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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.14 14:29:00 -
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Hi
Was this discussed in the last two years? I like the EvE Idea that you can learn other races ships - but why not boost the own ships a little bit?
Cheers, Bit
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Plim
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Posted - 2005.07.14 14:42:00 -
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Because players shouldn't be gimped just because they want to fly the ships of other races.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.07.14 15:05:00 -
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An interesting and valid idea, but no. It wouldn't make the game any better, we're almost learning things too fast already.
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Frost Killer
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:19:00 -
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Truely I've always liked this idea. The only reason why people pick a certain race anymore is...
1) Story Line
2) Starting Stats
3) Might get a little boost in a ship they want right away
We should have racial training. Like Caldari would learn certain items that pretain to there race slightly faster then others. But it wouldn't gimp other races. Weather it be from ship, electronics, drones, engineering, mechanical, and weapons. Truely a bit of boost per race would be quiet nice to see where actually being a race will help you realistically in one way or another other then starting stats.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Frost Killer
Truely I've always liked this idea. The only reason why people pick a certain race anymore is...
1) Story Line
2) Starting Stats
3) Might get a little boost in a ship they want right away
We should have racial training. Like Caldari would learn certain items that pretain to there race slightly faster then others. But it wouldn't gimp other races. Weather it be from ship, electronics, drones, engineering, mechanical, and weapons. Truely a bit of boost per race would be quiet nice to see where actually being a race will help you realistically in one way or another other then starting stats.
I can give ya another reason... Why I picked my race...
I didn't know any better 
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:54:00 -
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sure, IF i(and other players) can change race b4 this happens.
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2005.07.14 18:56:00 -
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I really like this idea.
Each race should have a "bonus" skill set that they are able to learn at say 125% normal speed.
Race specific ship skills.
Race specific weapon skills.
Race specific drone skills.
Then perhaps even "job" specific bonuses. Like if you choose to be a trader you would learn the trade skills faster ect...
Of course I think 2 other things would also have to be done in tandom with this change.
1) Charcter creation instructions with explinations of skill training and bonuses would need to be posted on EvE Homepage and explained before the "create new charcter" interface comes up in game.
2) For us old timers we would need an additional skill or a place in EvE to purchase for ISK where we could "change our race",.... "Genetic Resequencing". Further CCP would have to limit that changer to once per charcter to avoid abuse.
I started EvE on like day 2 and had NO CLUE about the races, I chose caldari because they looked more "human" and the back story was more "commanding" then the others. I have since discovered that I am actually Amaar.
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El Principe
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Posted - 2005.07.14 19:14:00 -
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This topic has been brought up alot. I for one, I support it.. Caldari forever (I got 27M SP and can only fly caldari BS, and im combat only, 8M SP in missles, babe!  )
The reason this has failed in the past, was CCP's stance to not ( or at least making the greatest effort not to) limit the progression of characters.
However. with the latest patch, and the previous two. they seem to have moved towards almost forcing, at least to some degree, specialization. and now 'professions' which take millions of SP just to start up in, with millions more in advancement, seem to further contradict this old school stance.
I think this is slowly starting to become a possibility. but dont count on it to happen within the lifetime of your char 
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Santiac
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Posted - 2005.07.14 19:17:00 -
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Personally, i thought there already was this feature in the game? Granted not by race specifications, but by chosing a costum set path during your characters "school" process, aswell as increasements in stats when choosing bloodline?
I'm a bit indifferent about it, i dont care if it'll take someone else who is the same race as the racial type items i prefer less time training up specific skills that revovle around those items. But to be honest, i can't see the "logic" (granted no game should ever have to make logic, and most of the time it's lack thereoff that makes it interresting ;P) in a race that invented this or that technology well over a couple of decades ago, should be able to learn them any faster then another race, that was taught the technology from the race that invented it.
On the other hand it would make sense that a jove char (if or when) would be able to train their own items faster, since they would only just have begun teaching their bwad dark secwet technology to all the headless chickens flying about that is us. But if people were allowed to create jove characters, the sensible way of allowing a newborn jove player character to get a headstart, would be to allow them to costumize their starting skills (jove frigate, <other jove specific related items/skills>, etc.) during character creation, which is how it already is :)
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Arrd Ironhand
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Posted - 2005.07.14 22:11:00 -
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It shouldn't be any harder to learn another races technology, after all all the races are still human. It's like saying it should be harder to learn to drive a french car then an american.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.07.14 23:32:00 -
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French cars are much harder.
