.

- Corporation level operations come before everything else in EVE.

Re: Stop...
From: Quendishir
Sent: 2013.04.22 18:35
To: Hades Effect, Seraph IX Basarab,

If people are having ISK problems, they should probably use their free time to make some freaking ISK. It's not hard. I've been running Incursions the past few days and walked away with over a billion ISK. It's easy freaking money, and it's not hard to figure out what to do. Join an Incursion group, get into fleets. Prove yourself. Do not expect handouts because we wear the same corporation tag. I am not buying you a fully-fit bomber because you don't want to do misisons or something. You have ways to make ISK aplenty, use them.

YOU MUST BE ISK SUFFICIENT. You cannot join a PvP corporation and not be!

Who can't people that do the same thing ever get along?

But lets not bemoan a corp ability on the very threat they use to get contracts. People will pay whoever they want based on past performances and KB stats.

Let them decide, and lets not bring drama into these threads.

I had no problems with these rules, except one. Aside form PvPing in Dodixie, I also ran Incursions. I had Balthazar ask me for ISK at least twice in private, and I refused. I don't hand out ISK except to my friends (I remember one year I bought ten people in my corporation pirate battleship hulls with Tech 2 rigs). When this came out, it was a not-so-subtle jab at those of us making ISK to support our PvP habits. People were being lazy, and they needed handouts. I wasn't giving them. In fact, the corp taxes were raised specifically to gather the money I was making (it was raised to 10%) because I wouldn't hand it out freely.

To make sure that we are on the same page, and to make sure that people are aware of the entirety of the e-mail (because we all want transparency!), I am offering the following since Balth conveniently snipped portions that didn't help him:

Marines hate officers like Seraph, because they get men killed. They are unimaginative. They are linear in thinking. They are, simply put, ineffective.

The Damnation I offered to the corp, free of charge for their PvP was destroyed by the corp, simply because I hurt their feelings. I voiced my concerns and bitched them out for their thinking. I bitched them out for, simply put, being a lie. I met the response head-on. I lost a ship that cost me pennies, but I made the point far better than I expected.

>runs out of popcorn
>gets more popcorn
>
>munchmunchmunchmunchmunch

I keep your manifesto eve-mail because it is adorable. It is also the only reason I've ever paid attention to you, because it painted a big "please talk to me because I'm good for drama" sign on your back.

Also, let's go to Olive Garden, I hear they have cheap wine. Culo can come too.

To make sure that we are on the same page, and to make sure that people are aware of the entirety of the e-mail (because we all want transparency!), I am offering the following since Balth conveniently snipped portions that didn't help him:

...

People took offense to this. How dare this upstart come in and tell me I haven't done anything? It was true, all of it. Seraph even admitted as much in his response. Hell, two members even left because of a lack of corp participation, and one was a director (who was supposed to be coming back "in a month" according to Seraph....two months ago). As I said, Seraph agreed that it was, and after corp-wide e-mails from certain high-sec bads sitting in arty ships shooting suspects he finally had to respond in a mail to shut them up. Posting that next post.

There were no mercenary contracts. Oh, there was talk of them happening, but at the end of the day, everyone else moved to Bei for some operation that was hinted at but never materialized. Now they're setting up to "take Molden Heath", which won't happen. No one has the balls to lead a fleet, and anyone who actually attempts a bit of initiative has their balls stepped on by Seraph and his need to micromanage everything.

Marines hate officers like Seraph, because they get men killed. They are unimaginative. They are linear in thinking. They are, simply put, ineffective.

