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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:04:00 -
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Is it the number vs number or is there more to Eve than kill mails.
Do RP corp/alliances have more fun??? --------------------------
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:08:00 -
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an honerable battle is when the both sidres are at an even ballenced of power people ships etc and then somon wins cause every thing is ballenced and even no over do any thing sowho wins is considered honrable and that battle is consittered an honerable battle
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:18:00 -
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No, an honourable battle is any battle not involving lameness.
That means anything not involving 140km snipering, 7wcs lowslot setups, lagout tactics, running from a gang half your size or any of the other commonly discussed things we all know are considered lame.
Even numbers however, are imo not required at all. But then again, I don't look on Eve pvp as sport but as buisiness. _______________________________________________
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:19:00 -
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and i look at it as it like = death to me
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime! Image done by Denrace |
General Killah
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine No, an honourable battle is any battle not involving lameness.
That means anything not involving 140km snipering, 7wcs lowslot setups, lagout tactics, running from a gang half your size, or any of the other commonly discussed things we all know are considered lame.
Even numbers however, are imo not required at all. But then again, I don't look on Eve pvp as sport but as buisiness.
That one bugs me sooo much. ---------------------------------
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IamBen
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:29:00 -
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1vs1 combat. Now thats fun
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SageOfMystery
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:59:00 -
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I think what really makes the game the game is small skirmishes between mixed gangs, its nice to see how truly skilled you can work together with your ships/Setups
the fun is in taking a chance and playing the game not haveing 40 people vs 1 and screaming on ts WHO GOT THE MAIL OMG !!!111ONE1!
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General Killah
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Posted - 2005.07.14 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: SageOfMystery I think what really makes the game the game is small skirmishes between mixed gangs, its nice to see how truly skilled you can work together with your ships/Setups
the fun is in taking a chance and playing the game not haveing 40 people vs 1 and screaming on ts WHO GOT THE MAIL OMG !!!111ONE1!
Now why can't we ever fight any Stain like you?!?!?! ---------------------------------
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.07.14 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Daniel Jackson an honerable battle is when the both sidres are at an even ballenced of power people ships etc and then somon wins cause every thing is ballenced and even no over do any thing sowho wins is considered honrable and that battle is consittered an honerable battle
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.07.14 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine That means anything not involving 140km snipering, 7wcs lowslot setups, lagout tactics, running from a gang half your size or any of the other commonly discussed things we all know are considered lame.
Dont see anything lame about 140km Snipers. You don't call a Taranis lame whe he MWD's to oribt you at 1,000m under your guns optimal do you?
Otherwise yeah, the rest of the stuff is pretty lame.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.07.14 18:20:00 -
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Honorable:
1. No lame tactics. No need to list them. 2. No running until there's actually a reason to run. 3. No smack. "Good fight", and even complimenting each other on setups--not "OMGZOR EXPLOIT!!!" --
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.07.14 18:55:00 -
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kick him in the nutz and run.
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Seth Killbain
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Posted - 2005.07.14 19:00:00 -
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PvP bewteen to consenting people or groups etc. I really dont rate gank squads camping gates, or spawns etc, they only catch out the unwary or inexperianced.
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YodaMasterJedi
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Posted - 2005.07.14 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Imran kick him in the nutz and run.
ROFL ROFL
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Death Merchant
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Posted - 2005.07.14 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Imran kick him in the nutz and run.
/bows
thats why your the emperor
Honorable battle depends on who you ask. So unless every corp in EVE comes up with a set of rules, or the fighting parties adapt some type of rules of anti lameness this will always be left up to interpertation.
Hmmm.. maybe except for 4+ wcs ravens and log tactics..that should be universaly lame.
DM
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.07.14 20:04:00 -
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Sad thing is (IMO), the only good fights happen when you get 2 entities that despise each other so much that they don't care about tactical advantage, numbers, EW or much else. They find each other as fasst ass possible and engage.
