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Maggot	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:53:00 - [1] Dreadnaught + Pirates = Happy pirates? Historically most pirates in eve have had to resort to killing anything that moves through the lack of a real mechanism for committing piracy. The advent of Dreadnaughts seems to bring this era to a close as they can hold a POS to ransom. Are the pirates of eve looking forward to picking up their dreads?
Kris Longknife	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Maggot Dreadnaught + Pirates = Happy pirates? Historically most pirates in eve have had to resort to killing anything that moves through the lack of a real mechanism for committing piracy. The advent of Dreadnaughts seems to bring this era to a close as they can hold a POS to ransom. Are the pirates of eve looking forward to picking up their dreads? Dont sound like piracy to me but TERROIST actions. Give us 80 million isk or we will destroy you POS Not piracy.
Maggot	Posted - 2005.07.13 12:56:00 - [3] No, a terrorist would just blow it up without warning.
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.07.13 13:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Maggot No, a terrorist would just blow it up without warning. Main Entry: terÀrorÀism Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m Function: noun 1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion 2 : violent and intimidating gang activity <street terrorism> So i guess a pirate corp holding a pos hostage could be called space terrorists A question, what happens if you blow up the storage/refinery when they are loaded with minerals? Do the minerals drop in a can or something or do they blow up? ______________________ Pod from above.
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.07.13 13:17:00 - [5] Edited by: Feta Solamnia on 13/07/2005 13:17:24 a pirate wih a dreadnough? lol How on earth is a pirate going to make the isk to buy a dread? Unless he's an ex-market person or some rich persons fighting alt, I don't see it happening. Dreads are supposedly alliance/corp assets. Also, a pirate jumping in a sol with a dread is begging to be ganked. Dreads are logically moved in groups and/or escorts of lots of bs. Pirates on the other hand are unable to meet head-on a serious military force and always make the tactical descision to run, hence all that frequent local smacktalk. I see the dread as a military operation tool and not a hit-n-run pirate tactic. They just don't fit together. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2005.07.13 13:21:00 - [6] Terrorists motivated by political and ideoligcal means. Pirates are ISK. And you are referring to the lone ganka pirate. There are other types of Yarrs! with lots of cash indeed. - "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.07.13 13:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Feta Solamnia Edited by: Feta Solamnia on 13/07/2005 13:17:24 a pirate wih a dreadnough? lol How on earth is a pirate going to make the isk to buy a dread? Unless he's an ex-market person or some rich persons fighting alt, I don't see it happening. Dreads are supposedly alliance/corp assets. Also, a pirate jumping in a sol with a dread is begging to be ganked. Dreads are logically moved in groups and/or escorts of lots of bs. Pirates on the other hand are unable to meet head-on a serious military force and always make the tactical descision to run, hence all that frequent local smacktalk. I see the dread as a military operation tool and not a hit-n-run pirate tactic. They just don't fit together. I'll have you know, not all pirates are poor fellows. Some of us are actually good at what we do. For fighting, its useless to a pirate but it would be useful for wiping out POSs. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Vlad Morrolan	Posted - 2005.07.13 13:44:00 - [8] Actually, I could see dreadnaughts opening up an oppourtunity for actual low-sec pirating again. A dreadnaugh could sit at the gate with a 20km scrambler and webber, and some sniper BSs out of sentry gun range, and the dread tanks the guns and holds the victims, and you can ransom people in low sec again. Hehehe, dreadnaught as a tackler-tank. Would be nice for everyone to be able to ransom people in low sec instead of having to just gank them.
Rasta Rocketman	Posted - 2005.07.13 13:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Feta Solamnia Edited by: Feta Solamnia on 13/07/2005 13:17:24 a pirate wih a dreadnough? lol How on earth is a pirate going to make the isk to buy a dread? Unless he's an ex-market person or some rich persons fighting alt, I don't see it happening. Dreads are supposedly alliance/corp assets. Also, a pirate jumping in a sol with a dread is begging to be ganked. Dreads are logically moved in groups and/or escorts of lots of bs. Pirates on the other hand are unable to meet head-on a serious military force and always make the tactical descision to run, hence all that frequent local smacktalk. I see the dread as a military operation tool and not a hit-n-run pirate tactic. They just don't fit together. I'll have you know, not all pirates are poor fellows. Some of us are actually good at what we do. For fighting, its useless to a pirate but it would be useful for wiping out POSs. Agreed. Some pirates fight very carefully, taking only fight they are sure of winning. If they follow that philosophy, they become pretty rich. Others of us just fight for fun, and take on long odds, risky fights...guys like us are much more poor but have more fun (I used to fight very carefully but got terribly bored doing it). Anyway bottom line is some pirates can afford dreads. I kinda like the idea of piracy/terrorism using dreads, not sure how feasible it is yet though. _______________________________________________
Icarus Thorne	Posted - 2005.07.13 15:23:00 - [10] Where's the use in paying a ransom? So you shell out 80 million ISK, and then three days later the next group comes along to demand money. Or maybe even the same group over again. It's pointless.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.07.13 15:28:00 - [11] Best Pirates I know have people working for them and own a station. Seemed pretty smart to me. Control the area as well gain isk from refine tax from 0.0 miners. So yeah can you say rich? -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Nostradamu5	Posted - 2005.07.13 15:32:00 - [12] I would like the ability to eject loaded modules into space, or if you're warped scrambled allow the scrambler to remove modules or just about anything from your holds. Then you would see some real pirating. Faulty testing kept me from delivering the "Logic Editor" earlier. I was using my own post and it kept blanking everything out.
Rasta Rocketman	Posted - 2005.07.13 16:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Icarus Thorne Where's the use in paying a ransom? So you shell out 80 million ISK, and then three days later the next group comes along to demand money. Or maybe even the same group over again. It's pointless. not really. It is very, very, very difficult for a pirate to actually catch and lock down your ship given the game mechanics of eve, so if you get caught at all you have been careless. The point is pay the man, get away with your ship and mods and don't get caught again. You should be much wiser after the first ransom, and able to avoid them in the future. _______________________________________________
Icarus Thorne	Posted - 2005.07.13 23:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Icarus Thorne on 13/07/2005 23:51:06 Originally by: Rasta Rocketman Originally by: Icarus Thorne Where's the use in paying a ransom? So you shell out 80 million ISK, and then three days later the next group comes along to demand money. Or maybe even the same group over again. It's pointless. not really. It is very, very, very difficult for a pirate to actually catch and lock down your ship given the game mechanics of eve, so if you get caught at all you have been careless. The point is pay the man, get away with your ship and mods and don't get caught again. You should be much wiser after the first ransom, and able to avoid them in the future. True for ships, but the guy was talking about POS's, which tend to be left in one place. You can pack up and move, but it's a hassle, and there's nothing to prevent it from then being ransomed at its new location.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.07.14 00:08:00 - [15] Pirates historically has been sporting smaller faster vessels to do hit and runs, not massive siege engines. I hope CCP comes up with something preventing pirates from flying dreadnaughts or titans or it'll be all she wrote on POS'. Convert Stations
Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.07.14 00:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Maggot Historically most pirates in eve have had to resort to killing anything that moves through the lack of a real mechanism for committing piracy. The reason why pirates did not try to web, warpjam and ransom is not that it isnt possible, its that its alot more work. Just like all the rest of us pirates are lazy and want fast results, doing piracy with webbers, warpjammers and so on meens alot of extra work, if you just blow everything you see out of the skies and pick the stuff upp with an alt in a hauler then you do it the lazy way.

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