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Gaston Mileghere Duvolle Exploration 1	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:08:00 - [1] - Quote Can someone please tell me how is it theoretically possible to warp through rigid bodies like planets? I've been trying to understand this idea and it's bugging me hardcore..
Xindi Kraid The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 127	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:14:00 - [2] - Quote Um err you see . . . magnets
Whitehound 603	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:16:00 - [3] - Quote Try drinking a lot. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog
MadMuppet Three Fish In A Box 756	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:16:00 - [4] - Quote Neo looks around the room, and sees he is the only adult there. Most of the children's heads are shaved. Some are playing, others meditating, or practising their gift. Neo watches in amazement, as a little girl levitates wooden alphabet blocks. He turns around, and sees a skinny bald boy sitting on the floor, holding a spoon, which sways and twists as he bends it with his mind. Neo crosses over to him, and sits in front of him, interested. The boy looks at Neo as he picks up a spoon and tries to imitate the boy's actions. Despite his best efforts, Neo cannot make it bend. Spoon Boy : Do not try and bend the spoon...that's impossible. _Instead_ only try to realize the truth... Neo : What truth? Spoon Boy : There is no spoon. Neo : There is no spoon? Spoon Boy : Then you will see, it is not the _spoon_ that bends, it is only yourself. Neo gets the spoon and looks at it. This time he is able to bend it with his mind. It bends, curls round, and bends again. He is fascinated. I mine in EVE because I'm too drunk to fish in WoW.-á
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7325	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:17:00 - [5] - Quote Because CCP doesn't want us imitating meteor strikes in order to kill the dust bunnies "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 766	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:18:00 - [6] - Quote bi-liquid flux multipliers, mate basically, right, if you imagine space as a carpet, right, we can do a thought experiment. there's this like cat pee stain in the middle, and the ship is like an elongated apple, the planet is the flat above you. The carpet is being held about waist-height by four men each holding a corner, but as it's a pentagonal carpet one corner isn't held, which is the corner nearest magnetic north. We drop a frog into the middle of the carpet and it gets eaten by the cat on tuesdays. That's how warp drives work.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 4422	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:19:00 - [7] - Quote Your warp engines produce a warp bubble which envelops your entire ship. Once it's formed it's almost impossible for you to interact with the real world until the bubble collapses. The only thing you can do is detect some gravity signals, which allow the ship to accurately navigate in warp.
Whitehound 603	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:19:00 - [8] - Quote MadMuppet wrote: Neo looks around the room, and sees he is the only adult there. Most of the children's heads are shaved. Some are playing, others meditating, or practising their gift. Neo watches in amazement, as a little girl levitates wooden alphabet blocks. He turns around, and sees a skinny bald boy sitting on the floor, holding a spoon, which sways and twists as he bends it with his mind. Neo crosses over to him, and sits in front of him, interested. The boy looks at Neo as he picks up a spoon and tries to imitate the boy's actions. Despite his best efforts, Neo cannot make it bend. Spoon Boy : Do not try and bend the spoon...that's impossible. _Instead_ only try to realize the truth... Neo : What truth? Spoon Boy : There is no spoon. Neo : There is no spoon? Spoon Boy : Then you will see, it is not the _spoon_ that bends, it is only yourself. Neo gets the spoon and looks at it. This time he is able to bend it with his mind. It bends, curls round, and bends again. He is fascinated. It is true. It really happened. I saw it in a... SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog
TigerXtrm Cold Lazarus Inc.. Black Thorne Alliance 57	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:20:00 - [9] - Quote Because a warp tunnel is made in sub-space. Or something. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQMIxAKqsUA
stoicfaux 2283	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:27:00 - [10] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: Your warp engines produce a warp bubble which envelops your entire ship. Once it's formed it's almost impossible for you to interact with the real world until the bubble collapses. The only thing you can do is detect some gravity signals, which allow the ship to accurately navigate in warp. This. But only if you ignore the fact that we can see the "real" universe which implies that light interacts with us, and since light has mass, that would imply that we actually do interact with the universe while warping which implies that warping through a planet should be a bad idea. OTOH, the light we see while in a warp tunnel doesn't appear warped by relativity. Which has all sorts of interesting connotations when one simultaneously traveling faster and slower than the speed of light.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 957	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:31:00 - [11] - Quote Wait...you mean Eve spaceships and universe are not grounded in real physics? Sir, you have shattered my dreams that I was, in part, training for NASA. This is not a signature.
Gaston Mileghere Duvolle Exploration 1	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:52:00 - [12] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: Your warp engines produce a warp bubble which envelops your entire ship. Once it's formed it's almost impossible for you to interact with the real world until the bubble collapses. The only thing you can do is detect some gravity signals, which allow the ship to accurately navigate in warp. Thank you, must be the only adult (mentally) in this thread.
