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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:27:00 -
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Just currious but isn't the smart bomb an explosion? It has bomb in the name but I guess that doensn't mean much.
Anyway if it is an explosion wouldnt it stand to reason that it should be held accountable to the same limitations that missles are?
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:29:00 -
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Actually thats a damn good point
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James Don
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:30:00 -
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Its the "smart" bit that helps I think 
I guess your getting at they should do less damage if a frig is in range moving fast?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:30:00 -
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I don't follow your reasoning. It's a wave of energy that comes out from your ship. Nothing more, nothing less.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:33:00 -
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don 't worry no dount this is next on the frigs community of things to get nerfed, they won't stop till all viable defense against them is gone.
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tokka Konnair on 12/07/2005 17:33:33
anyone have any idea where the concept of a smart bomb being a blast radiating out from the user at the centre came from?
(smart because the blast somehow doesn't affect you but only those around you)
the only thing i can think of is the Contra games ... but there must of been something that did it first ...
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Savage Lee
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Allen Deckard
Just currious but isn't the smart bomb an explosion? It has bomb in the name but I guess that doensn't mean much.
Anyway if it is an explosion wouldnt it stand to reason that it should be held accountable to the same limitations that missles are?
By this logic then missles should have splash damage...
Wow concord is gonna have a field day with this.
Seriously though Smartbombs are waves of energy that shoot out from your ship and hit everything in the blast radious.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:37:00 -
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They already have fairly high cap use, short range and fitting requirements that aren't to be sniffed at (on there intended ship size at least) so I don't see why they would be nerfed.
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I don't follow your reasoning. It's a wave of energy that comes out from your ship. Nothing more, nothing less.
A missle explosion is a wave of energy that radiates out from the center of the warhead when setoff.
The premise of the missle nerf was that a small fast moving ship would outrun most of this wave of energy comming from the missle. And that a smaller sig radius ship would "catch" less of the blast thus doing less damage.
Thus shouldn't a smart bomb do less damage the small the item is? And the faster said item is going wouldn't it also do less damage?
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:39:00 -
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Applying the same damage calculations to smartbombs as to missiles is tantamount to admitting that missiles need splash again.
But by all means, bring back the noob alt missile defense, because thats an awesome way to play the game.
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:39:00 -
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Nerf my smartbomb and i will quit eve 
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Sam Comco
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tokka Konnair
Edited by: Tokka Konnair on 12/07/2005 17:33:33
anyone have any idea where the concept of a smart bomb being a blast radiating out from the user at the centre came from?
(smart because the blast somehow doesn't affect you but only those around you)
the only thing i can think of is the Contra games ... but there must of been something that did it first ...
That's easy - The Matrix :D the ship's EMP...
CCP already got the training idea from them, as even suggested in the FAQ :P
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm
They already have fairly high cap use, short range and fitting requirements that aren't to be sniffed at (on there intended ship size at least) so I don't see why they would be nerfed.
Dont get me wrong I am not asking for a nerf. I know it must sound like it. Nor in this topic am I *****ing about missle nerf.
All I am doing is striking conversation. Nothing more nothing less.
But back on topic it seems following the "ingame" pattern of logic smart bombs should have followed the same path as missles.
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ArcticWolf
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Applying the same damage calculations to smartbombs as to missiles is tantamount to admitting that missiles need splash again.
But by all means, bring back the noob alt missile defense, because thats an awesome way to play the game.
is that noob alt missile defence the thing where you could hit F1 and then click a missile and u lock and shoot and blow it up? i loved having a friend in a maller do that to protect me :)
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DogTyred
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Deckard
Just currious but isn't the smart bomb an explosion? It has bomb in the name but I guess that doensn't mean much.
Anyway if it is an explosion wouldnt it stand to reason that it should be held accountable to the same limitations that missles are?
ffs keep quiet about the smart bomb, it's poor enough as it is, don't need no ccp nerfage... quick someone close and delete this thread :)
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 12/07/2005 17:47:53
Originally by: ArcticWolf
Originally by: Blind Fear
Applying the same damage calculations to smartbombs as to missiles is tantamount to admitting that missiles need splash again.