All the maneuvering and trying to get the advantage in a med-large size fight can really take away from it.
As an example, if you are rolling with a majority of snipers already loaded at optimals for 120k, then warping out just because the enemy came in at 80k is kinda lame. Vice versa as well. Maybe that's why I don't like sniping...
So when you despise someone so much that all you want is them dead, regardless of cost, well, that usually leads to some REALLY good fights.
Just a contributing factor though, not a rule of thumb.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.14 20:23:00 -
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PvP in Eve sucks.
It takes 5hrs of moving around, 2 hrs of getting a group together, then 5 mins for the enemy to logout.
I'm worried more about that than honour.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Maasu
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Posted - 2005.07.14 20:36:00 -
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an Honourable Battle is an oxymoron (sp), like for example a fun run, or a female orgasm.
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Joan Smith
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Posted - 2005.07.14 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert PvP in Eve sucks.
It takes 5hrs of moving around, 2 hrs of getting a group together, then 5 mins for the enemy to logout.
I'm worried more about that than honour.
i disagree pvp in eve is like rl u need to look for ur enemies, trap them, trick them, its all tactic depending on ur tactic it shortens ur "moveing around time", and geting plp to gether same with rl u need to look for enemies with scout while keeping ur out of sight (give u the advantage) but rl plp cant log out
eve not a shoot em up, u can do that but u end up getting ganked one way or another
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Lowa
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Posted - 2005.07.15 00:40:00 -
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This game needs more "Leeerroooooy Nnnjeeeenkinnnzzz" tactics! Less thinking, more stupidity! Or something. Not saying Im doing this my self at any high level but working on it.
/LOWA
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Roger Dodger
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Posted - 2005.07.15 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine No, an honourable battle is any battle not involving lameness.
That means anything not involving 140km snipering, 7wcs lowslot setups, lagout tactics, running from a gang half your size or any of the other commonly discussed things we all know are considered lame.
Even numbers however, are imo not required at all. But then again, I don't look on Eve pvp as sport but as buisiness.
Isn't that a bit hypocritical? If you consider combat to be a business, there's no place for honor or ethics in business.
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General Killah
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Posted - 2005.07.15 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lowa This game needs more "Leeerroooooy Nnnjeeeenkinnnzzz" tactics! Less thinking, more stupidity! Or something. Not saying Im doing this my self at any high level but working on it.
/LOWA
I am so glad someone else has seen that besides me, SO TRUE! ---------------------------------
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.07.15 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 15/07/2005 08:32:56
Originally by: Lowa This game needs more "Leeerroooooy Nnnjeeeenkinnnzzz" tactics! Less thinking, more stupidity! Or something. Not saying Im doing this my self at any high level but working on it.
/LOWA
Oh no, what did I start?
This past week, a couple of my new pilots have taken to calling me Leroy, what with the, "**** it, I'm going in at 15 km!" attitude and especially after my "brilliant tactical maneuver" in Agil the other night. 72% structure 4TW! -
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SchnauzeLutscher
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Posted - 2005.07.15 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: SchnauzeLutscher on 15/07/2005 08:53:19 I tell you my image of an honorable battle: An honorable battle is, when 5 cruisers (NOT ELITE CRUISERS) and 1 light ship plus one recon ship, on its way to defend an alliance station, kill first an enemy Tempest 2 jps away from the POS system (16:57, Fountain, J-RQMF, ian666 [Evolution]) then 10 minutes later, they kill an enemy Cerberus 1 jp away from the attacked POS (17:07, Fountain, LJ-TZW,yokozuno [Evolution]) and another 10 minutes later the same gang killed a total of 4 APOCs (HC MasiEEE [Evolution], TWD [Evolution], Kin Hanyerec [Reikoku], Shrike [Evolution]), a Deimos (Dianabolic [Reikoku]) and an Iteron V(Unleashuttle [Black Nova Corp]), together with the termination of 2 clones of our beloved enemies (Shrike [Evolution], Unleashuttle [Black Nova Corp]).
