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Commander Ted
Sudden Buggery
Swift Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:01:00 -
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Iagus Damaclese wrote:
The above links mean nothing, I have seen fleets off both types of tanks win fights and there for I continue to stick with my original stance in that there is nothing wrong with shield tanking.
Oh by the way, I was not being condescending, I was simply agreeing with you being condescending towards yourself.
I saying that you were saying I was ignorant obviously. So either you actually thought I was calling myself ignorant or your a massive ass.
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androch
Chillwater Ltd
Persona Non Gratis
25
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:20:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Iagus Damaclese wrote:[
In the case of T1 vessels, Armor tank reigns king, why? well it probably has something to do with the fact that all vessels, ALL VESSELS, get better armor resists than they do shield resists to begin with. Dont believe me? go look for yourself. About the only vessels where Shield tanking is truely worth using in either PVP or PVE is in the case of the Tengu, and of course caldari ships as well, and even still i would not use a Tengu in PVP. Yeah sure you got all those nice shields and that nice shield booster but I just disrupted your tracking computer, started draining your cap, webbed you, warp disrupted you and I am moving at 300kms or more with a light armor tank and you wanna know why? because as it stand right now, any ship running a shield tank of any type is more than likely just barely cap stable in one way or another which even a small energy destabilizer can throw off and make worse than it is.
As I said before if anything shield tanking needs a bit of a buff, especially to the AI field II's resist boosts. Let us also not forget that shields have a more powerful omni resist buffing module so the fact they have lower base resists is not that relevant. Wut? SHield tanking is terrible for pvp? Look out for all those 200 man drake fleets and maelstroms, the fact that the most popular fits on gallente ships battlecruiser and below are shield, the fact that shield passively regenerate health and control the battlefield, also your small neut is not going to do jack **** to stop my MASSIVE asb buffer. Try using your small neut as a trump card against my shield thorax. Try the fact that the drake and shield hurricane are the two most popular battlecruisers out their, the merlin will rock the **** out of any punisher. In all the time ive been playing I don't think ive met anyone who says armor is straight up better for pvp (except on capital ships).
reactive armor hardener......also armor tankers get passive omni modules so QUIT BITCHING |
Commander Ted
Sudden Buggery
Swift Angels Alliance
461
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:22:00 -
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androch wrote:
reactive armor hardener......also armor tankers get passive omni modules so QUIT BITCHING
Reactive armor hardner is mediocre and sucks cap better than an oreck. Passive omni modules give lesser buffs overall balancing the better base resists of armor. So it is an irrelevant point.
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serras bang
Active Fusion
Cold Fusion.
59
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:23:00 -
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im gonna have to agree with lagus a lot of shield tanking ships at least active tanked ships are barely cap stable if at all and generaly the only active shield tank ships that are stable is pve ones and i mean barely stable at around 30 - 35% i.e its enough to warp of if the situation should arise.
but most are passively tank i hear you cry or use asb ? well passive tanking is a lil harder and usualy results in little pg or cpu left or not enough forcing use to sacrifice dps. as with the asb the asb has such a massive cap useage that in most situations it must run on cap boosters with btw take up a lot of room in cargo holds and take i bilieve 60 seconds to reload so it has a massive massive hole for you to exploit. |
Commander Ted
Sudden Buggery
Swift Angels Alliance
462
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:33:00 -
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serras bang wrote:im gonna have to agree with lagus a lot of shield tanking ships at least active tanked ships are barely cap stable if at all and generaly the only active shield tank ships that are stable is pve ones and i mean barely stable at around 30 - 35% i.e its enough to warp of if the situation should arise.
but most are passively tank i hear you cry or use asb ? well passive tanking is a lil harder and usualy results in little pg or cpu left or not enough forcing use to sacrifice dps. as with the asb the asb has such a massive cap useage that in most situations it must run on cap boosters with btw take up a lot of room in cargo holds and take i bilieve 60 seconds to reload so it has a massive massive hole for you to exploit.
Your ship is perfectly cap stable if your using ASBs or buffer. If your using normal boosters then go run more level 4's as this change would not affect regular active tanked shield users at all.
Don't have to tell me how the ASB works, I have flown many ASB ships and it is EXTREMELY powerful.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
1035
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:34:00 -
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serras bang wrote:im gonna have to agree with lagus a lot of shield tanking ships at least active tanked ships are barely cap stable if at all and generaly the only active shield tank ships that are stable is pve ones and i mean barely stable at around 30 - 35% i.e its enough to warp of if the situation should arise.
but most are passively tank i hear you cry or use asb ? well passive tanking is a lil harder and usualy results in little pg or cpu left or not enough forcing use to sacrifice dps. as with the asb the asb has such a massive cap useage that in most situations it must run on cap boosters with btw take up a lot of room in cargo holds and take i bilieve 60 seconds to reload so it has a massive massive hole for you to exploit.
Cap stability is irrelevant in PVP. Burst tanking and all that. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket
Swamp Bucket Empire
582
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:38:00 -
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lets wait and see what the changes to armour do first before nerfing shields. it wont make armour tanking as fast as shield tanking, but maybe the combination of the agility buff and smaller sig will work. |
Seranova Farreach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.02.05 13:09:00 -
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Naomi Anthar wrote:Seranova Farreach wrote:if the OP has actually read armor tanking 1.5 they are makeing all armor ships/plates lighter and giving a skill to make them even lighter. quit whineing cause armor is balanced vs shield atm cause of ASBs. ASBs are source of all imbalance not balance.
no they arnt asb's are what was needed by shield tankers to level the field and then people who fly armor cry cause theyr tanked hard to kill armor ships are finally on a toe to toe with shield. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
18
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:00:00 -
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A decent fix to this imo, med slot damage modules. It would remove shield tanker's advantage of being able to fill their slots that aren't required for tanking with dps raisers. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
830
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:17:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:A decent fix to this imo, med slot damage modules. It would remove shield tanker's advantage of being able to fill their slots that aren't required for tanking with dps raisers.
I don't think we need 2000 DPS glass cannon hurricanes.
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Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny
Zombie Ninja Space Bears
112
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:19:00 -
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let active shield rigs eat CPU (as active armor rigs will eat PG with patch)
let passive shield rigs lower the speed gain of AB and MWD or change tracking/dmg formular so that signature penalty actually is a penalty. |
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