I had no problems with these rules, except one. Aside form PvPing in Dodixie, I also ran Incursions. I had Balthazar ask me for ISK at least twice in private, and I refused. I don't hand out ISK except to my friends (I remember one year I bought ten people in my corporation pirate battleship hulls with Tech 2 rigs). When this came out, it was a not-so-subtle jab at those of us making ISK to support our PvP habits. People were being lazy, and they needed handouts. I wasn't giving them. In fact, the corp taxes were raised specifically to gather the money I was making (it was raised to 10%) because I wouldn't hand it out freely. My response was as follows:

This was th straw that broke the proverbial camel's back. I don't hand out ISK and should not be expected to. Some communist manifesto expecting me to wasn't going to fly. When I was kicked yesterday, it was for bitching about how the corp didn't live up to it's namesake (and yes, I have the damn chat logs saved). It was for telling it like it is. In return for voicing my concerns (something that Serpah said we should feel comfortable in doing), I received this:

The Damnation I offered to the corp, free of charge for their PvP was destroyed by the corp, simply because I hurt their feelings. I voiced my concerns and bitched them out for their thinking. I bitched them out for, simply put, being a lie. I met the response head-on. I lost a ship that cost me pennies, but I made the point far better than I expected.

Pass me some? My posts seem irrelevant now.

I believe in quality intelligence. If people want to hire you, they should know about the bad as well as the good. If I'm wrong, please, provide evidence rather than anecdotes.

I think the fact that you've been proven to be a consistent liar, the killboard and testimony even from Ezek which you assumed for some reason, would side with your rant, qualifies as proof.

"We can't provide any, so we'll say you're ranting and butthurt and say that's proof!"

Provide proof, not anecdotes, once again. Also, please link to battle reports in which this corporation was in a pure corporation BLOPS/Recon fleet. Because I see plenty of losses of recons in systems such as Dodixie. No kills, though.

You're the one making childish claims about us not doing anything. I showed your killboard and where you were active...mostly Dodixie and numerous stupid losses. I think you're simply irrational and you do not even comprehend simple concepts of logic.

Okay, let's look at the killboard then.

Let's fly a Pilgrim!

Another hajj inbound!

Let's try something different and use a Rapier!

In fact,I can find no killmails outside of the Damnation you AWOX'd where your corp lives up to it's claims and flies Black Ops or Recons. Stealth Bombers seem to be your thing, and even then only when the rest of your corporation is flying with Bombers Bar, considering you have been banned from the group.

Tell me, what kind of "covert operations specialty CEO" gets banned from a group that is doing what he claims his corp does? And why is it Bombers Bar, a ragtag group of misfits, has better coordination than your special group?

Now I'll admit, I went through the killmails for this month only. No Hades Effect groups where it's what they said they do. No recon fleets. Stealth Bombers mainly, maybe a Rapier or Arazu. But overall, not impressed. No one should be.

And i don't think you get to talk about killboard stats of the person when you haven't been on your own corp's Top 10 list since March, in a corporation with less than 40% activity. Now, make sure your group takes out a recon roam and kills something later so you can post it and say, "SEE?! WE DO IT YOU COMPLETELY LIED!". And make sure you tell someone else (or have someone else post for you!) who has been active to talk **** about killboard stats.

Proof. I see none.

Quen...there's no such thing as a "recon fleet" because the concept is stupid. A cov ops fleet is composed mainly of bombers with recon SUPPORT. Nobody takes out a fleet of Arazus or Falcons because it isn't tactically viable. So yes Stealth bombers are our thing. Learning to read would perhaps help in your confusion as that's kind of the stated purpose of the corp. Perhaps spending a few months outside of Dodi would help you.

The proof is that you make claims about people such as Ezek, and then he denies anything you claimed that he had said. Then you make claims that people were begging you for money...no proof. Then I showed your killboard and the level of your contribution, and it was measly.

So it seems that anything not involving Dodi camping and whining is out of your comprehensive grasp. All you have is erratic claims and glamorous shows of ignorance.

Edit: Also no one AWOXed you. You refused to leave corp so we removed you forcefully.

Funny, because in a corp-wide mail, you actively praised me for sacrificing and supporting the corporation to the extent I have.

