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CaptainTr1cky
FATAL Warfare
Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:09:00 -
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Does such a thing really exist ? :)
i mean the true question in here is for the fw peeps is ... say ur cruising around systems looking for a target , u see a novice/small or even a medium opened by a wt in a frig , be it t1 , t2 or faction/pirate frig .. and u are in X ship , Whats the frig that would get u the most interested in chasing after ?
Whats that 1 ship that when u see it u immediatly know that he is gonna pop the second u scram/point him ?
Also curious what ship would u use to counter x frigate of your desire ?
I'd answer to this question myself but to be honest i couldnt cause i haven't found that 1 particular ship i'm interested in since most often people run away .
excuse my bad grammar if u spot it
cheers o/ |
Derek Wiildstar
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:24:00 -
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Assuming you can web and catch them: Condors. |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:42:00 -
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A Rifter.
Unless they are using my special Rifter fit. But only idiots fly that one |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
420
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:51:00 -
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going to have to say, the rifter is a contender for the worst frigate
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Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration
Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:11:00 -
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1.) TORMENTOR!
2.) KESTREL (yeah Ytterbium did it...... no other words needed)
3.) Punisher |
Andracin
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
45
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:11:00 -
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The worst frigate is the one you have no idea how to fly but it was so awesome in the last youtube video you watched. Rifter is not the king of beasts that it once was but it can still kill people. I've even seen ventures turned into pvp ships...sometimes you have to realize that it is not the ship that sucks so much as the guy flying it... |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:28:00 -
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ibis
And the Condor and frigate are pretty good for t1 tackle. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
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Posted - 2013.01.29 12:30:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:1.) TORMENTOR!
2.) KESTREL (yeah Ytterbium did it...... no other words needed)
3.) Punisher
The Tormentor is one of the best scram-range kiters out there. You're doing it wrong.
My vote for worst: Rifter. I won't think twice of taking two on at the same time. |
SetSail ForEpicFail
Coquilles
Scandinavian dirtbags
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:18:00 -
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Venture  |
Human Cola
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:45:00 -
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Heron obviously. |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration
Hopeless Addiction
52
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:03:00 -
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Quote:The Tormentor is one of the best scram-range kiters out there. You're doing it wrong.
My vote for worst: Rifter. I won't think twice of taking two on at the same time.
I thought the best scramrange kiter is the Tristan?
Don-¦t agree with the rifter as worst ship. Main problem is that often bad pilots fly it.
But for example Dagren Darius has proved that it can be a good viable brawler.
Kestrel on the other hand..... okay a rookie ship can do more :P |
sten mattson
1st Praetorian Guard
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:28:00 -
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i'd say all frigates are good, especially the tormentor and executioner
but if i absolutely have to state frigates that i wouldnt be afraid to shoot , it would be a rifter and the punisher unfortunately
rifter , because he's a jack of all trades , but master of none
and the punisher , because he might have decent damage and tank , but he has no way of applying that damage , just a frigate orbiting at 500 and he has trouble tracking, also if the fight goes for too long , the cap fails (about one minute) despite the use of a NOS
IMMA FIRING MA LAZAR!!! |
Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.01.29 18:08:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:1.) TORMENTOR!
2.) KESTREL (yeah Ytterbium did it...... no other words needed)
3.) Punisher
wut.
tormentor is friggin sick.
THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1126
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Posted - 2013.01.29 18:30:00 -
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Andracin wrote:sometimes you have to realize that it is not the ship that sucks so much as the guy flying it...
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
2865
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:00:00 -
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I'd say I'd be most interested in chasing down things that are commonly AB brawlers and least interested in chasing down Daredevils and Dramiels.
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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:07:00 -
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SetSail ForEpicFail wrote:Venture
Our two ventures killed an ac thrasher the other day...just sayin 
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Xuixien
Amarrian Vengeance
24eme Legion Etrangere
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:11:00 -
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The Rifter is now the worst frigate, by proxy of everything else being made better than it with the re-balancing.
Everyone vs Everyone
Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.01.29 19:18:00 -
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I find your lack of faith in Noobships disturbing.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
511
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:26:00 -
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Worst - Punisher
Would be worst but doesn't have a ******** design that leaves it with two mids - Rifter
I don't think the Tristan/tormentor are very good either but you can sort of make them work
And while my corpmate is right about the pilot/fit being more important than the ship
A great pilot in a rifter will lose to a great pilot in an incursus 99/100 |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
406
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:36:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:The Rifter is now the worst frigate, by proxy of everything else being made better than it with the re-balancing.
It's funny how CCP always does this. They manage to take ships that actually work well and nerf bat them into the ground while improving all it's contenders. This will be the same story with the Drake & the Hurricane in the near future. |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
Iron Oxide.
78
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:19:00 -
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Any frigate that doesn't have TDs fitted.
Or if you use missiles. Missiles are pretty lame.
Turning up to a fleet in a missile frigate is like cuddling up with your favourite potato and then all your friends see you and take photos and upload them to instagram.
You can't deny that it happened and it's pretty humiliating and you have this weird rash between your fingers... |
Andracin
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
49
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:52:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Xuixien wrote:The Rifter is now the worst frigate, by proxy of everything else being made better than it with the re-balancing. It's funny how CCP always does this. They manage to take ships that actually work well and nerf bat them into the ground while improving all it's contenders. This will be the same story with the Drake & the Hurricane in the near future. The funny part is they didn't nerf the rifter...they left it alone because pre-tiericide it was already good...then they made other frigates awesome so by comparison good isn't good anymore.
