Hisec is the epitome of a low risk isk fountain. Where anyone with half a brain can get billions monthly with very little work. I have a blue that uses 3 hulks and an orca daily. within 4 DAYS in a month he has already plexed all of his toons. All because of hisec mining done very much unattentively.

Max hypothetical profit would be something like 70 million ISK an hour, or 30 hours to PLEX all accounts.

But that is not even possible in the high sec belts that are gone in anywhere from 20-60 minutes depending on how fat it is. Then you have to move, have to empty the orca, are going to have some half-cycles no matter how attentive you are. So max "realistic" profit from 3 hulks and an orca would be more like 60 million ISK an hour, or 35-40 hours. BUT, that is highly attentive mining.

Inattentive mining, maybe 45-50 million, or 45-50 hours.

And that doesn't including any travel, transport, market time.



I don't know, but I've been told, that null sec ratters in carriers can put in the neighborhood of 50 million a tick, or close to 150 million ISK an hour.. in complexes that auto re-spawn as soon as they complete. Deposited directly into their wallets without having to haul, market, blah, blah. With 1 account... so, PLEX in 4 hours compared to 40-50+ hours of high sec mining.

Now, this isn't a call to nerf carrier ratting in null.

I'm simply saying that if he is PLEXing all his accounts high sec mining in 4 days, those are 4 LONG, HARD days of high attentive mining, and then adding that high sec mining is far from the most profitable activity in the game.

OR, you just playing the game wrong.

i make more than 70 mil an hour doing high sec missions with a mach and tengu. if you can't make more than 70 mil an hour in high sec, your isk making operation is horrible.

It is a game, and therefor, exists for enjoyment.

I'm playing the game how I enjoy playing it, and therefore, am playing it correctly.

Anyone who thinks that they know what I enjoy, better than I know what I enjoy, must be one serious egotistical fool.

I was not attempting to assert that high sec mining is max profit activity. I was simply addressing the person's comment that his "friend" was able to PLEX 4 account in 4 days by mining, and mining is done unattentively. Yeah, maybe 14 hours a day for 4 days, unattentively.


Your entire post appears to be a straw-man... making a false image of my post to burn. Fail on you.

How about responding to what I was actually saying?

Change the game or lose subs thread# 108973450892341-298462143-98213457-21394687234698234707-971niner.

I'm playing the game how I enjoy playing it, and therefore, am playing it correctly.

Max hypothetical profit would be something like 70 million ISK an hour, or 30 hours to PLEX all accounts.

But that is not even possible in the high sec belts that are gone in anywhere from 20-60 minutes depending on how fat it is. Then you have to move, have to empty the orca, are going to have some half-cycles no matter how attentive you are. So max "realistic" profit from 3 hulks and an orca would be more like 60 million ISK an hour, or 35-40 hours. BUT, that is highly attentive mining.

Inattentive mining, maybe 45-50 million, or 45-50 hours.

And that doesn't including any travel, transport, market time.



I don't know, but I've been told, that null sec ratters in carriers can put in the neighborhood of 50 million a tick, or close to 150 million ISK an hour.. in complexes that auto re-spawn as soon as they complete. Deposited directly into their wallets without having to haul, market, blah, blah. With 1 account... so, PLEX in 4 hours compared to 40-50+ hours of high sec mining.

Now, this isn't a call to nerf carrier ratting in null.

I'm simply saying that if he is PLEXing all his accounts high sec mining in 4 days, those are 4 LONG, HARD days of high attentive mining, and then adding that high sec mining is far from the most profitable activity in the game.

Hey, let's all play whatever we want, the way we want,
because when we enjoy it we are doing it right,
no matter what.

with estimate of 300 to 500 mil daily. he has it down to a science that he knows which systems for the day have max yield and wipes at least a system clean daily

Most people argue for their own little corner, and look to keep things the way they want it to be. This is doublely so for most nullsec and lowsec players. Its pretty rare for them to support suggestions that improve EvE as a whole.

The thing is, just this statement alone separates you from those you feel are being "disrespected" for the most part. I've never seen anyone pile on a player who takes their lumps in stride. I have, however, seen the mad dash for every tear available the minute the crying starts.

