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Arkane Darkwhisper
Escadron leader La League des mondes libres
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Posted - 2013.02.01 01:40:00 -
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I guess Dust will be heading in the "good" way
http://eve-files.com/dl/260331
Priceless
forum link https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=501340#post501340
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Arkane Darkwhisper
Escadron leader La League des mondes libres
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Posted - 2013.02.01 01:42:00 -
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OP post was:
We need to come up with a standard on how much ISK a director can give out. It is very easy for a disgruntled director to take all the money from the corp wallet and put it into his account.
10 million ISK cap per day should be the max.
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Leaving this is out here for those idiots who love to assume stuff.
In 2009, a player alliance known as Goonswarm was contacted by a disgruntled director of rival alliance Band of Brothers, one of the largest alliances in the game at that time. The defecting director then stripped Band of Brothers of a large quantity of assets including ships, money and territory, and disbanded the alliance. |

eddie valvetino
Snuff Box
151
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Posted - 2013.02.01 10:52:00 -
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Arkane Darkwhisper wrote:OP post was:
We need to come up with a standard on how much ISK a director can give out. It is very easy for a disgruntled director to take all the money from the corp wallet and put it into his account.
10 million ISK cap per day should be the max.
Edit:
Leaving this is out here for those idiots who love to assume stuff.
In 2009, a player alliance known as Goonswarm was contacted by a disgruntled director of rival alliance Band of Brothers, one of the largest alliances in the game at that time. The defecting director then stripped Band of Brothers of a large quantity of assets including ships, money and territory, and disbanded the alliance.
The ONE AND ONLY thing goons did well |

Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:08:00 -
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Interesting to see how long the PS3 crowd can handle the HTFU mentality.
My money is on less than 6 months. |

El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 12:26:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:Interesting to see how long the PS3 crowd can handle the HTFU mentality.
My money is on less than 6 months.
They won't take it for a second and it will have to be changed. People do not like getting ripped off. If people get scammed and it isn't stopped then DUST will become EVE, a low player base game of the same old people posting "there is not enough PVP targets."
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7532
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Posted - 2013.02.01 13:00:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:Interesting to see how long the PS3 crowd can handle the HTFU mentality.
My money is on less than 6 months. They won't take it for a second and it will have to be changed. People do not like getting ripped off. If people get scammed and it isn't stopped then DUST will become EVE, a low player base game of the same old people posting "there is not enough PVP targets."
The hate and grudges are what motivate people to log in and violence each other. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
254
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Posted - 2013.02.01 13:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:El Cymech wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:Interesting to see how long the PS3 crowd can handle the HTFU mentality.
My money is on less than 6 months. They won't take it for a second and it will have to be changed. People do not like getting ripped off. If people get scammed and it isn't stopped then DUST will become EVE, a low player base game of the same old people posting "there is not enough PVP targets." The hate and grudges are what motivate people to log in and violence each other.
But is there really anything you can do in DUST to get that feeling of epic payback? You can't pick a target and go stalk him. You can't go to destroy his POSs. All you can do is shoot him in a match. Can you even do anything to make it more probable that you get into the same match? |

Raven Dasani
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:06:00 -
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Being a DUST player, I can see the arguments that everyone is making, however CCP has been pretty secretive about any future builds and what the final game plan is, in specifics. They have said general stuff or alluded to stuff, but no specifics. That being said, DUST is still in beta and I think that for right now it is impossible to make any judgments on anything that CCP hasn't specifically commented on.
But I do agree with those that say console players are going to have issues with EvE style gameplay as it pertains to retribution against other players. Yet, DUST already requires a certain degree of dedication from players in just the way SP is acquired and spent, so those players are most likely the target demographics that CCP is aiming for. I know in my own corp, our mercs are pretty excited about the idea and potential of having some form of system that allows for treachery and backstabbing and many of those players are considering playing EvE just for those reasons alone. We'll just have to wait and see what makes it into DUST and how people are going to respond to it. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:50:00 -
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Raven Dasani wrote:Being a DUST player, I can see the arguments that everyone is making, however CCP has been pretty secretive about any future builds and what the final game plan is, in specifics. They have said general stuff or alluded to stuff, but no specifics. That being said, DUST is still in beta and I think that for right now it is impossible to make any judgments on anything that CCP hasn't specifically commented on.
But I do agree with those that say console players are going to have issues with EvE style gameplay as it pertains to retribution against other players. Yet, DUST already requires a certain degree of dedication from players in just the way SP is acquired and spent, so those players are most likely the target demographics that CCP is aiming for. I know in my own corp, our mercs are pretty excited about the idea and potential of having some form of system that allows for treachery and backstabbing and many of those players are considering playing EvE just for those reasons alone. We'll just have to wait and see what makes it into DUST and how people are going to respond to it.
http://www.dust514.org/home/item/cast-514-episode-9-uprising-imminent have a listen and learn.
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Henry Haphorn
Kid's Logistics Inc
407
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:56:00 -
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Give it more time. One of the main reasons players come to Eve is because of the shenanigans. If DUST can draw players in the same way, I can see DUST going a very long way in the future. Adapt or Die |