Now the next question when picking best/worst frigates is : what are you doing with it? 1v1 you need to be more careful about what your fighting and what your flying. If you take a brawler punisher against a fast kitey ship like a slasher...you are probably going to die even if it takes awhile unless the kiter just sucks. Like I said before alot of it just comes down to understanding your ship and how to fly it. If you think hitting auto-orbit and over heating is the i-win either you don't fly frigs much or you just get lucky. In gangs hull type decreases in importance compared to target selection and dps application in my experience. The last couple times I was out with 3-4 corp mates and we got in a tussel with a similar sized or larger gang they all shot something diffrent or all got greedy and shot at the faction frigate which they had no hope of hitting. IMO you can still fly sub-par-post-tiericide frigs with good fits in gangs and still be successful. And its not the end of the road for balancing...CCP already said in another post that they are going to re-look at ships after they complete tiericide to fix thing they broke unintentionally. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2013.01.30 06:49:00 -
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Andracin wrote:Mutnin wrote:Xuixien wrote:The Rifter is now the worst frigate, by proxy of everything else being made better than it with the re-balancing. It's funny how CCP always does this. They manage to take ships that actually work well and nerf bat them into the ground while improving all it's contenders. This will be the same story with the Drake & the Hurricane in the near future. The funny part is they didn't nerf the rifter...they left it alone because pre-tiericide it was already good...then they made other frigates awesome so by comparison good isn't good anymore. Now the next question when picking best/worst frigates is : what are you doing with it? 1v1 you need to be more careful about what your fighting and what your flying. If you take a brawler punisher against a fast kitey ship like a slasher...you are probably going to die even if it takes awhile unless the kiter just sucks. Like I said before alot of it just comes down to understanding your ship and how to fly it. If you think hitting auto-orbit and over heating is the i-win either you don't fly frigs much or you just get lucky. In gangs hull type decreases in importance compared to target selection and dps application in my experience. The last couple times I was out with 3-4 corp mates and we got in a tussel with a similar sized or larger gang the opposition all shot something diffrent or all got greedy and shot at the faction frigate which they had no hope of hitting. IMO you can still fly sub-par-post-tiericide frigs with good fits in gangs and still be successful. And its not the end of the road for balancing...CCP already said in another post that they are going to re-look at ships after they complete tiericide to fix thing they broke unintentionally.
Yes that's what I'm talking about.. It was very easy to see that the Rifter despite being good in the past was going to be way out classed by all it's new counter part yet CCP decided to do nothing with it.
On the contrary, they are doing much worse to the Drake and Cane as they have actually nerfed them prior to improving all the others. Meaning they will probably be much much worse in comparison to the Rifter today. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
514
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Posted - 2013.01.30 08:38:00 -
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I don't really see how ccp didn't see this coming with the rifter
It has ****** dps and ****** tank. Sure there are ships with a worse tank like the slasher but they have 4 mids and can TD tank.
Rifter needs a complete revamp to be viable imo. Mainly because minmatar doesn't need a 3'rd scram kite frigate =/ |
Andracin
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
52
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Posted - 2013.01.30 09:33:00 -
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I don't see how CCP manages to not see half the disasters assosiated with their nerfs and balances coming...
That being said Im not going to argue that the rifter has gone from the best to the worst frig in the game in one patch. It has the same 5% to damage and 7.5% to tracking as the slasher but w/o the slasher speed (which is fine IMO because its supposed to be a brawling combat frig). Maybe if they gave it the ability to add a 4th turret or buffing the turret damage % to that equivilant. There are options for it but yeah...for now it is not the same awesome sauce ship I flew years ago... |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
511
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:23:00 -
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Echelon?
Rifter was top dog for years, and then CCP boosted it further with the 2009 ammo and AC changes. If now it's its turn to sit at the bottom for half a decade, then it deserves it. |
Hidden Snake
Hidden Squid Society
252
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:54:00 -
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peoeple saying anything except rifter are doing it wrong (actually rifter can be ok fited too). BTW killed comet in the heron (so even herons can be deadly) and ventures are little bitches ;).
btw this fit is not perfect and is slow, but has full tackle,decent tracking 6,5-7k ehp 118dps and buffer from hell.
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[Rifter, derp]
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
+ the venture to kill any idiot who comes to scram range ... 80 to 100 dps.
[Venture, Venture fit]
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
'Abandon' Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
517
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:57:00 -
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Andracin wrote:I don't see how CCP manages to not see half the disasters assosiated with their nerfs and balances coming...
That being said Im not going to argue that the rifter has gone from the best to the worst frig in the game in one patch. It has the same 5% to damage and 7.5% to tracking as the slasher but w/o the slasher speed (which is fine IMO because its supposed to be a brawling combat frig). Maybe if they gave it the ability to add a 4th turret or buffing the turret damage % to that equivilant. There are options for it but yeah...for now it is not the same awesome sauce ship I flew years ago...
I would sorta like it if they designed either the rifter or the slasher to use Arties..
Because arties are manly at it makes me sad how bad they are on frigs. |
Hidden Snake
Hidden Squid Society
252
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Posted - 2013.01.30 13:02:00 -
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and if u wanna go adventurous 120-130 dps, 2,7k ehp .... good is that you allways can bail due to +2 warp stability
[Venture, Venture fit]
400mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
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CaptainTr1cky
FATAL Warfare
Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.31 06:08:00 -
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As far as I can see the rifter gets top vote but as most Fw peeps already know its only good beeing stabbed and afk plexing....then again most frigs are good like that |
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