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Eyeris
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Posted - 2003.07.14 14:53:00 -
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Anyone here been in the newbie system of Todaki (Lonetrek) recently? As far as I could tell last night there was only Veldspar left in the asteroid belts. I know newbies can jump out to other systems but for those unfortunate enough to join the game now and start in that system, they have nowhere to really go mining. That seems strange to me... is this happening in other newbie systems around the galaxy? Is this what CCP intended to happen, especially if new players aren't joining at a fast enough rate to respawn the asteroids? Anyone have some thoughts or comments on this? |
Grand Negus
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Posted - 2003.07.14 15:09:00 -
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Whats wrong with mining veld? According to the math it should give you the least amount of money for your time....however due to so many people mining the higher end ores and selling on the market the market gets flooded. So after some experimentation I discovered that I actually make more per hour mining veld and scordite then mining plag and pyro! Granted this fluctuates all the time and with the roid nerfs it will likly get entirly screwed ;)
Here's my take on cargo can theft.
"Let me attack the dang miner who is stealing ore from my asteroids! Thier mine I tell ya! Mine! I just havnt gotten around to taking them back to base yet!"
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.07.14 15:11:00 -
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Didn't someone say it's a bug that prevents roid respawns?
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Blood Silver
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Posted - 2003.07.14 15:14:00 -
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try amarr noob sysem not 1 single roid to share :) |
Eyeris
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Posted - 2003.07.14 15:14:00 -
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Ahh... I didn't mean to bash veldspar. I used to be a full-time miner and I mined near a lot of veldspar. I don't have anything against it!
I should have added that in these asteroid belts (of which there are several in Todaki, perhaps 10 or so?), there appear to be 7-10 asteroids of veldspar each. Maybe more. But even still, why should newbies be subject to only veldspar? What will they do when the veldspar has finally been sucked into the last Badger Mark II cargo hold? I can understand other asteroid belts being mined out, but in a newbie system? That's gotta hurt. |
Eyeris
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Posted - 2003.07.14 15:17:00 -
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Ahh so it is a bug... hadn't heard that. Well that is comforting in a way, for if it is recognized as a bug and not just "the way of things" then perhaps it will be fixed and newbies will have something to do other than sit in the station! |
Ruby LeFonte
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Posted - 2003.07.14 21:10:00 -
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It might be a bug... it's most definitely player attitude. Lot's of old-timers and strip-miners happily mining away in the newbie areas 'cause it's just soooo easy for them to point the Indy at a rock and mine it.
Sorry, just find it lame that people who played for weeks (or months) feel the need to mine in newbie space and clear it of roids.
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MindBender
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Posted - 2003.07.14 21:16:00 -
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The reason so many larger corps strip mine the noob sectors is simple logistics. Transporting the amount of low end minerals necessary to build large ships is just not economical. Therefore most haul the high end minerals to their factories in high sec space (where it is easier to sell ships) then strip mine the roid fields ther for the needed low end minerals. The strip mining operations coexisted with the noobs just fine till the problem with the roid spawns. As for bug/nerf CCP has yet to answer us on which it is.
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Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.07.14 22:14:00 -
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MindBender, it be a bug. And as for your argument about corps being able to strip mine I agree completely. Besides... who said space was friendly?
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.15 13:16:00 -
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"It might be a bug... it's most definitely player attitude. Lot's of old-timers and strip-miners happily mining away in the newbie areas 'cause it's just soooo easy for them to point the Indy at a rock and mine it.
Sorry, just find it lame that people who played for weeks (or months) feel the need to mine in newbie space and clear it of roids."
This wouldn't be a problem if not for the respawn bug.
Before the respawn bug, I saw 1-2 or more indies at every belt in Amarr (The system, not the soverignty in general). Despite this, there were plenty of roids to go around.
But since the respawn bug, everything is slowly getting depleted. And go fig, LekJart is sick so it won't be fixed for a while.
And Veldspar sucks. Period. It makes half as much as scord.
On the other hand, scordite rocks. It's only about 10-20% worse than plag or pyrox, but like veldspar, the minerals you get are ridiculously easy to sell.
ESPECIALLY if you find one of the occasional "i need minerals to produce battleships" buy orders. I've seen orders for multiple millions of pyerite at 5 ISK per unit. They come and go, but they do show up occasionally.
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.07.15 13:34:00 -
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It's not just the noob areas that are getting stripped. I mine in a .4 that used to carry plenty of jaspet and kernite for those brave enough to get it.
Last night, there were about half a dozen asteroids left in one belt (all veldspar and scordite) and to make matters worse, they were patrolled by 4 Serp. Guards! Definitely not worth the hassle.
I don't know about a respawn bug, just figured it was time to move on as the cupboard was bare...
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Trebonius
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Posted - 2003.07.15 13:35:00 -
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I never had any problem with people strip mining in industrial ships. It's the people who come with 4 Thoraxes with 8 harvester mining drones each that turn asteroid belts into dust in a few hours. Industrials mine too slowly to do any real damage unless the belt is completely infested with them.
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Nagev Justice
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Posted - 2003.07.15 14:18:00 -
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I just got this game and went around to all the triangles in the area I started and didn't see any asteroids... am I doing something wrong or is this the problem you are talking about?
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.07.15 16:00:00 -
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If you mine an asteroid long enough, you will use it up. The asteroid will disappear. If you a get a group of cruisers together, you can wipe out whole belts of asteroids in a few hours.
After a time, the asteroids are supposed to respawn. I don't know what the timeframe for respawning is and I think there is some degree of randomness (with the more valuable ores taking longer to respawn?). I'm not really sure.
Warping to the triangles should reveal asteroids. That there is nothing means it's mined out for the moment. I would move on and try to find a belt with rocks in it.
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Havoc1710
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Posted - 2003.07.15 16:19:00 -
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asteroid respawn is bugged > pann confirmed it on iirc.
person looking at it is off sick, so it wont be touched till he is back.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.15 16:19:00 -
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Well there was talk of a 'Resource Bank' that defined a finite limit on the number of minerals availible. Mining pulled minerals from that bank and until the minerals were returned (aka, a ship was destroyed) the supply would dwindle.
It's possible that wasn't talk but truth. At which point things are going to get real funny round here...
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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RazorDreamz
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Posted - 2003.07.15 18:57:00 -
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Simple solution would be to let pirates back into empire space.
I promise I would blast every indy I see!
Problem solved.
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Lexington Cabot
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Posted - 2003.07.15 19:44:00 -
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I've been doing a lot of pirate hunting the last few days just back and forth between Emol and Eifer. Not one belt has been touched and these are just a jump or two from Ammold.
Oh and about how many of the pirates are around? Like only in one or two belts in each system. So it's pretty easy to mine and avoid trouble.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.15 20:59:00 -
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I agree with a Trebonius - An Indy with a single mining laser can barely scratch a roid field.
A handful of Thoraxes loaded with harvs can do some SEROUS roidfield damage though.
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Ehxo
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Posted - 2003.07.15 21:54:00 -
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Oh yeah, please, let us back in. I SWEAR *cough* that we won't hurt anyone *cough*
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