Take from a Teamspeak recording:

Quendishir: This really is bullshit. I had that plan worked out, I posted it, and it gets **** on by Seraph because he feels he has to prove himself to BB.

Balthazar: It wasn't much of a plan. I mean, "No Falcons" isn't much of a fleet composition. And you specifically wanted us not to use Battleships. That's just...

Quendishir: It was a rough draft of a plan, nothing more. I even said as much in the post! So Seraph ****** us out of kills because he has to command, not lead...

Asian: To be fair, I don't think it was going to work to begin with. They have eyes [in Villore]...

Quendishir: There's more than one way into Old Man Star.

Ezek Price: I hear what you're saying about OpSec, Quen. It was stupid of him to jump the gun like this, and he made the majority of the fleet Condor Bar members. I honestly don't know what to say. This is bad if it's going to be like this. You may be blowing this out of proportion, but I'll admit this is something that needs to be addressed. I'll talk to him.

Quendishir: Well, at least someone's paying attention.

Ezek Price: I'm a para, I know about OpSec.

Quendishir: Semper Fi, brother.

You say you don't do recon fleets at all, and I understand that a pure Recon fleet is silly to expect. At the same time, how many times were Black Ops ships used? Never. Not once, and I was there for every fleet, getting ready. Never once were we cyno'd in. We got blue balled, or people just started filtering out one at a time. In short, it made sense to stay in Dodixie until we got things set up.

There was no organization. There was nothing. You'll also note that I never said "recon fleet". I said Black Ops fleets. In Bombers Bar, your own corporation wasn't providing the recons: they came from other corporations. So much for that "niche role", eh?

I mean, a Pilgrim dying to a Proteus. That is incredible. Tell Escort to go back to staying on the undock. Thanks.

EDIT: And Balth, I'm not ignoring you. To "prove" it would require me to post chat logs, which are forbidden on the forums.

You should read the Forum rules page. If you can read. Doesn't mention chat logs anywhere.

http://hades.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17084208

Successful Hot Drop. I notice you aren't on the killmail either..

33. Posting of chat logs outside the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.

The posting of chat logs between player parties is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel where they can be posted as part of stories in the Pirate Story Thread.
Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel.

But stop avoiding the question Quen, what did you contribute? Where were you? Let's say you are right about every little fantasy you have in that head of yours, where were you? Dodi, and a couple roams in low sec with Condor Bar. Anywhere else?

If there had been roams and operations, I would have been there. I specifically remember being in a Falcon for you guys in Syndicate during your first (and only) contract. A contract, I will add, in which you claimed "we've brokered a deal between our contractor and our targets and they are now blue". In reality, there was nothing that happened. You were blueballed and you didn't like it, so you called it quits.

I keep your manifesto eve-mail because it is adorable. It is also the only reason I've ever paid attention to you, because it painted a big "please talk to me because I'm good for drama" sign on your back.

I wouldn't be welcomed back? :'(

not after that recording lol

Btw that dude that got kicked out/had the damnation killed was also in NA a couple years ago and was kicked out for exactly the same reason Seraph was. In case you wanted to roll the irony around in your mouth like a fine wine.

Blarg

As for why I didn't take out my own roams: I tried. They were co-opted by you, Seraph. You tend to do that when you get on: co-opt a roam and claim it as your own. You flaunt the fact you're CEO and everybody bet get behind you on that. I don't march to your drum, bud. Never have. You need to prove yourself, and quite frankly you never did.

tl;dr: The guy who started bombers bar is now banned from bombers bar. 'Nuff said. .

I rarely post if at all on EVE-O forums but I felt like this deserved some clarification.

Seraph did not start bombers bar at all. Vengance inc. and Templeman N started Bombers Bar. He was an early member to the bar, who also thought he contributed more to the bar than he actually did. He only contributed to the bar when it furthered his own goals in game. This attitude is not what Bombers Bar is about, as we are mainly about having fun and providing an experience for bomber pilots. He was banned from Bombers Bar for many reasons though the main reason is because his presence was impacting the bar in a negative way.


