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Valerie Ganor
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Posted - 2005.07.11 08:41:00 -
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Tech II woes:
As we all know there are only a handfull of each tech2 bpo's in the game. Most of these are in the hands of mega corporations or (very) wealthy individuals.
While this is what normally happends its a bad thing for the eve economy. Inflated prices, insurance not covering the loss of tech2 items/ships, etc.
Proposal:
Keep feeding the market with new tech2 bpo's of existing tech2 items/ships (not the fixed ammount we have now). This will have a duo-effect:
1) Scientists will again become a profession worth investing in.
2) Lowering of tech2 prices all over the board.
Negatives:
1) There could be a increase in alt-scientists wich will be hoarding the tech2 bpos.
2) Will be obselete when tech3 hits (in wich case tech2 should be seeded through npc's)
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.07.11 10:55:00 -
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I agree that tech II Does need an over haul.
Can't remember the Last time I saw a set of interceptor BPC's on escrow.
Maybe make the tech II BPC' An NPC Market item That players can buy.
That would drive the prices down. Hopefully the addition of Zydrine to Empire will also make Ships/modules cheaper. |
Derisor
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:00:00 -
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The reality is that research as a whole is mostly screwed. BPOs are only part of the problem
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:14:00 -
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Keep prices high for a while, and lets get some of the ISK out of the system. Prices will drop when there is less ISK to pay for stuff.
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:25:00 -
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What Isk ? Its like the property ladder, I can't get on it because its spiralled out of control, making it harder to get started.
Its all very well if you've got the initial capital to to maintain yourself , but at the moment, Every thing is well over priced and Drastically needs to be reduced.
Hell Its getting worse and worse ! I saw a sacrilige BPC 1 Run For 50 million ? Why ? Why?
The whole system needs reviewing, And Tech II BPO's or BPC's need to get onto the market again, Or At least make the Research agent Drop them Even More ! |
Derisor
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:53:00 -
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 Originally by: KIATolon
Keep prices high for a while, and lets get some of the ISK out of the system. Prices will drop when there is less ISK to pay for stuff.
Isk doesnt leave the system that way. It only changes hands. Isk only leaves the system when it is used to purchase things from NPCs, fees are charged on transactions and things are blown up. Isk changing hands in the market isnt leaving the system.
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Valerie Ganor
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Posted - 2005.07.12 07:29:00 -
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Im trying to find a feasable way to input more tech II bpo's
I have two options (so discuss! :D)
1. Use the current lottery system.
2. Use the current agent offer system (make scientific specific offers)
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2005.07.12 09:45:00 -
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I think they should increase the amount of bpo's as there are too few, however also, they should implement an lp like system where for x amount of rp's you can get a limited run bpc of something. More people would get a chance to participate. As for releasing more bpo's sure its rare and should be for x amount of time.
however after x amount of time say 6 months another wave of that bpo should hit etc.. those who discovered it first will make good profits, for a time while the competition catches up. this only makes sense.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.07.12 11:13:00 -
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IMO they should never stop seading tech 2 bpos.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.07.12 12:23:00 -
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The Problem is the type of research system itself, instead of allowing manufacturers to advance to better goods when they have collected enough experience building lesser goods it allows people to go into tech 2 production from nowhere, whithout giving any benefit to those who have a background in production.
Let's take a look at the problem from the perspective of a tech 1 manufacturer: You make tech 1 items, mine ore, build the items, put them up for sale, you make a decent living, but of course you want more. You want to get into tech 2 production - but now the bad news hit you. You don't have any standing with the research corps because you have acctually spent your time working instead of agentwhoring.
Now you go to work, get that standing up. You have to give up your manufacturing job because you just don't have the time to do both, run missions and manufacture stuff. You are now doing stuipid tasks that have little or nothing to do with your line of work for companies that should be your competitors.
Now you have built up your standing to get the good agents. Ooops, guess what, those guys are hiding in some backwater pampa systems in lowsec. Now lets suppose you do get to them (remember, you are still someone with limited combat proficiency) and start running them. Now it hits you that your chances to be rewarded for running them are not any bigger then if you were a random mission grinder who never even built the tech 1 version in their life.
I mean let's pretend the scenario was the other way around:
What if mission runners would have to manufacture tech 1 items for a few weeks in order to take part in the lottery for the ultimate combat ship, but their chances to get it would be low, because all fulltime manufacturers are also in the lottery. Would that make sense? I don't think so!
So why in the hell do manufacturers have to run missions to get the ultimate blueprint?!
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:19:00 -
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I say remove T2 BPO's altogether. Research agents should give BPC. That way research would be an actual on going profession. Not just win one BPO in the lottery and be setup for life.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Valerie Ganor
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
I say remove T2 BPO's altogether. Research agents should give BPC. That way research would be an actual on going profession. Not just win one BPO in the lottery and be setup for life.
This is rather intressting to be honest.
Give out limited bpc runs instead of bpo's.
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Chaotic Mind
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:28:00 -
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hmmm, with no constant source of T2 modules their price will blast through the roof?
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:20:00 -
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This has been noted by the dev team. Some where in some dev blog there is news of new research coming in December. Seems the Lottery ahs changed just like our Tech II components. You know you could recycle nanomechanical processors and get minerals! Now with all these new POS and such they will reinvent the wheel and everyone wil cry because of the new way things will happen.
Its not playing for today but what will come tommorrow. By September we will see dreadnaughts and freighters in Eve. Do you think that will change everything. I dont see tech II that important after those dreads hit you. The tech III will be dread components......
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Valerie Ganor
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
This has been noted by the dev team. Some where in some dev blog there is news of new research coming in December. Seems the Lottery ahs changed just like our Tech II components. You know you could recycle nanomechanical processors and get minerals! Now with all these new POS and such they will reinvent the wheel and everyone wil cry because of the new way things will happen.
Do you have a link for me Harisdrop ? I've been away a few months and most have missed it.
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