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Golden Ratio	Posted - 2005.07.11 17:24:00 - [1] Edited by: Golden Ratio on 11/07/2005 17:27:27 Yes, you heard me. I want to change EVE. Tired am I of the constant ganking, the greed and the exclusivness of 0.0 alliances. By any other MMOs standards, all 0.0 alliance members are 100% total pks. They kill anyone, without even asking questions or caring, who enter "their" "territory." They are flat out pks. The most honorable alliances, the people who think of themsevles as "the good guys," the people who in all other games are fair a decent, ALL of them are nothing but pks. I want this to change. I would like to be part of a 0.0 alliance which only shoots people if those people themselves are known trouble causers. I want to be part of an alliance that promotes honesty, positive social encounters, teamwork, trust, hard work and respect. An alliance that rises above all the silly squabbling of everyone else and just NPCs, mines, does missions, explores, has pvp torurnaments and other fun player run events, and defends its people with strength. ALL people would be 100% welcome to join. ALL people would be welcome to come into our section of space and do what they wish, as long as they are not harming others. Why cant this happen? Why cant it exist? Who has similar feelings? ---------------------------- The Golden Ratio has spoken.
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.07.11 17:30:00 - [2] It may not be exactly what you're looking for but the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate has permission to be in several areas of 0.0 space. We have a requirement that corporations set up at least 1 POS in order that we can claim soverinty but you will make a profit on it. Alternatively, you could join a corporation that's already part of the ISS. We are friendly with local alliances though we have rules to observe for the moment about where we can go. Hopefully relations will improve with time and they will let us travel freely in our corner of the galaxy. We can't promise that it's freely open 0.0 space nor can we promise that it's safe. If it were, it wouldn't be special and it would be just an extension of empire except that NPCs and ore are better. But we do allow anyone in who has an actual interest in ISS. Join channel ISS Public in-game and ask about it to get more information. Let them know I sent you.
Branmuffin	Posted - 2005.07.11 17:31:00 - [3] There have been some, most notably Xetic and CFS. But there is a lot of inertia inside of alliances that leads to the dissolution of goodspirited alliances. Most notably in the case of Xetic, the PK's got tired of being associatted with the "wusses" and tore the guts out of the alliance for thier own benefit.
Leno	Posted - 2005.07.11 17:31:00 - [4] leaches, neutral pirates and the likes. Been tried, closest thing was CFS but then again they were never really in charge to begin with. Point is there are too many others who will exploit your work to their advantage, i know i would. P.S - and that is what makes this game great --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at the same time
HUGO DRAX	Posted - 2005.07.11 21:08:00 - [5] Do you see the US,England,china etc.. just letting anyone cross borders and share? Same thing here. Its the way it has been for 1000's of years.
gizli	Posted - 2005.07.11 21:15:00 - [6] i want eve with no lag and whiners ------------------------- Mwahahahahahahhahah! _____ (\_/) \| ___\|-(-.-)- - \|_\| Damn rabbit
aeti	Posted - 2005.07.11 21:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Golden Ratio Why cant this happen? Why cant it exist? CCP set the limit on the number of standings you can have set so you can't mark all the bad guys as bad (not enough slots), its just easier to set whois "good" and assume everybody else is out to get you and shoot all neutrals when you can set standings to entire alliances in one go (which was promised with exodus but as always CCP failed to deliver) things might change again
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.07.11 22:33:00 - [8] Originally by: aeti Originally by: Golden Ratio Why cant this happen? Why cant it exist? CCP set the limit on the number of standings you can have set so you can't mark all the bad guys as bad (not enough slots), its just easier to set whois "good" and assume everybody else is out to get you and shoot all neutrals when you can set standings to entire alliances in one go (which was promised with exodus but as always CCP failed to deliver) things might change again I seriously doubt that, even blues get shot at by the fraghags so better setting tools will change little. It's all about containing these 'free spirits' by removing their capabilities to be all over the place and spot people via the map in places they would otherwise never go. Convert Stations
Ben Derindar	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Leno there are too many others who will exploit your work to their advantage, What this man said. Originally by: HUGO DRAX Do you see the US,England,china etc.. just letting anyone cross borders and share? Same thing here. Its the way it has been for 1000's of years. RL is not a game, Eve is. This means people can get away with doing things in Eve that are just unthinkable in RL, and so they do them because in Eve, they can. For this reason, Eve/RL comparisons are utterly irrelevant. /Ben
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:18:00 - [10] the only true anwser is a socialist alliance where every worker gets a fair share, gets the same wages, and is ruled by the people. communism ftw. othewise as usual the management will "manage" to f*** up and cause everyone to leave. alliance leaders suck most of the time. also why do we never hear abour any of the northern alliances? you usually never hear about any of them, guess all the action is in the south, yeee haa.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: aeti Originally by: Golden Ratio Why cant this happen? Why cant it exist? CCP set the limit on the number of standings you can have set so you can't mark all the bad guys as bad (not enough slots), its just easier to set whois "good" and assume everybody else is out to get you and shoot all neutrals when you can set standings to entire alliances in one go (which was promised with exodus but as always CCP failed to deliver) things might change again I seriously doubt that, even blues get shot at by the fraghags so better setting tools will change little. It's all about containing these 'free spirits' by removing their capabilities to be all over the place and spot people via the map in places they would otherwise never go. Someone has never actually been to 0.0, or in any of these alliances that he is whining about. -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:22:00 - [12] You actually spent 1.5mil on this joke? Reiisha's Skills
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:27:00 - [13] Join an allaince corp. You can move around its easy enough.

Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Golden Ratio By any other MMOs standards, all 0.0 alliance members are 100% total pks. Theres no good or bad in EVE, it's more of pwn or politics which puts it in quite a different category to other MMOGS. Pwn, I shoot you because I can and like it. Politics, I shoot you only if you are not blue and/or mine my veldspar for me and/or live next to our territory and/or make a good ally for a NAP or MPP so someone else doesn't join you to pwn me etc. There have been many alliances (and there still are) that are friendly and don't shoot first but will actually ask you to leave or escort you out of thier space. Some will sell you mining/npc hunting passes, I wouldn't label the whole bunch as pk'ers. Possibly explore your idea more on the Corporations, Alliances and Organisations forum, even if no one really agrees with you, you could always make your own alliance with other people that also share your ideology of a friendlier EVE.

Coasterbrian	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:35:00 - [15] Please, do make such an alliance. I'm running out of things to shoot. Soft and Crunchy 4tw! \o/
Pride NL	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Branmuffin There have been some, most notably Xetic and CFS. But there is a lot of inertia inside of alliances that leads to the dissolution of goodspirited alliances. Most notably in the case of Xetic, the PK's got tired of being associatted with the "wusses" and tore the guts out of the alliance for thier own benefit. Xetic where all for the cash. You needed to join them or pay them. CFS is the only thing. But EVE has evolved and the CFS ideals where good, but proved impossible to maintain.
Araviel	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:45:00 - [17] i think huzzah alliance still operates simmular to what you are asking for GR.. there has also been several other attempts, like for example CFS as mentioned above. it do work if you find people that are willing to work for it and dosnt act out of self intresst, however thoose people are rare EPIC Recruitment post
Blind Fear	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:46:00 - [18] Edited by: Blind Fear on 11/07/2005 23:47:59 Originally by: Golden Ratio I would like to be part of a 0.0 alliance which only shoots people if those people themselves are known trouble causers. I want to be part of an alliance that promotes honesty, positive social encounters, teamwork, trust, hard work and respect. An alliance that rises above all the silly squabbling of everyone else and just NPCs, mines, does missions, explores, has pvp torurnaments and other fun player run events, and defends its people with strength. ALL people would be 100% welcome to join. ALL people would be welcome to come into our section of space and do what they wish, as long as they are not harming others. Why cant this happen? Why cant it exist? Who has similar feelings? Then DO it. Spend months carving out a corner of 0.0, spend billions defending your home against incursions of all sizes. Then throw open the doors to the proletariat and allow them free reign. Then watch as pirate incursions intensify due to the influx of targets, watch as everyone who you graciously allowed into your space flees and hides and demands that you protect them. Watch the ore resources of your space become barren and depleated while you fight to allow people the freedom to make billions and give you nothing. Free space will collapse because if you were willing to defend your space, you'd be in an alliance. It is doomed by definition. However, there are some groups who control conquerable refineries which allow mining in their space for a substansial cut of the refining. They operate on standings, and your corp must both be liked enough to be admitted and large enough to make it worth their while.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.07.11 23:51:00 - [19] as a solo player as long as you avoid piracy then you should not have much trouble switching corps to chase youre own personal requirements - sure you might have to give something back but in the long run its all good
Bryanna Rivellan	Posted - 2005.07.12 01:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Golden Ratio Edited by: Golden Ratio on 11/07/2005 17:27:27 By any other MMOs standards, all 0.0 alliance members are 100% total pks. They kill anyone, without even asking questions or caring, who enter "their" "territory." They are flat out pks. The most honorable alliances, the people who think of themsevles as "the good guys," the people who in all other games are fair a decent, ALL of them are nothing but pks. Shows how much you know... Not all alliances are by default PKs, not all alliances shoot anything not blue green or purple...