But by all means, bring back the noob alt missile defense, because thats an awesome way to play the game.
is that noob alt missile defence the thing where you could hit F1 and then click a missile and u lock and shoot and blow it up? i loved having a friend in a maller do that to protect me :)
no, in high sec you could just have a noob alt in a noobship sitting next to your BS, and if anyone shot a missile at you it would get hit with splash damage, and the shooter would get pwnt by concord. Basically ruined all missiles in empire wars.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: DogTyred
ffs keep quiet about the smart bomb, it's poor enough as it is, don't need no ccp nerfage... quick someone close and delete this thread :)
Yepp, it's use as an anti-missile weapon went out the window with the increase in missile speed, it's nigh to impossible to hit them now with a SB
Only the large ones are any good now against frigates dumn enough to get too close.
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Yolan
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Posted - 2005.07.12 18:00:00 -
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Yes I whole heartedly agree. They should nerf smartbombs and whilst they are at it can CCP please nerf heavy noss, and remove any ability for bships to fit anything other than large turrets and siege launchers, also reduce the tracking on turrets for bships just incase someone might try to snipe a frig.
It should be, nay MUST be CCP's #1 priority to protect frigates from any sort of attack by bships
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2005.07.12 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sam Comco
That's easy - The Matrix :D the ship's EMP...
CCP already got the training idea from them, as even suggested in the FAQ :P
no ... this concept of a smart bomb has been around longer than that ... it appears in many older video games in a similar way ... a (usualy emergency) weapon that radiates out and kills all enemies around you
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.07.12 18:36:00 -
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No. The idea as far as the missile goes is that the frigate is moving faster than the blast wave. This happens because the missile chases the target and detonates behind it, thus the target is moving away from the centre of the blast. Smartbombs, when used against frigates, are used against frigates which are orbiting, and therefore not outrunning the smartbomb's blast wave.
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duh George
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Posted - 2005.07.12 18:46:00 -
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I missile is localized explosion.. starting at the point of detonation and exploding out at a set speed the intial explosion will do the most damage and the outter radius (a fireball and shockwave) would weaken the further out you are from the inital explosion..
a Smart bomb is a Pulse of energy that move away from the ship at a fantastic speed effecting anything in it's range..
the Smart bomb would have to work under the prinicble that at a certian point the intial force would disipate(sp), thus causeing less effect.. it would stand to reason that in order to do that effectively that it would have to cause decreasing damage outside of it's main damge radius.. Thus it would stand to reason as they don't.. that the smart bomb is pre nerfed for you already :P
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.07.12 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Anderran
No. The idea as far as the missile goes is that the frigate is moving faster than the blast wave. This happens because the missile chases the target and detonates behind it, thus the target is moving away from the centre of the blast. Smartbombs, when used against frigates, are used against frigates which are orbiting, and therefore not outrunning the smartbomb's blast wave.
So if a frig is flying straight at a missle it will do more damage? nope
Maybe if a frig is flying past a smart bomb user not into the blast he will recieve less damage? nope
Forgeting movement. two targets sitting still the smart bomb does less damge on a smaller sig radius ship? nope
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.07.12 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: duh George
I missile is localized explosion.. starting at the point of detonation and exploding out at a set speed the intial explosion will do the most damage and the outter radius (a fireball and shockwave) would weaken the further out you are from the inital explosion..
a Smart bomb is a Pulse of energy that move away from the ship at a fantastic speed effecting anything in it's range..
the Smart bomb would have to work under the prinicble that at a certian point the intial force would disipate(sp), thus causeing less effect.. it would stand to reason that in order to do that effectively that it would have to cause decreasing damage outside of it's main damge radius.. Thus it would stand to reason as they don't.. that the smart bomb is pre nerfed for you already :P
If a smart bomb is nothing more than a pulse of energy how does it do kinetic damage?
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.07.12 18:57:00 -
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My pod (worth about 400 mil) got hit by a large smartbomb: i warped out: ALIVE on structure
They do not need to be nerfed
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