Raven Dasani
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:29:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Raven Dasani wrote:Being a DUST player, I can see the arguments that everyone is making, however CCP has been pretty secretive about any future builds and what the final game plan is, in specifics. They have said general stuff or alluded to stuff, but no specifics. That being said, DUST is still in beta and I think that for right now it is impossible to make any judgments on anything that CCP hasn't specifically commented on.
But I do agree with those that say console players are going to have issues with EvE style gameplay as it pertains to retribution against other players. Yet, DUST already requires a certain degree of dedication from players in just the way SP is acquired and spent, so those players are most likely the target demographics that CCP is aiming for. I know in my own corp, our mercs are pretty excited about the idea and potential of having some form of system that allows for treachery and backstabbing and many of those players are considering playing EvE just for those reasons alone. We'll just have to wait and see what makes it into DUST and how people are going to respond to it. http://www.dust514.org/home/item/cast-514-episode-9-uprising-imminent have a listen and learn.
Yeah I did and since that was just released today, my statement about CCP being secretive holds true. I don't care that they told you in some podcast, why aren't they telling us in dev blogs.
I'm starting to think you are an arrogant little know it all prick. You comment on everything that everyone says and 90% of those comments have some prickish little remark in them. I get some insight from things you comment on, but you just come across as a prick more often than not. I don't doubt your insight or knowledge, but I do doubt you know it all.
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El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.02.01 18:55:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Give it more time. One of the main reasons players come to Eve is because of the shenanigans. If DUST can draw players in the same way, I can see DUST going a very long way in the future.
The thing is though people always say they want hardcore this, hardcore that, but we all know most of them are going to be on the short end of the stick. I hate to sound like an old man, but if kids get burned these days they just work to change the system and not get up, dust off and get "revenge". All these so called vampires turn into victims real fast when they get smoked.
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Henry Haphorn
Kid's Logistics Inc
407
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:54:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Give it more time. One of the main reasons players come to Eve is because of the shenanigans. If DUST can draw players in the same way, I can see DUST going a very long way in the future. The thing is though people always say they want hardcore this, hardcore that, but we all know most of them are going to be on the short end of the stick. I hate to sound like an old man, but if kids get burned these days they just work to change the system and not get up, dust off and get "revenge". All these so called vampires turn into victims real fast when they get smoked.
And I'm certain that our community will ensure that won't happen with dust. Unlike other MMOs, we citizens of New Eden have checks and balances. Adapt or Die |

El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:45:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:El Cymech wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Give it more time. One of the main reasons players come to Eve is because of the shenanigans. If DUST can draw players in the same way, I can see DUST going a very long way in the future. The thing is though people always say they want hardcore this, hardcore that, but we all know most of them are going to be on the short end of the stick. I hate to sound like an old man, but if kids get burned these days they just work to change the system and not get up, dust off and get "revenge". All these so called vampires turn into victims real fast when they get smoked. And I'm certain that our community will ensure that won't happen with dust. Unlike other MMOs, we citizens of New Eden have checks and balances.
I am willing to bet that there won't be any hardcore griefing or scamming opportunities in DUST. DUST wasn't made for EVE players and let's face it, if scamming, extortion and the like were such crowd pleasers why is EVE the only game like it? I am not saying these are bad things, it's a niche. I have not scammed, ganked nor have I been but I'm telling you, the console market is completely different. |

El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 21:46:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote: Unlike other MMOs, we citizens of New Eden have checks and balances.
No you don't. If someone gets screwed and says anything about it they are made fun of and berated endlessly. |

Henry Haphorn
Kid's Logistics Inc
407
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Posted - 2013.02.02 00:18:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote: Unlike other MMOs, we citizens of New Eden have checks and balances. No you don't. If someone gets screwed and says anything about it they are made fun of and berated endlessly.
That's not the check and balance I was talking about. I don't mind screwing people over so long as it's within the context of the game. I was referring to the threat of scrubs/blueberries/carebears wanting to dumb down DUST for the sake of making it feel like call of duty or halo. Our community and our elected representatives are the check and balance against this sort of threat. CCP does rely on our community feedback after all.
As for why Eve has been the only game like this, it probably has more to do with the fact that the big name companies that make games like halo, cod, wow, uo, etc. are just sticking to what makes them the most money and they are too scared to experiment like how CCP succeeded in doing. Adapt or Die |

El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.02.02 03:23:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote: I was referring to the threat of scrubs/blueberries/carebears wanting to dumb down DUST for the sake of making it feel like call of duty or halo. Our community and our elected representatives are the check and balance against this sort of threat. CCP does rely on our community feedback after all.
Dumb DUST down? I love it and I am having fun but let's be honest, It's hardly a brain buster. It's a shooter with some customizable rigs. Let's not be rude and keep ignoring our friend the 800 pound gorilla in the room named SONY. Again this game wasn't made for EVE players predominately. EVE vets are still bitching about the blue donut, fix this fix that, not enough PVP, waaa... You would never know there was DUST talking to most EVE people. |

