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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.15 12:37:00 -
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I've posted this suggestion somewhere else, so at the risk of repeating myself...
Eve is getting dull. I love the game, but it needs content and excitement. Easy fix for it is this: basically take concord and police out of every 0.6 and below sector in the game. Personally, I don't see the need for 10 grades of security - basically space should be either safe or unsafe. Whats the point in having all these sec levels if the police bash you anyway whether your in 0.9 or 0.2? Doesn't make any sense.
At the moment the police step in everywhere bar 0.0 - that sucks. Newbies stick to safe space, the rest of us, get it on. Simple. Whilst we're all trying to nail each other, CCP can get on with fixing the trading and the market place.
In conclusion: there should be 2 sec levels Safe, Not Safe. Makes trade runs far more interesting and drives up player co-operation.
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.07.15 13:37:00 -
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Couldnt agree with you more :)
Safe space = An incy bitsy sector right in the middle!
And unsafe = all the rest around it :)
Sector levels of security are absolutly worthless Police who needs em? look after yourself.
The carebears wanted safe and thats what you've now got. Dull and boring for all :)
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Sato Kayim
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Posted - 2003.07.15 14:15:00 -
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Agreed. Pull back empire space a little. Its too large. Let the carebears play in the middle and make the non-empire space have better ore, NPC pirates and places to explore.
Its so easy....really....
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RazorDreamz
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Posted - 2003.07.15 18:41:00 -
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Empire space is fine the size it is, just need to add pockets of low sec space throughout it. And the highway is very lame and needs to go. To jump between empires is now no-risk, should be some risk variable in there.
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Sev
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Posted - 2003.07.15 19:09:00 -
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Well when I was a noob I never once got podded, and that was before the changes. Now? I want to have some PVP action and can't bloody find any...
>< THIS close to unsubbing and continuing my quest for a true PVP game to complement wwiionline, which is the only one that actually allows you to kill people...
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BraK
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Posted - 2003.07.15 20:55:00 -
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errr
Edited by: BraK on 15/07/2003 20:56:24
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Arwenn
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Posted - 2003.07.15 20:56:00 -
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Maybe the people who acted like jackasses killing everyone in sight for no reason should blame themselves for the current state of Eve.
Using exploits, cheats, whatever you want to call it... fact is you did it to yourselves.
Because CCP obviously got a hell of a lot more complaints about pirates then carebears or they would not have made the changes they did. It's simple math.
Wheather carebares right or pirates are right is irrevelent.
You dont like the way it is, go play Counter Strike or Unreal Tournament you can kill all day there and nobody will complain.
CCP is only listening to what the MAJORITY of their customers are saying!
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2003.07.15 20:59:00 -
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Unfortunately the majority is generally irrational and uninformed, and when they whine about something new, and merily send Eve even further on its way to a complete mining simulation, the players that really appreciated the game will leave,and the nubs will realize the game turned into a mining simulation, and they will go play Doom 3. So in the end, listening to teh majority will likely lead to Eve dying, and so CCP shouldnt do it. =)
"Because CCP obviously got a hell of a lot more complaints about pirates then carebears or they would not have made the changes they did. It's simple math."
The pirates were not complaining about carebears before CCP put CONCORD battleships at gates and nerfed turrets, so I don't think your comment is very good. =/
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 15/07/2003 21:02:02
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.15 21:02:00 -
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<< CCP is only listening to what the MAJORITY of their customers are saying! >>
No they're not. The majority of their customers never spoke.
The majority of their customers were never involved in a m0o blockade in Mara/Passari.
The majority of their customers don't use these forums.
The majority of their customers had never seen Lord Zap's picture until they posted it on a billboard.
This change was brought on by a minority. A vocal one, but a minority still. Because, even if you just completely ignore the numbers which prove less than 1% of the population had an encounter in Mara/Passari (or other known blockades), common sense will tell you it was physically impossible for the majority to ever have encountered m0o.
And too many people are saying now to change it back
Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/07/2003 21:03:08
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.15 21:05:00 -
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How long are you going to quote that "Less than 1% were affected by the Mara/Passari situation" statistic, Jash?
It is old, outdated, and most likely incorrect.
