The biggest problem with the .01 isking is the fact the broker's fee for the change usually a meagre 100 ISK, because its based on the change and not the sell price. If it was based on the sell price, I'd suspect there wouldn't be that much .01-isking every 5 minutes.

Without more details I can only asssume that you trade the wrong items.

I trade in Jita and update my orders once a day.
Sure, could probably be a lot better if I babysit my orders continually, but even so I still do a fine business, so casual trading is not the problem.

No offense OP.

But what I read is:

"I dont like how market mechanics work and how dedicated traders undercut me."

So I ask you:

Why on earth (or Jita) are you doing market PvP. If you dont like it, dont do it. You can always sell to best buy or hope your items sell eventually.

As for couriers...

Be aware of scams and low paying stuff and remember you are competing with both Push and Red Frog.

OP: You're correct, the casual player can't really play the .01 isk game. Not if you want to play other parts of the game. If you just want the isk, just sell to buy orders.

As you say, people who have the time/resources to play the game more often or with more accounts will always have the advantage, else why would they invest so much time/money into the game? Your mechanic change in order to 'level the playing field' will only penalize the more...dedicated...players.

That said, there are other ways to take advantage of the .01 isk marketeers...though be warned, you're swimming with sharks.

TB

Thanks for the feedback , Its a shame because i like the markets and industry i just don't have the time are desire to play the modify order metagaming.Will just look to use manufacturing to try and produce my own ships and ammo for PVP in the future

At least in real life it would take a along time to modify such orders and cost allot more to do it.

Okay so i made some items and put them for sale on the market ,I then entered in to the drop ISK game and it been this way for days now and sold nothing . Value of the item is 3mil isk each and each time i modify the order to be competitive i just get charged between a hundred to two hundred thousand isk. And a moment later some one else does the same thing and on and on .

So say you go out go to work come home relax and decide to play some EVE , you look at your orders and discover your orders and market items were undercut within 1 hour of you changing your order. So the person that has more time to play eve is the one who going to sell his stuff and the person who has to leave the game for 10 hours is going to sell nothing .

My point is the game does little if nothing to discourage this and brokers fees are ridiculously low to modify a order.I understand location has allot to do with it as well and haveing spread my items out in the game.Just seems like its a waste of time trying to do anything on the market if you have to leave the game and got to work etc and cant access eve.Maybe they should have put that in the tutorial would have saved me lots of isk and time.

Like most things in EVE it punishes casual players ,they should at least increase the fee to modify a order are make a larger time delay to modify a order. Because as far as i can see the only people who win here are the people that have access to EVE while at work are unemployed are they make a living from the plex of us casual players.

I never knew this , so the more you drop your price the higher the brokers fee is ? so it even pays just to play the 1 ISK drop ?


I have enjoyed learning a bit about contracts and the markets its a game within its self.I just think it would be so much better if changing a order was more of a risk and commitment rather than a low cost one minute task you can change at any time .A greater fee and time delay are a limited number of order modifications each day based on skill level would give it a bit more meaning rather than its current state.

Just started looking at the contracts for courier services now that seems like a interesting murky world of risk and reward and pvp

is putting things on the market really considered "pvp"? is that what passes for pvp in eve?

My frustration is with the game mechanic i fully understand that the item you produce and the location you sell it are of importance. But none of that matters if your not at your keyboard modifying your order every 5 minutes ,I don't see how people cant see that .The game basically boils down to how often you can check you market orders and how often you can alter the order , nothing else no skill just who plays the game the most


For a game that requires some knowledge and intellect to play it Just undermines the whole idea of the market in my view As i said if you have a job outside of EVE and no access to EVE its very hard to sell stuff as some one undercuts that straight away , As others have said people do this all day for fun so your casual player is going to struggle to sell any thing.Should be a time delay and a restriction on the number of market order modifications a player can make each day.


And i dont want to be a trader i just wanted to build some stuff and sell it so i can afford a ship to PVP in, then i discover you need to be altering your order every other minute in order just to sell it

Thanks for all the feedback and advice , learning to build stuff and find things that sell was one thing , Now i need to learn how to actually sell it in the game . Its another game within its self a bit frustrating at times but interesting and a challenge

And don't sell everything in popular places.
Look where PvP is actually going on and Agent running and it'll open markets. Most people will buy in their system rather than at a trade hub if the prices aren't hugely inflated.