-Anna
Senior FC Bombers Bar

Concerning the matter of bombers bar, I am flattered you think I started it but I did not. I was a humble contributor last year and withdrew from participating with the group more and more due to class work. As for the rest, I don't think you have the perspective to speak credibly.

I rarely post if at all on EVE-O forums but I felt like this deserved some clarification.

Seraph did not start bombers bar at all. Vengance inc. and Templeman N started Bombers Bar. He was an early member to the bar, who also thought he contributed more to the bar than he actually did. He only contributed to the bar when it furthered his own goals in game. This attitude is not what Bombers Bar is about, as we are mainly about having fun and providing an experience for bomber pilots. He was banned from Bombers Bar for many reasons though the main reason is because his presence was impacting the bar in a negative way.

Edit:
Personal note Ninjaturtle your post made laugh so hard. I tip my hat to you.

-Anna
Senior FC Bombers Bar

I think I contributed enough behind the scenes

May I ask what exactly do you feel you contributed to the bar? Other then taking one contract then leaving and trying to get Venga corp mates to follow you.

-Taltin
Bombers Bar Council member

'Nuff Said.

May I ask what exactly do you feel you contributed to the bar? Other then taking one contract then leaving and trying to get Venga corp mates to follow you.

-Taltin
Bombers Bar Council member

Wow jeff. Really? For leaving your corp? Yea...i'm clearly taking this game too seriously. Clearly you're the reasonable party here.

I would just like to say as a former diplomat of various Wormhole groups, I have worked pretty closely with Seraph over the past few months and during his time as diplo of bombers bar he helped me work out multiple wspace operations with bombers, something mostly unprecedented. These operations, lead and organized by Seraph, gained him much respect in the wormhole community, and I would be more then willing to vouch for his reputation and the work he did for the bar.

I would just like to say as a former diplomat of various Wormhole groups, I have worked pretty closely with Seraph over the past few months and during his time as diplo of bombers bar he helped me work out multiple wspace operations with bombers, something mostly unprecedented. These operations, lead and organized by Seraph, gained him much respect in the wormhole community, and I would be more then willing to vouch for his reputation and the work he did for the bar.

Ah what can I say ? No one gets my humor but me lol , dont take it seriouslty

The way the bar is ran and always will be ran is through intel, we do not need blues, we did not have any blues, so having a diplo was always pointless, we NEVER had a dipo,.... now he did run contracts, but one of those contracts, he did not even do.. he is taking credit for something he did not do

And there were two major contracts. One in Tribute...which was fulfilled as was the Querious one. I don't remember, were you active there vs NCdot renters or Li3?

Actually better question were you there for Li3 ? I actually participated at a minimal level of course. I was going to get more involved but Jayne did a phenomenal job FCing and got the job done in under 7 days. I was moving assets to assist him but he never needed it. I

This thread is pointless. I clarified bombers bar stance on that you didn't assist the bar on anything meaningful and lasting my job is done.

7o fly dangerous all!

-AnnA

Seraph did not start bombers bar at all. Vengance inc. and Templeman N started Bombers Bar. He was an early member to the bar, who also thought he contributed more to the bar than he actually did. He only contributed to the bar when it furthered his own goals in game. This attitude is not what Bombers Bar is about, as we are mainly about having fun and providing an experience for bomber pilots. He was banned from Bombers Bar for many reasons though the main reason is because his presence was impacting the bar in a negative way.

Thank you, I greatly appreciate the clarification.
We've laid out facts and had our say.
On a personal note, I hope you do keep trying to snipe members cause I would love to see you banned from merc contracts too.
in before the lock

What had transpired was that Ezek contacted NA applicants that had been rejected or ignored. The two cases that Alek brought to me personally, I think a much more classy thing to do than this with all do respect, were contacted in January and they became members of NA several months after the fact. So I have to ask the question, if we ask someone to join Hades Effect, and 3 months later they join NA, does that count as an attempt at poaching as you call it? I would say this is an unreasonable standard.