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Raven Dru
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Posted - 2005.07.15 09:40:00 -
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American cars are laughable, much like flyng a Raven after the missile nerf  |
Mitens Nauro
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Posted - 2005.07.15 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mitens Nauro on 15/07/2005 09:59:07
Originally by: El Principe
8M SP in missles, babe!
So you have already trained 2,624M skill points for new missile skills? All "Old" missile skills at L5 is 5,376M skill points. You must have insane perc and will attributes 
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.07.15 09:57:00 -
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I like the idea. Although I don't think it should be faster to train your race, just longer to train others'.
Originally by: Morela
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.07.15 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Edited by: LUKEC on 14/07/2005 17:55:11
sure, IF i(and other players) can change race b4 this happens.
Because if you are amarr and have gallente skills... you can pretty much throw away 4-6mil sp and ...
Signed.
It will disadvantage many people and wont be fair at all.
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Pagefault
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Posted - 2005.07.15 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
French cars are much harder.
And the french still have no clue about driving at all.
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Tisti
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Posted - 2005.07.15 14:34:00 -
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CCP are planning to possibly add something like that it seems.. Will be very interesting if they do add
http://evegames.hostingbig.com/eve/data/Skills@~32;@~38;@~32;Accessories/Bonuses/listing.xml
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.07.15 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
Because players shouldn't be gimped just because they want to fly the ships of other races.
Originally by: Kerby Lane
It will disadvantage many people and wont be fair at all.
How is it any problem for people if you learn your own race faster, but leave nonrace skills the same as it is now? You don't make you learn nonrace skills slower, you make race skills faster. No one is put out, no one is disadvantaged, not compared to how things are now, because you'd have exactly what you do now, but, you'd also learn one race's skills faster.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.07.15 20:48:00 -
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CCP are planning to possibly add something like that it seems.. Will be very interesting if they do add
That's very old stuff Tisti
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.07.16 01:21:00 -
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RP wise, it would make good sense that you can learn your "native" ships and equipment a bit faster than foreign stuff
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Kanatach
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Posted - 2005.07.17 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kanatach on 17/07/2005 07:53:20
This is a really bad idea. Eve has an excellent selling point in the way skills work now, anyone can do anything if they take the time to train.
By making it take longer to train other races skills you may as well implement <insert race> pilot profession right now and make other races ships unflyable for anyone but pilots of the relevant race. It is where you will end up in a year if you start down this path now. Thumbs adamantly down...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.07.17 18:09:00 -
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BAD IDEA
i picked caldari when i started cos i liked the picture
if i dint like caldari ships (i do, but a lot of ppl didn't) i could change and fly another race- and be gimped only 3 or 4 days of training - y should we gimp ppl further on this?
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Severus Trajan
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Posted - 2005.07.18 10:33:00 -
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While it would certainly be nice (in a way) to see more people follow their racial ships rather than the latest flavour of the month, it's also a bit silly.
If the different races were completely alien to each other I would wholeheartedly agree - a human piloting a ship designed for a space-bug should have a disadvantage. But here we have a bunch of humans piloting ships designed by other humans. Given equivalent training, would a Russian be better at flying a MiG than an American or Swede? Nope.
Heck, in Eve there isn't even a language barrier between the different races as far as I can tell. Don't know how they got the French to start speaking English, unrealistic as hell if you ask me...
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2005.07.18 15:27:00 -
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they actually do... they start off with skillpoints in their own race frigate.. not the other races so they do have a skill boost in their own race ships over the other race ships.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.07.19 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Startica
personally i think training any race ships should be faster if you allready have higher skill trained for at least one race,, really not all the information needed to fly the ships(better) will be new. There would only be racial difrences which would be understood by the time you hit cruisers,, so they should train even faster,, so on and so forth.
Actually, Spaceship Command is the skill that teaches us to pilot ships, the race specific ones fills us in on the UNIQUE DETAILS on how to fly a specific kind of ship. Need logical proof? Shuttles. They are the most basic form of spacecraft, you only need 250sp to fly them and you get that for free. Another logical reason is that there is a difference in language and technology used in the ships. All races uses different technology for propulsion and sensors.
To repeat my initial statement : NO! No faster training. If anything like this should happen, it would be to slow down the other races and keep the current speed of your own. That is never going to happen though, and therefore I hope your own race won't be boosted.
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