And remember, those pilots were NOT afk, or at a SS. They shot an FA station (small one) in the respective system.
On its way back 2 of the cruisers of the attacking force plus one clone was killed but never the less that was an honorable fight.
Fear the HUNs!
oh and its also on the boards for confirmation:
link EDIT: I fixed the link
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SchnauzeLutscher
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Posted - 2005.07.15 08:55:00 -
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oh, so in light of recent or less recent posts from Sir Molle (aka Shrike) I would like to state:
Sir Molle is dead
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TWD
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Posted - 2005.07.15 09:01:00 -
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Laugh, you guys still have a loooong way to catch up on kills.
We were shooting at the pos from 205km, because we lacked targets to shoot at. we had few battleships, and a couple indy's, cruisers that were boosting us.
Was nicely done though, landing right on top of us, you also had 1 HAC btw :P
See you out there.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.07.15 09:51:00 -
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An honourable battle these days is when the enemy actually undocks and doesnt fit a full set of stabs in low (why are these not high slots ffs?).
On the whole though, im a cautious pilot and pick my engagements when i KNOW i can take the enemy. That doesnt necessarily mean when i have more people than them, it means when im pretty certain i can kill my target.
Example :- Jumped in on a geddon 30km away from me so i decide not to engage. He then docks and undocks on me (deimos) and zajo (wolf). As i was outside station undock and 500metres from him i knew i could take him. And he fought back (in vain at that range of course but still) which surprised me. This, imo, is an honourable thing.
He could have redocked, or fitted tons of stabs and run away, which just about every 1 does these days(wait til u see my new vid, went 1on1 with a scorp 3 times and everytime he ran from my solo deimos), but he put up a fight and kudos to him for it
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.07.15 10:09:00 -
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IMHO honerable battles are between 2 sets of people who are ready to party. be it one on one or gang v gang, the participants (espec in 1v1) should stay till forced to leave i.e in a pod.
I once aired these views on another forums and got nothing but **** because i feel that those that warp or log, just coz they are losing are cowards.
If i enter battle with someone, i have done it because i feel our ships are equal, i.e you wont ever catch me taking on a HAC in a frig, im not daft. and if it turns out i cant take down my target because they are not set up for MY optimal damage then i pray i can save money on a new clone and scarper in my pod.
Equally if someone takes me on, i expect them to commit themselves fully and not force me to chase them.
Just because you bit off more than you could chew doesnt mean you should spit it out
Its easy to hit someone and run, it takes balls to stick around to finish the job.
(i always think of the Bruce Lee v Chuck Norris showdown, where Norris, beaten to a pulp, continues his attack knowing he cant win, thats my idea of "honour") --------------------------------
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.15 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/07/2005 15:55:06
Originally by: Roger Dodger
Originally by: Rod Blaine No, an honourable battle is any battle not involving lameness.
That means anything not involving 140km snipering, 7wcs lowslot setups, lagout tactics, running from a gang half your size or any of the other commonly discussed things we all know are considered lame.
Even numbers however, are imo not required at all. But then again, I don't look on Eve pvp as sport but as buisiness.
Isn't that a bit hypocritical? If you consider combat to be a business, there's no place for honor or ethics in business.
Yes there is, in a game at least, but imo in rl too. If you have no ethics, you can do nothing right.
But on the other hand, yes, I care less about wether a fight was honourably fought by my enemies then I care for having won it. It does not mean I will do dishonourable things to win (by my own standards).
I think that's pretty buisinesslike compared to all the short term quickfix adrenaline junkies that play this game nowadays. For me, the result of many fights is the goal, not the fights themselves. _______________________________________________
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Novakaine
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Posted - 2005.07.15 15:59:00 -
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theres no such thing... but maybe i meet someone in space who proves me round someday
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