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2003.07.15 21:07:00 -
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The problem with this "vocal" majority (the majority of those that actually said something to CCP) is that they are little whiney babies. People with some intelligence and have graduated middle school had generally found ways around M0o and such. Those that got podded over and over were podded due to laziness and lack of awareness to pirate blockades on their part, so its their fault.
It's like NASCAR, sure if would be safer if the cars never got in crashes, but who the F*CK wants to go watch cars do left turns all day w/o the thought that you could see some cars get trashed, hopefully flip over, and explode in a ball of flames, with the pilot surviving of course. X-)
Edited by: Letifer Deus on 15/07/2003 21:10:30
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Galk
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Posted - 2003.07.15 21:18:00 -
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"Maybe the people who acted like jackasses killing everyone in sight for no reason should blame themselves for the current state of Eve.
Using exploits, cheats, whatever you want to call it... fact is you did it to yourselves."
This is exactly 100% true.
I won't go into calling people names, it's not my style.
Maybe that says something about the people that do that though:(
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.15 21:38:00 -
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<< How long are you going to quote that "Less than 1% were affected by the Mara/Passari situation" statistic, Jash?
It is old, outdated, and most likely incorrect. >>
Do take a look ingame right now. Pull up the map and filter by poddings. Count them up. I get around 145 in the last 24 hours. That's actually higher than some days when m0o was operating their blockade.
Now go hop over to Eve-I.com 5120 Live System Users. That's only a snapshot. Do the math with just the snapshot. Just with the snapshot you get 2.8%. But we know for a fact those 5120 people weren't the only ones playing for the last 24 hours. As the number of total users increases the percentage decreases.
Industry norm is to multiply the peak online by 4 to get the total users (conservatively). We'll play even nicer and multiple by 2. You're down to 1.2% and it just sinks from there.
Old? Maybe. Dated? Maybe most likely incorrect? Hardly.
Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/07/2003 21:38:52
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Miner Habib
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Posted - 2003.07.15 21:39:00 -
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Yes I agree with the topic post...
I have played UO and AC a ton. In UO there were basically safe/not-safe area (before carebare land split) and it worked very well. In AC (Darktide) there were no safe areas. It made the game hard for newbies but once u got on ur feet it only got funner. I am relatively new to EVE (1.5 mo) and I have been able to mass a couple of frigs and a decent supply line. I mine and fight NPC pirates but I have yet to die once. No ship kaboom, no podding.
Eve needs greater threats. PC or NPC.
One idea that I had was to have some sort of "gravity hole" or something. In this gravity hole no ships can warp out of..u simply have to fly around in it. Then CCP can tie it into their lame storyline that they expand upon only when necessary to justify bugs. Since its a gravity hole most communication will be cut-off. Say u can only talk through local channel. On that same note the communication to the newbie-saving CCP police is cutoff so PK at will. blah
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.15 21:43:00 -
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Did you count the number of different players complaining about M0O?
Did you count the number of players in the Mara/Passari area?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.15 21:50:00 -
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<< Did you count the number of different players complaining about M0O? >>
Count them, no. Can't count the petition queue.
<< Did you count the number of players in the Mara/Passari area? >>
Rather frequently, actually. The highest I ever saw was aroound 260 in a day between Mara/Passari.
If more than 260 petitioned that day, they were never involved. You can be as outraged as you want to be. That's your option and you're entitled to it. But that doesn't change the fact that most of that outcry wasn't based on any actual experience with a pirate.
Here's a question for you Joshua:
How many times were you caught by m0o?
Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/07/2003 21:51:10
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Tigrana Blanque
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Posted - 2003.07.16 00:11:00 -
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Jash:
You sure post a lot for someone who whines about a 'vocal minority'.
So the problem isn't that they're vocal, or a minority...its that they're not the vocal minority on *your* side. Ever consider that the two extreme crowds (all vs. non PvP) are *both* minorities? Pardon the expression, but some of us swing both ways. We just likes to choose. I go to a risky system looking for profit, I accept that being attacked and having to defend myself is part of it. I may even go hunting myself in the future....and not necessarily just as a bounty hunter, depending on circumstances and opportunities.
FWIW I do think Concord/SG response in less than 0.5's is a bit overboard. But all the whining as if the current state of the game is the absolute end product its ever going to be in from the "pro PvP gamer" namecalling crowd is pretty funny.