For example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149212

I've played plenty of MMOs. But IMHO, the relative disrespectfull attitude towards people who want to take it more 'casual' (relative speaking, since there's no true 'casual' in this game) is amazing and annoying and one of the worst examples that I've met to date.

Yes, I know that PvP is a major theme in this game. But it isn't the only theme. Sure, you can get suicide ganked, even in high sec. You can get robbed, tricked, etc. All part of the gameplay (those who don't accept this, have failed to read the description, guidelines and reviews). No harm done there.

And certainly in every game I've played so far major alliances have tried to push the dev to insert stuff favorable to especially them.
But the way long-term players (especially 0-sec players) treat 'casual' players is astonishing - and on about the same level as 'WoW-kiddies (as I like to call them), and that's saying something, and that's not positive.

Certainly, the game needs progress and new updates. But never ever before I've even seen that NOWHERE any long-time member speaks up and says 'Shouldn't we try to keep this game together?' Since of ALL suggestions by long-term players, NOWHERE I see something that not only will benefit both 0-sec, high-sec, 'hardcore' and 'casual' - and 99% of the cases it the suggestion benefits the 0-sec, 'hardcore' players, with the other 1% benefitting the high-sec, 'hardcore' players.
While you DO want new players into this game, or are you really that narrow-minded?

I've played plenty of MMOs. But IMHO, the relative disrespectfull attitude towards people who want to take it more 'casual' (relative speaking, since there's no true 'casual' in this game) is amazing and annoying and one of the worst examples that I've met to date.

Yes, I know that PvP is a major theme in this game. But it isn't the only theme. Sure, you can get suicide ganked, even in high sec. You can get robbed, tricked, etc. All part of the gameplay (those who don't accept this, have failed to read the description, guidelines and reviews). No harm done there.

And certainly in every game I've played so far major alliances have tried to push the dev to insert stuff favorable to especially them.
But the way long-term players (especially 0-sec players) treat 'casual' players is astonishing - and on about the same level as 'WoW-kiddies (as I like to call them), and that's saying something, and that's not positive.

Certainly, the game needs progress and new updates. But never ever before I've even seen that NOWHERE any long-time member speaks up and says 'Shouldn't we try to keep this game together?' Since of ALL suggestions by long-term players, NOWHERE I see something that not only will benefit both 0-sec, high-sec, 'hardcore' and 'casual' - and 99% of the cases it the suggestion benefits the 0-sec, 'hardcore' players, with the other 1% benefitting the high-sec, 'hardcore' players.
While you DO want new players into this game, or are you really that narrow-minded?

Welcome to EVE, play the way I want you to or I'll harass and insult you until you do or get out.

To all those who hate hi-sec and their easy way of life...

Why aren't you trying to use the current in game mechanics to encourage emergent gameplay instead of complaining on the forums.

Those miners in hi-sec couldn't mine if you ganked them every time they leave the dock for example.

Its time you got your act together like James and his miner bumping crew and do something about it instead of complain about it on the forums and demand CCP to change the game to suit the way you feel it should be played.

If CCP felt that hi-sec and NPC corps was bad for business they wouldn't have ever created it.

So do something about it rather than try to complain and whine in a vain attempt to get CCP to change something they will obviously never in their existance consider doing.

Its time you got your act together like James and his miner bumping crew and do something about it instead of complain about it on the forums and demand CCP to change the game to suit the way you feel it should be played.

Good point.
Hopefully James315 will be elected to the CSM and he can share his well established opinions on what he feels should be adjusted with highsec. Seems fairly likely he will. And he makes me look like a moderate.

If you really believe that to be true, then there's really no help for you.

Hey, let's all play whatever we want, the way we want,
because when we enjoy it we are doing it right,
no matter what.

He has to make over 1.5 billion a day if he just wants to plex 100 accounts. 500 million a day is less than 30 accounts plexed.

If CCP felt that hi-sec and NPC corps was bad for business they wouldn't have ever created it.

If CCP felt Incarna was bad for business they wouldn't have ever created it.

What CCP do or do not think is good for business has very little bearing on what is or is not good for the game.


@OP - Any changes made to benefit casuals will benefit core players tenfold. That's why their opinion is irrelevant - no matter how you change the game, casuals will always be casual compared to everyone else. Hence the name.

This game isnt about PvP its about hand holding, smacktalking, docking games and botting