When did you clean your cache the last time? Has it been a while?

It's a gap and no skillpoints are received. Sue CCP.

DAM U CCP! Y U STEAL 10 SECONDS OF XTRA TRAINING TIME?!?!?!

Well I'm just wondering, with how many times this happens and if you calculate the time intervals between the 0 and when the next skill starts. that could easily add up to almost a million sp after a few hundred years.

Well I'm just wondering, with how many times this happens and if you calculate the time intervals between the 0 and when the next skill starts. that could easily add up to almost a couple hundred sp after a few years.

I've been timing the time it takes for a skill to finish on my character. Not in the x days y hours z seconds til completion; but rather when the timer has finished and the skill says COMPLETION IMMINENT. Why does it take so long for my skills to complete? Do skill points continue to be gained for that skill or is it just a gap? It seems to be taking longer and longer for the skill to actually update as time goes on. Is this a bug or some kind of lag?

I think it only displays completion imminent to bust the chops of ocd sperglords, while it is applying the time to the next skill

it only does it if you watch it complete.

I'll try to answer because I made a post about skill training time, and was given a pretty good response by CCP.


In the server farm, there is one server that just maintains everyone's character data.

In the database there is a table indexed on time.

You press submit on the training queue, and your client tells that one server that maintains all the character info what skills you want to train. That server calculates all the completion times on all the skills and puts them in that database table with the completion time.

On that server that maintains all character data, there is a training queue monitoring process. It compares current time to the records in the database queue, and if any are due to complete, it processes them and updates your character info. IF NO records in that table are ready to process, then that queue manager goes to sleep for a few seconds to let the other processes on that server have some CPU time.

When the sleep time is over, it wakes up, completes any skills that should have completed while it was asleep, then... yes, goes to sleep again.

SO, If I hit submit, and one skill should complete at 12:01:01 and the next should complete at 12:21:01. As 12:01:00, the queue manager goes to sleep for 10 seconds. When it wakes up at 12:01:10, it sees my first skill's complete time is past, so updates my character with that skill. The fact that skill completed 9 seconds late in no way effects the fact that the queue says my second skill is scheduled to finish at 12:21:01.


That process that calculates the completion time, and puts them in the DB? Well, if it sees that you had a skill in the database table that you no longer have there, then it calculates the time from now until its scheduled completion, calculates a % complete, and throws it into another table of your partially trained. When you put that skill back into queue, it pulls it out of partially trained and uses that info to compute the correct complete time.


Finally, this "completion time" is based on your current attributes. SO, before you can change attributes, you have to pause queue, pulling everything out of the queue database table into partially trained. Then you adjust your attribs (remap or implants) and submit your queue again. Now the new attribs are used to calculate the completion times.


SO, even if you skill is scheduled to complete during down time, the next skill in the queue will complete on time.

On those upgrade days, players tend to pull all the small skills out of the queue, and just have one really long skil in there, in fear that if the system is still down when those small skills finish, the longer one at the end of the queue won't start training until the server is back up. This is incorrect. The completion time of the furthest our skill in the queue is unaffected by server downtime because that completion time in the database table is safely stored to hard disk and does not change when the server comes back up.

Dear god
this is the most helpful and well-explained post I've seen in months. What's happening to the forums?!

Erm......there was already a GD Discussion about this issue less than 2 weeks ago.

It is an acknowledged BUG and being worked on. Unfortunately I cannot paste in the comments from my Bug Report obviously.

I myself lost at least 12 hours of Training time before this was noticed.


Edit: Linkage

There IS a bug in how completion time is calculated. That does not mean that the completion time does not get calculated at the time you submit the skills.

Dear god
this is the most helpful and well-explained post I've seen in months. What's happening to the forums?!

I'll try to answer because I made a post about skill training time, and was given a pretty good response by CCP.


In the server farm, there is one server that just maintains everyone's character data.

In the database there is a table indexed on time.

You press submit on the training queue, and your client tells that one server that maintains all the character info what skills you want to train. That server calculates all the completion times on all the skills and puts them in that database table with the completion time.

On that server that maintains all character data, there is a training queue monitoring process. It compares current time to the records in the database queue, and if any are due to complete, it processes them and updates your character info. IF NO records in that table are ready to process, then that queue manager goes to sleep for a few seconds to let the other processes on that server have some CPU time.

When the sleep time is over, it wakes up, completes any skills that should have completed while it was asleep, then... yes, goes to sleep again.

SO, If I hit submit, and one skill should complete at 12:01:01 and the next should complete at 12:21:01. As 12:01:00, the queue manager goes to sleep for 10 seconds. When it wakes up at 12:01:10, it sees my first skill's complete time is past, so updates my character with that skill. The fact that skill completed 9 seconds late in no way effects the fact that the queue says my second skill is scheduled to finish at 12:21:01.


That process that calculates the completion time, and puts them in the DB? Well, if it sees that you had a skill in the database table that you no longer have there, then it calculates the time from now until its scheduled completion, calculates a % complete, and throws it into another table of your partially trained. When you put that skill back into queue, it pulls it out of partially trained and uses that info to compute the correct complete time.


Finally, this "completion time" is based on your current attributes. SO, before you can change attributes, you have to pause queue, pulling everything out of the queue database table into partially trained. Then you adjust your attribs (remap or implants) and submit your queue again. Now the new attribs are used to calculate the completion times.


SO, even if you skill is scheduled to complete during down time, the next skill in the queue will complete on time.

On those upgrade days, players tend to pull all the small skills out of the queue, and just have one really long skil in there, in fear that if the system is still down when those small skills finish, the longer one at the end of the queue won't start training until the server is back up. This is incorrect. The completion time of the furthest our skill in the queue is unaffected by server downtime because that completion time in the database table is safely stored to hard disk and does not change when the server comes back up.

Offcial CCP Joke #542:

How do you keep a skill point obsessed EvE player in suspense?

Create a bug where skills just don't complete if they put too many skills into the queue?

I heard of the one where skill complettion times were not being calculated correctly, but not the one you just described.

Haven't experienced either one across multiple accounts either, although some people were reimbursed skill points last update.

Not too concerned about it either way. If my skills ever get borked, a petion will take care of the issue for me (assuming I ever take notice, or care).