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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 19:57:00 -
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The Wis wrote:Haseo Antares wrote:How long does it take to log in all those toons? About 45 min total.
41 accounts...takes about 10 minutes. You are doing something wrong.
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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 20:24:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
Geez, in 45min this morning I had made 250mil already
Hate to burst your bubble but after he logs them he should be able to pull over 800 mil per hour. Everyday. All day. Good luck keeping pace with that with your 250 million.
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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 22:53:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Eric Ryan wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
Geez, in 45min this morning I had made 250mil already
Hate to burst your bubble but after he logs them he should be able to pull over 800 mil per hour. Everyday. All day. Good luck keeping pace with that with your 250 million. And? Over 100 accounts that works out to 800 mil an hour. and to plex those 100 accounts. He needs 56 billion a month. (figuring on 560 mil per plex)
He runs those accounts pretty much all day long so 56 bill is easily doable in a week. After that he cashes profit of about 100-200 bill every month.
I think Lazarus Telraven (I'm not sure about spelling here) mentioned in studio of Alliance tournament X that Goonswarm income from tech is something like 1 trillion per month. That guy is making over 10% of entire Goonswarm tech moon income. Alone. In highsec. Still feeling special?
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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:Eric Ryan wrote:I think Lazarus Telraven (I'm not sure about spelling here) mentioned in studio of Alliance tournament X that Goonswarm income from tech is something like 1 trillion per month. That guy is making over 10% of entire Goonswarm tech moon income. Alone. In highsec. Still feeling special? ice mining for numerous hours a day is now comparable to scooping moongoo every 21 days
So you are confirming that maintaining all those moons is easy? Without considerable logistical chains behind them and tremendous military power being able to hold them? Goonswarm has over 9000 members. The Wis. Single guy. Make no mistake I'm not picking on Goonswarm I'm pointing out EvE is broken.
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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:
I'm about to ~blow your mind~ - we can easily manage the entirety of the logistical work with less accounts than he has. A moon defense op is the obvious exception, but that's hardly relevant since it's great content when it leads to a fight.
Mind not blown but I'll make a mental note that you confirmed null tech moon income is easier than zero risk ice mining in highsec. I rest my case. Good luck in game and fly safe. |
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 23:53:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Eric Ryan wrote:Mind not blown but I'll make a mental note that you confirmed null tech moon income is easier than zero risk ice mining in highsec. I rest my case. Good luck in game and fly safe. Feel free to try out tech moon maintenance all by yourself, I give it a month before you burn out.
No thank you, I believe its hard. But Andski disagrees with you. You guys need to get your story straight. |
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.02 00:02:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:all these multiboxers should just use their 41 accounts to capture and defend tech moons, way easier then zero isk ice mining they figure
Andski has 41 ice mining macks? Nice. |
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.02 00:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:Eric Ryan wrote:Mind not blown but I'll make a mental note that you confirmed null tech moon income is easier than zero risk ice mining in highsec. I rest my case. Good luck in game and fly safe. Well, it's easy to milk tech moons once you have them, sure.
And thats the point. The Wis has all the ice fields with zero effort and military power.
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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.02 00:04:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Eric Ryan wrote:
No thank you, I believe its hard. But Andski disagrees with you. You guys need to get your story straight.
I never said it was hard because it's not. It's a boring, repetitive, thankless job that leaves you literally no time to do anything else ingame.
True, true. But still that's most highsec carebearish stuff and you guys don't like that. At least I thought so.
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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.02 00:21:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
daily maintenance ignores the effort of actually, you know, defending it (which costs something even if the primary defense is a diplomatic agreement) and taking it.
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Agreed. The actual effort is much higher. Exactly my point. |
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.02 00:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:Anyway I said that the routine maintenance of tech moons is largely effortless, since it is - actually keeping one isn't.
Yes, but maintenance is only a small part of the picture so as Ruby said the actual effort is much higher. Never thought it'll be this hard to get someone from Goonswarm agree that tech moon income is not as easy as ice mining. |
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:14:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Eric Ryan wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
Geez, in 45min this morning I had made 250mil already
Hate to burst your bubble but after he logs them he should be able to pull over 800 mil per hour. Everyday. All day. Good luck keeping pace with that with your 250 million. No he doesn't.
Whether he actually does I don't know but it is perfectly possible with the number of accounts he has and current ice prices. Do the math. Also he has been doing this for quite some time now and ice pretty much stays at same price so demand is still capable to eat it up. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sitting on more than trillion ISK. Maybe two. |
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:29:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
No, ice does not stay the same price.
It has dropped considerably in price since the Exhumer and Barge "buffs."
You can view a price history on any market to see that I am correct.
That The Wis has been doing this since before the buffs does not change the fact that he is a major contributor to the devaluation of ice products as a whole.
In short, he is mining himself and all other ice miners (including those in the foreseeable future) into serious pay cuts.
Thanks for your reply.
Clear icicle..the one he mines is at 120k-130k mark for several weeks if not months now. Blue ice for example seems to have stabilized between 140k-150k after the drop from the last mini goon intredcition. Whether it's because he stopped selling most of the ice I don't know.
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Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:54:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
You seem to imply the Goon interdiction was good for business. Good on you.
That prices went up during that event should be an indicator to you that what I'm saying is absolutely true.
By creating a glut of ice supplies, The Wis hands out pay cuts to everybody who mines alongside him.
Only by limiting the intake of supply can CCP truly "buff mining" as a profession. The exhumer and barge buffs didn't accomplish that. What they did accomplish is making it easier for The Wis and miners aspiring to be just like him to devalue ice mining as an entire profession.
By the way, what were the prices of those ice products before the barge and exhumer buffs?
Of course goon intrediction especially the big one along with hulkageddon was best thing that could have happened to miners...happy times.
Quite frankly I don't really remember the price after the patch but I believe the last mini intrediction actually started after the buff so prices actually started to rise and reached about 200k per block with all types of ice. After the intrediction they took continuous fall and stabilized at about 140-150k per blue ice, 120-130k per clear icicle, 120-130k per white glaze and 120-130k per glacial mass. The last one seems to have started decent again and after hanging at the 120-130k mark for several weeks broken the 120k barrier and is probably on track to 100k territory.
As far as ice mining income goes the buff actually buffed it in a way since even though the prices fell rapidly you are now capable of mining significantly larger piles. You pretty much don't have to pay any attention and just keep it running all the time as long as you are at home. So even though the price is lower your net income grew.
Nevertheless I believe CCP is going to change the whole ice mining thing along with POS remap in the summer so this crazy multi-boxing thing will no longer be possible. Can't imagine soundwave is satisfied with the state of things right now... |
Eric Ryan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:25:00 -
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Yes the pay per hour of ice mining dropped so in that regard you are being payed less but my point is you are capable of mining for longer time as in you as human player. You can mine for 12 hours on weekdays. Easy. No problem. With old mechanics this was extremly tedious and demanding on you as human being.
So yeah the prices dropped also the amount of ice mined per hour dropped but changes to barges allowed you as human to do the activity for longer times hence recouping the loss inflicted on you through drop in price and amount mined. You can drop macks in the field and go to shop, walk a dog, watch episode of a tv show...you get the point. You don't need to sit at the comupter for 12 hours to mine for 12 hours. You just need 24 breaks of about 3 minutes for the entire day to reset the thing.
Ps: Thank you for discussion. I'm on my way to bed now.
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