Give CCP a little credit that they can yet change...if you and others take a step away from the nerf bats and namecalling to make constructive comments. This last major change was too much, granted. With a little positive reinforcement the next one might be back into a balance most are willing to abide by. Not every change is a "nerf". Yet you and your type are doing exactly what you accuse the 'carebear' crowd of doing: whining loudly, monotonically, and often, that if you don't get the absolute thing you demand the entire universe will end.
Get over yourselves, please.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.16 00:31:00 -
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<< Give CCP a little credit that they can yet change...if you and others take a step away from the nerf bats and namecalling to make constructive comments. This last major change was too much, granted. With a little positive reinforcement the next one might be back into a balance most are willing to abide by. Not every change is a "nerf". Yet you and your type are doing exactly what you accuse the 'carebear' crowd of doing: whining loudly, monotonically, and often, that if you don't get the absolute thing you demand the entire universe will end. >>
Sorry, after 2 weeks of credit we got this:
32.) Are "griefers" and cheaters being chased after? Could you describe as much as is allowed, what CCP is doing to keep all players on an "even as possible" playing field?
Hrafnkell S. Ėskarsson: "Players that persist in harasing other players or that try to cheat are banned. Several players have already be banned from the game."
Mike Wallis: "We absolutely investigate each and every reported incident of exploiters or cheaters. Under no circumstances should players be allowed to take advantage of the system through these methods. As for "griefers," we've pushed them outside of Empire-controlled space by deploying increased police NPC protection within the protected systems, and also by setting up powerful sentry guns at all stargates within Empire space. We have also seen a more involved response from the player community to actions by player-pirates, which is exactly what we wanted to see. Our goal isn't to create a level playing field. Our goal is to give the players the tools to achieve and excel -- it's the nature of a fully free market environment."
There's another thread already started about it and the trolling has died down for the moment. Feel free to say they didn't mean to call all the pirates "griefers" or say that they discarded a portion of their customers with nary a thought.
Me, I'm rather disgusted with the comment and moreso with the lack of comment here, where the people that pay them hang out.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Gone2mars
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Posted - 2003.07.16 00:41:00 -
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I couldn't agree more with this post...
I love the game, but since the patch, the game has started to get seriously boring for me.. The Empire space is just too huge.. Take away those bloody sentry guns in 0.6 and less.
Oh yeah, CCP? Fix the bloody market... all the Buy and sell prices are the same!
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2003.07.16 08:13:00 -
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Agreed Mr Poster
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.07.16 08:54:00 -
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i think some people seem to have missed the point on this topic here.
At the moment, Eve is too safe. Fact. There should be areas that are 100% for newbs. Nobody is arguing with that. But, this area is too big and is suffocating the game. There is no incentive at the moment to jump to another system, ie the lanes are too safe and theres no unique items there. If your a trader and your from Duripant and you want to travel to Chaven to trade, it should be crap your pants time, not, "autopilot, nip off to make a nice cup of tea". That sucks ass. If also means that you need an escort, which means if your on your own, co-operating with someone. Which makes for a richer gaming experience.
My point about making space more unsafe, is not that I want to go around blasting things Quake style, but to encourage co-operation and roleplaying. Do you see know?
Also, I want to see Lord Zap and his cohorts, menancing the space lanes, right up to 2 or 3 jumps from my safe destination. Its fun. What is the point of banishing them to 0.0 space? Where the hell fun is that? If you're a newb, fine, don't venture out until you're ready. Or join a corp. For the rest of us, lets play the game properly.
Yours
Bored of mining and hitting crap pirates.
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DeusXi
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Posted - 2003.07.16 10:08:00 -
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www.darkspace.net 100% pure true PvP, both slow/dull/boreing and fast action/instant gratification available. small download, 10 bucks a month... bye
oh, hope you like all the content
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Aelita
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Posted - 2003.07.16 11:16:00 -
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This game PvP is QUAKE style now, but problem is you can't get gear as in QUAKE you need work on it for weeks and then loose it as in QUAKE!
It's way how CCP want implement PvP? IT'S NOT A PVP!
Empire space has no content. In this space is nothing actually, no ores, no pirates with drop. Yea actually even 0.0 space has no ores and no loot drop because someone from CCP decide that economic in EVE does oevrheat.
Actaully being killed in PvP mean end with play because gear can't be replaced...
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