Nathaniel Schereau Obstergo Exhale. 17	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:52:00 - [13] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Your warp engines produce a warp bubble which envelops your entire ship. Once it's formed it's almost impossible for you to interact with the real world until the bubble collapses. The only thing you can do is detect some gravity signals, which allow the ship to accurately navigate in warp. This. But only if you ignore the fact that we can see the "real" universe which implies that light interacts with us, and since light has mass, that would imply that we actually do interact with the universe while warping which implies that warping through a planet should be a bad idea. OTOH, the light we see while in a warp tunnel doesn't appear warped by relativity. Which has all sorts of interesting connotations when one simultaneously traveling faster and slower than the speed of light. Please correct me if im wrong, but I thought photons had no mass. (?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photons They call me Nate, Handsome Nate.
Gaston Mileghere Duvolle Exploration 1	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:54:00 - [14] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Wait...you mean Eve spaceships and universe are not grounded in real physics? Sir, you have shattered my dreams that I was, in part, training for NASA. Yes, real physics and also theoretical science fiction physics. They talked a little about it in my Orbital Mechanics class but wanted more info/thoughts on this. They just scratched the surface (no pun intended).
Rain6637 Team Evil 433	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:12:00 - [15] - Quote MadMuppet wrote: Neo looks around the room, and sees he is the only adult there. Most of the children's heads are shaved. Some are playing, others meditating, or practising their gift. Neo watches in amazement, as a little girl levitates wooden alphabet blocks. He turns around, and sees a skinny bald boy sitting on the floor, holding a spoon, which sways and twists as he bends it with his mind. Neo crosses over to him, and sits in front of him, interested. The boy looks at Neo as he picks up a spoon and tries to imitate the boy's actions. Despite his best efforts, Neo cannot make it bend. Spoon Boy : Do not try and bend the spoon...that's impossible. _Instead_ only try to realize the truth... Neo : What truth? Spoon Boy : There is no spoon. Neo : There is no spoon? Spoon Boy : Then you will see, it is not the _spoon_ that bends, it is only yourself. Neo gets the spoon and looks at it. This time he is able to bend it with his mind. It bends, curls round, and bends again. He is fascinated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO0pcWxcROI thank you for that. http://themittani.com/ \| http://evenews24.com/ \|\|-áVincent Athena, I made something for you: http://i.imgur.com/hrxcc.jpg
Anell Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:22:00 - [16] - Quote Not only does it make sense that solid objects not interact with a warping ship it is absolutely essentially for warp drives to work at all. First of all flying anywhere in a solar system faster then the speed of light is deadly from shifting gravitational fields. Gravity alone would rip apart anything into tiny itty bitty bits instantly if it could interact with an object moving faster then the speed of light. If somehow gravity did not affect a ship then anything else solid would. Forget planets for a second, a particle of dust hitting something going faster then speed of light would produce devastation on par with nuclear explosions. Bigger things would produce bigger booms. Therefore we know that anything traveling faster then the speed of light must not interact with objects in normal space. How does this happen? Heck if we knew that we could do it for real. However it is easy reasonable to assume for purposes of EVE canon that a field is being produced (bubble if you prefer) that removes the ship from normal space and allows it to not interact with anything in normal space. How does the pilot still see things then? The answer is they don't. The pilot is in a pod of goo and there are no windows. There are little camera drones everywhere around their ship (these are never seen in game but they are part of the backstory) and they send signals to the pilot so they "see" what is happening. There is no sound in space but the pilot hears explosions etc. This is all from the camera drones interpreting events and sending data to the pilot so they are better oriented. Same applies to the warp field, normal space does not interact with a warping ship but information is interpreted as to what it would look like so the pilot is able to function more efficiently. Tada, the canon explanation! Also there is a wizard.
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 1202	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:24:00 - [17] - Quote Because physics. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Arline Kley PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 96	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:37:00 - [18] - Quote Think of spaces as layers of an onion - the outer most layer is what we interact with in day to day activities with each layer beneath it unable to interact with the layers above and below. Your warp drive effectively shunts you down a few layers (with certain ships able to go down deeper down, and thus travel faster as the distance is smaller), meaning that you can pass through said objects as if they didn't exist. This is also how warp interdiction bubbles works - it is essentially like stabbing a knife through the various layers of space and blocking out the pre defined location - the ships computer automatically pulls the ship out of warp to save it becoming lost forever - Only T3 ships have this immunity due to being able to counteract the non targeted interdiction on the fly Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows
Kalle Demos Ironic Corp Name 154	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:55:00 - [19] - Quote Didnt they fix this? I remember in one of the visual content only expansions this was fixed
Maire Gheren Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:00:00 - [20] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: OTOH, the light we see while in a warp tunnel doesn't appear warped by relativity. Which has all sorts of interesting connotations when one simultaneously traveling faster and slower than the speed of light. For one, we aren't using normal senses to see, so we see whatever the ships' sensor schema delivers. For another, if we are seeing a series of snapshots of photons at sequential stationary points along our path, there would be no dopplering at all.