Golden Ratio	Posted - 2005.07.12 01:04:00 - [21] Edited by: Golden Ratio on 12/07/2005 01:04:22 Originally by: Bryanna Rivellan Shows how much you know... Not all alliances are by default PKs, not all alliances shoot anything not blue green or purple... I highly doubt that. Are you telling me that if I went into your alliances space (assumnig its your alliance you are talking about) and just flew around minding my own business, I would never get shot by your alliance members? ---------------------------- The Golden Ratio has spoken.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.07.12 08:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: aeti Originally by: Golden Ratio Why cant this happen? Why cant it exist? CCP set the limit on the number of standings you can have set so you can't mark all the bad guys as bad (not enough slots), its just easier to set whois "good" and assume everybody else is out to get you and shoot all neutrals when you can set standings to entire alliances in one go (which was promised with exodus but as always CCP failed to deliver) things might change again I seriously doubt that, even blues get shot at by the fraghags so better setting tools will change little. It's all about containing these 'free spirits' by removing their capabilities to be all over the place and spot people via the map in places they would otherwise never go. Someone has never actually been to 0.0, or in any of these alliances that he is whining about. Your rolling eyes, tech II or whatever doesn't prove a thing, you know nothing about where me or my associates have been so your post is more a non-post than anything. What are you disputing in it or did them eyes just need a good jog? Convert Stations
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.07.12 08:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Bryanna Rivellan Originally by: Golden Ratio Edited by: Golden Ratio on 11/07/2005 17:27:27 By any other MMOs standards, all 0.0 alliance members are 100% total pks. They kill anyone, without even asking questions or caring, who enter "their" "territory." They are flat out pks. The most honorable alliances, the people who think of themsevles as "the good guys," the people who in all other games are fair a decent, ALL of them are nothing but pks. Shows how much you know... Not all alliances are by default PKs, not all alliances shoot anything not blue green or purple... We were neutral to 3rd Front, in fact we'd never heard of them and sent a scout to their part of space, he was shot down within minutes without an communications whatsoever. Shows what I know. Convert Stations
Discorporation	Posted - 2005.07.12 09:01:00 - [24] I want to change eve I want to change eve I want to change eve from the lies self satisfied pirates I donÆt need you IÆve got to change eve God knows God knows I want to change eve Been podded again Been podded again for the nth time And this time I know itÆs for real Been podded again yeah God knows God knows I'm podded again ItÆs strange but itÆs true I canÆt get over the way you pod me like you do But I have to be sure When I undock my Oh how I want to change eve baby Oh how I want to change eve Oh how I want to change eve But life still goes on I canÆt get used to living without living without Living without a clone stashed away I donÆt want to die alone hey God knows got to make it on my own So baby canÆt you see IÆve got to change eve IÆve got to change I want to change eve yeah I want I want I want I want to chaaaaaange eeeeeeeveeee [Come to Daddy]
Avon	Posted - 2005.07.12 09:02:00 - [25] Classic ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
DJBoo	Posted - 2005.07.12 09:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Golden Ratio rabble Rabble RABblE.... RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE EVE-ONLINE FTW!!!!!!!!! its a PVP game not the sims. PEace on EArth not in EVE!
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.07.12 09:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Golden Ratio Why cant this happen? Why cant it exist? Because there will always be a snake in paradise. If someone build up something good there is always those that will come around to wreck it for no other purpose than that they can. As long as there is good, there is also evil Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Kreep13	Posted - 2005.07.12 09:39:00 - [28] umm...no...
Ratfink	Posted - 2005.07.12 12:17:00 - [29] I agree with Golden Ratio's orginal post. But unfortunately I think human nature will win and the current situation will stay. I think its inevitable.
Bryanna Rivellan	Posted - 2005.07.12 13:23:00 - [30] Edited by: Bryanna Rivellan on 12/07/2005 13:25:54 Originally by: Danton Marcellus We were neutral to 3rd Front, in fact we'd never heard of them and sent a scout to their part of space, he was shot down within minutes without any communications whatsoever. Shows what I know. We shoot what is marked red, guess what you guys were ... and if you really want to know why you were red ... shooting down alliance members in MHC doesn't help...

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