On the term "ex noir", I think about three years ago after I had been playing for a month or two I asked Alek if I could join NA even though I could only fly T1 frigs. He said that I was and that it would be no problem...until it was which for some reason happened. I was "kicked" out of NA after I had failed to post a Tristan (IIRC) loss mail. I wasn't familiar with the system. I was allowed back in but decided to part with NA after I had real life matters to attend to. So no, nobody actually kicked me. I had a 1 on 1 conversation with Alek where we left on good terms and I was offered a chance to re-apply when I had returned.

I don't exactly require the association

1. That's not the case, Ezek was camping the section of our forums where recruits put applications and trying to ninja them off there because he "saw they had interest in mercenary work." Very cheeky, and this would be about the 5th different story you've concocted to try to explain yourselves.

2. That may have been the case for your first boot, but the second one was for attitude problems. Not RL, you had no conversation with me, Nidia Masters handled NA. at that time and left rather unflattering notes about your conduct. You have never been welcome back into our organization Noir. will you ever be shy of some kind of spergectomy

2. What attitude problem? I don't even remember speaking much with anyone at all.

What attitude problem?

i cant *imagine*

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no sir, you want something to throw another wall of text against.

if you need proof man, just read up. don't tweet poe, there's no tinfoil to be had here. Multiple sources wouldn't waste their time like this if it wasn't important.

We don't even care about competition dude, to be honest there's more than enough for everyone. what we care about are people not being sperglords and thinking they can bust the rules whenever they want cause you're in charge. you wanna have that cute litte merc tag next to your thread title, ******* act like one

You mean you don't like to have reasonable discourse because it does not fit your narrative right? I don't blame you.

I'm really sorry you feel the way that you do. But if you want to continue thinking we had some ill intent toward Noir, by all means.

You say I am lying, as does your corporation. People would have believed it.

Leading members of Bombers Bar come in and say you have been banned for similar issues. You say they are lying.

Members of Noir., a highly-respected mercenary corporation--probably the most respected mercenary alliance in the game--come in and say what I have been saying. You call them liars.

I'm not exactly sure how everyone can be lying about you, Seraph. Especially when we provide some proof and you just say, "Nuh uh!"

Anna is upset because I didn't care if our defensive wardec stopped him from his carebearing so he's taking his frustration out the only way he can, on a forum.

Concerning the matter of bombers bar, I am flattered you think I started it but I did not. I was a humble contributor last year and withdrew from participating with the group more and more due to class work. As for the rest, I don't think you have the perspective to speak credibly.

this image is the only reply, Cause -3 sec status helps war decs.

Ohh you mean when you were stripped of all Powers and banned, Cam back on TS when nobody wanted you there, Then you try to tell Temp off and then "User was banned from the server" In that ohh so sexy TS voice.

You then go on to threaten to have HAD3S to bomb BB.

Your a sad little man and everybody is agreed with this fact.

Edit: Oh almost forgot...post with your main. What are you afraid of?

In any case, Noir, Renegade and breaking wishes being upset with me isn't exactly the most terrible thing.

I mean really, some of you guys are taking this game way too seriously.

Well if you're going to be falsely accused you might as well attempt the deed and make it a truth, no?

Well if you're going to be falsely accused you might as well attempt the deed and make it a truth, no?

No, you incompetent moron. If you are TRULY innocent, you maintain it and go on your way.

You know, the usual, man up and accept your mistakes, not try to cover them up like some puberty-encrusted adolescent.

There really wasn't a mistake in that situation. I got accused or trying to do something I had no intention doing. So if you're going to **** on me for no reason, might as well be a reason. And in the end what is wrong with pvp?