Spurty V0LTA Verge of Collapse 787	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:10:00 - [21] - Quote because of LORE (not law). --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. ****
Insenia Rascope Sanguinary Photon 14	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:23:00 - [22] - Quote http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive As far as I understand this theory, you create a bubble around your ship which contains local 'normal-spacetime'. You can displace this entire bubble towards another point in our three-dimensional space. So, you don't travel through anything, you transport local space through higher dimensions towards your destination
Kathern Aurilen State War Academy Caldari State 14	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:30:00 - [23] - Quote MadMuppet wrote: Neo looks around the room, and sees he is the only adult there. Most of the children's heads are shaved. Some are playing, others meditating, or practising their gift. Neo watches in amazement, as a little girl levitates wooden alphabet blocks. He turns around, and sees a skinny bald boy sitting on the floor, holding a spoon, which sways and twists as he bends it with his mind. Neo crosses over to him, and sits in front of him, interested. The boy looks at Neo as he picks up a spoon and tries to imitate the boy's actions. Despite his best efforts, Neo cannot make it bend. Spoon Boy : Do not try and bend the spoon...that's impossible. _Instead_ only try to realize the truth... Neo : What truth? Spoon Boy : There is no spoon. Neo : There is no spoon? Spoon Boy : Then you will see, it is not the _spoon_ that bends, it is only yourself. Neo gets the spoon and looks at it. This time he is able to bend it with his mind. It bends, curls round, and bends again. He is fascinated. So true on a literal sense...
Optimo Sebiestor The Society Calyxes 144	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:30:00 - [24] - Quote Wait.. We warp through bodies?
stoicfaux 2284	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:37:00 - [25] - Quote Nathaniel Schereau wrote: stoicfaux wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Your warp engines produce a warp bubble which envelops your entire ship. Once it's formed it's almost impossible for you to interact with the real world until the bubble collapses. The only thing you can do is detect some gravity signals, which allow the ship to accurately navigate in warp. This. But only if you ignore the fact that we can see the "real" universe which implies that light interacts with us, and since light has mass, that would imply that we actually do interact with the universe while warping which implies that warping through a planet should be a bad idea. OTOH, the light we see while in a warp tunnel doesn't appear warped by relativity. Which has all sorts of interesting connotations when one simultaneously traveling faster and slower than the speed of light. Please correct me if im wrong, but I thought photons had no mass. (?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photons You are correct. And this is why I'm not a physicist in RL. OTOH, being able to observe visible light while in warp implies some level of interactivity with normal space. OTOH^2 when warping through a planet with a molten core, we should see a lot of light, so maybe the warp tunnel going opaque when traveling through planets is a defensive measure? (i.e. the warp bubble blocks everything when traveling through massive objects.)
Arduemont Tempest Legion 1185	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:42:00 - [26] - Quote This thread is so full with people's terrible interpretations of physics that it makes me want to throw books at them. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 957	Posted - 2013.02.03 17:33:00 - [27] - Quote Arduemont wrote: This thread is so full with people's terrible interpretations of physics that it makes me want to throw books at them. If you wish to throw the works of Graham Greene or John Steinbeck at me, please do not hesitate to do so. I am just over here in this direction, not in a warp bubble, or travelling at anything like the speed of light, so it should be easy; and not break, or need to invent any laws of physics. Thank you in advance. This is not a signature.
Arduemont Tempest Legion 1185	Posted - 2013.02.03 17:47:00 - [28] - Quote I would rather throw rather the works of Heisenberg at you, and then shout "Where is that book?" whilst it is at it's maximum velocity. Debating the physics inside of a computer game is daft at the best of times. Here's a more interesting question for you, but first some background for those of you who are not as big a geek as I am.. Time runs slower in instances of lower gravity, relative to other instances of space time. So, Astronauts who go to the moon etc are actually living in an instance where time is running slower than it was running down on earth. When Astronauts come back from space they have experiences less time than we have on earth. So if two theoretical twins were born EXACTLY at the same time, one could go into space and come back younger than their sibling. Now, in a warp bubble, you have separated yourself into your own instance of space time, separate from normal space time and therefore unaffected by the gravity of anything in normal space time. This would mean that you are in an instance of space time with almost infinitely less gravity. So, if you spend 2 seconds in warp that could work out as millions of years for those outside of your isolated space time "bubble". Space time. Why isn't that in the game, eh? (There is a theory that would negate the above about time in warp bubbles etc, but I can't be bothered to go into it.) Hell, you would see game changing portions of this phenomenon just by warping to the outer reaches of a solar system. So, let's say your in a safe spot waiting to warp in to help a friend. You are off grid 14 AU from anything. Now, even though you would receive their call for you to warp in simultaneously with quantum computing it could be hours before you arrived there for him, even though the journey would only take seconds for you. You see now why talking about physics in relation to a computer game is pointless? "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 417	Posted - 2013.02.03 20:20:00 - [29] - Quote Anell wrote: Also there is a wizard. Or possibly a Technomage. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
Jonah Gravenstein The Burning Lotus 5326	Posted - 2013.02.03 20:45:00 - [30] - Quote During warp you aren't actually moving, the universe is moving around you. There's a joke in there somewhere about changing a lightbulb and politcians. Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy.

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