Henry Haphorn
Kid's Logistics Inc
407
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Posted - 2013.02.02 03:33:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote: I was referring to the threat of scrubs/blueberries/carebears wanting to dumb down DUST for the sake of making it feel like call of duty or halo. Our community and our elected representatives are the check and balance against this sort of threat. CCP does rely on our community feedback after all.
Dumb DUST down? I love it and I am having fun but let's be honest, It's hardly a brain buster. It's a shooter with some customizable rigs. Let's not be rude and keep ignoring our friend the 800 pound gorilla in the room named SONY. Again this game wasn't made for EVE players predominately. EVE vets are still bitching about the blue donut, fix this fix that, not enough PVP, waaa... You would never know there was DUST talking to most EVE people.
You'd be surprised how many players keep saying DUST is too complicated. You and I don't find it complicate, but that's because we grew up on complexities. Yes, Sony is a gorilla in the room, but a gorilla we can safely ignore knowing that CCP has total control over the development of the game. But you are right that DUST is not entirely directed to Eve players, but it does expand on the market for Eve players that do have a PS3. Adapt or Die |

Azriel Geist
Shinrei Syndicate
73
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Posted - 2013.02.02 06:22:00 -
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Raven Dasani wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Raven Dasani wrote:Being a DUST player, I can see the arguments that everyone is making, however CCP has been pretty secretive about any future builds and what the final game plan is, in specifics. They have said general stuff or alluded to stuff, but no specifics. That being said, DUST is still in beta and I think that for right now it is impossible to make any judgments on anything that CCP hasn't specifically commented on.
But I do agree with those that say console players are going to have issues with EvE style gameplay as it pertains to retribution against other players. Yet, DUST already requires a certain degree of dedication from players in just the way SP is acquired and spent, so those players are most likely the target demographics that CCP is aiming for. I know in my own corp, our mercs are pretty excited about the idea and potential of having some form of system that allows for treachery and backstabbing and many of those players are considering playing EvE just for those reasons alone. We'll just have to wait and see what makes it into DUST and how people are going to respond to it. http://www.dust514.org/home/item/cast-514-episode-9-uprising-imminent have a listen and learn. Yeah I did and since that was just released today, my statement about CCP being secretive holds true. I don't care that they told you in some podcast, why aren't they telling us in dev blogs. I'm starting to think you are an arrogant little know it all prick. You comment on everything that everyone says and 90% of those comments have some prickish little remark in them. I get some insight from things you comment on, but you just come across as a prick more often than not. I don't doubt your insight or knowledge, but I do doubt you know it all.
Nova Fox is a prick? News at 11, the guy is an obvious Goon alt. Look at his number of likes.
Tbh, he's just a harmless Gallente tart. |

Rhodeblock
Blockcom Salvage and Resources
0
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Posted - 2013.02.02 14:10:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:Thomas Gore wrote:Interesting to see how long the PS3 crowd can handle the HTFU mentality.
My money is on less than 6 months. They won't take it for a second and it will have to be changed. People do not like getting ripped off. If people get scammed and it isn't stopped then DUST will become EVE, a low player base game of the same old people posting "there is not enough PVP targets."
i really think the only way I'd come close to feeling ripped off would be if they increased the salvaging from battles and allowed people to take the things that I spent real money on. If the dropsuits and such were locked to me, then i wouldn't care if ISK/other marketplace gotten items disappeared when I died or failed.
I played EVE for too long to think that a FPS on the PS3 tied to the same universe was going to be different . I like that risk. It fuels the economy in game - i die, my stuff goes - i have to buy new stuff...who's making it? can i get in that? - new angle.
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Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno
31
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Posted - 2013.02.03 01:43:00 -
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Given the number of players who repeatedly try to use friendly fire on my merc, I suspect that there are quite a few FPSers who will fit right into New Eden.  |

Cephias Caine
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:24:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:El Cymech wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote: Unlike other MMOs, we citizens of New Eden have checks and balances. No you don't. If someone gets screwed and says anything about it they are made fun of and berated endlessly. That's not the check and balance I was talking about. I don't mind screwing people over so long as it's within the context of the game. I was referring to the threat of scrubs/blueberries/carebears wanting to dumb down DUST for the sake of making it feel like call of duty or halo. Our community and our elected representatives are the check and balance against this sort of threat. CCP does rely on our community feedback after all. As for why Eve has been the only game like this, it probably has more to do with the fact that the big name companies that make games like halo, cod, wow, uo, etc. are just sticking to what makes them the most money and they are too scared to experiment like how CCP succeeded in doing.
Frankly, i agree on both counts, but I would like to point out that the automatic and visceral reaction of the majority of the player base against any "dumbing down" or "safe mode" or Carebear demands for safeguards against being forced to endure the concequences of poor decision making. Is in-fact part of the natural checks and balnces of EVE.
The Dusties will do fine, they will fight and die, scam and steal, and be victims in equal measure. This process will whinno out the wheat from the chaff. the hardcore that remain will be better for it, and newer players will benefit from this process because they will have a clearer understanding of the environment they are entering.
Bad decisions require concequences and Griefers often end up spiked on their own swords, Tears, however, are the bread and butter of EVE. No one can hear you scream in space, but damn if it isn't funny to listen to it on comms! |
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