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Emray Trader	Posted - 2005.07.14 22:12:00 - [1] Edited by: Emray Trader on 14/07/2005 22:13:03 Should Target Painters make a difference with turrets?? In my limited testing I can't really see much of a difference??
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.07.14 23:09:00 - [2] Short answer: yes Complex answer: yes, but only if you can still track the target. Your guns have a signiture radius, as does the enemy ship. If the gun sig radius is smaller, it hits the ship a lot more often (not including tracking). if the gun sig radius is bigger, it misses more often. Target painters make the enemy ship have a bigger sig, so large guns can hit them better. You will get better results the bigger gun you use, as smaller guns can pretty much hit anything bigger than a shuttle with ease to begin with.
Emray Trader	Posted - 2005.07.14 23:51:00 - [3] I've been testing heavy med pulse 2s against frigs with and without a painter, I can't see much difference but I'll look a bit harder. Thx
Vishnej	Posted - 2005.07.15 01:49:00 - [4] Edited by: Vishnej on 15/07/2005 01:49:05 Since T2 painters got cut back to 30%, they've only been as powerful as a tracking boost as T2 tracking computers. Fit a tracking computer 2 first(due to the rangebonus), and a target painter second. Tracking computer/enhancers do not stack tracking at all, supposedly, while a painter and a computer stack without any penalty. I will say that while tracking boosts DO effect your average damage quite a bit, you should check the tracking guide to make sure that they make a difference at all in the situations you're using them in: http://www.ittensohn.ch/eve/eve-tracking.html
JacenSolo	Posted - 2005.07.15 02:55:00 - [5] Lost my BS tonight in a level 4. I never scratched a frig inside about 40k. I had 2 tech 2 tracking enhancers and 2 named tracking computers. At times I was painting the target as well as my corp mate. Still never scratched them. I feel like throwing away my large guns for good. Same with blasters last week. Its very annoying.
Vishnej	Posted - 2005.07.15 03:02:00 - [6] If possible, of course, a webber is always important. A 90% webber is the equivalent of +900% tracking bonus, or +900% sig radius painted.
Selim	Posted - 2005.07.15 03:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Vishnej If possible, of course, a webber is always important. A 90% webber is the equivalent of +900% tracking bonus, or +900% sig radius painted. Thats a common misconception, since it means only your target moves slower. Your ship still moves, so even if you web your enemy and you are orbiting, your tracking will still suck. Its only 900% if you are standing still. A TC will help both when you are being orbited, and when you are orbiting, although not as good at either as a web does when you are being orbitted.
JacenSolo	Posted - 2005.07.15 03:24:00 - [8] I think it all sucks now. They want to cut the nuts off of the BS and it ****es me off every time i spend a thousand rounds to kill 3 frigs
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.15 04:27:00 - [9] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/07/2005 04:27:25 Originally by: JacenSolo I think it all sucks now. They want to cut the nuts off of the BS and it ****es me off every time i spend a thousand rounds to kill 3 frigs My apoc kills the frig swarms in 0.0 spawns just fine. I use 6 megabeams for BSs and cruisers and 2 medium beams for frigates, along with 6 heavy drones. Works just fine here. Large guns are NOT for frigates. No amount of webbers or target painters will fix that. -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
JacenSolo	Posted - 2005.07.15 04:51:00 - [10] Guess my problems would be solved if i was Amarr. My friend has not near the troubkle with mega pulse.. I guess i resent the fact that they want me to use medium weapons and a BS
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.15 05:28:00 - [11] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/07/2005 05:28:15 Originally by: JacenSolo Guess my problems would be solved if i was Amarr. My friend has not near the troubkle with mega pulse.. I guess i resent the fact that they want me to use medium weapons and a BS Read what I said again. My large turrets NEVER hit frigates. Hell, medium turrets don't hit them either. NO RACE'S LARGE OR MEDIUM TURRETS WILL HIT FRIGATES EFFECTIVELY. Now that you have that in your thick skull, mount some small guns, like everyone else in EVE that has to kill frigate spawns with battleships. -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Hawk Firestorm	Posted - 2005.07.15 05:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/07/2005 04:27:25 Originally by: JacenSolo I think it all sucks now. They want to cut the nuts off of the BS and it ****es me off every time i spend a thousand rounds to kill 3 frigs My apoc kills the frig swarms in 0.0 spawns just fine. I use 6 megabeams for BSs and cruisers and 2 medium beams for frigates, along with 6 heavy drones. Works just fine here. Large guns are NOT for frigates. No amount of webbers or target painters will fix that. Not from my experience, and I'm not exactly short of a few skill points, ya lucky to hit even with plulse. That would be all fine and dandy if all ship were all BS and soorted into appropriate grps, but they aren't and are mixed.
JacenSolo	Posted - 2005.07.15 05:34:00 - [13] I am not blind. I saw what you wrote and I could care less how you hit. I am not debating the facts that you CAN NOT HIT **** with large guns. I simply dont like it. Is that ok if I disagree with the rules of the game as they exist?
laserc	Posted - 2005.07.15 05:57:00 - [14] Edited by: laserc on 15/07/2005 06:01:49 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/07/2005 05:28:15 Originally by: JacenSolo Guess my problems would be solved if i was Amarr. My friend has not near the troubkle with mega pulse.. I guess i resent the fact that they want me to use medium weapons and a BS Read what I said again. My large turrets NEVER hit frigates. Hell, medium turrets don't hit them either. NO RACE'S LARGE OR MEDIUM TURRETS WILL HIT FRIGATES EFFECTIVELY. Now that you have that in your thick skull, mount some small guns, like everyone else in EVE that has to kill frigate spawns with battleships. Try getting > 100 km away from a frigate.... you might find that your large turrets infact DO hit frigates.
pacifica	Posted - 2005.07.15 05:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/07/2005 05:28:15 Originally by: JacenSolo Guess my problems would be solved if i was Amarr. My friend has not near the troubkle with mega pulse.. I guess i resent the fact that they want me to use medium weapons and a BS Read what I said again. My large turrets NEVER hit frigates. Hell, medium turrets don't hit them either. NO RACE'S LARGE OR MEDIUM TURRETS WILL HIT FRIGATES EFFECTIVELY. Now that you have that in your thick skull, mount some small guns, like everyone else in EVE that has to kill frigate spawns with battleships. Hummm you don t use nice words. What my mate tell you is frigate in mission are not the same as belts npc. i did a test with my raven 2 torp i kill the frigate in belt in Mission or complex i spend over 4 volley of torpedo. ok Now you may understand this in your **** head what my mate say is the target painter and the stuff not work as well on mission it help but a little. as for big turret to kill frigate it work but not in mission. tks and i hope i explain clearly (sorry for mistake but i m not a english persone) Respect and Honor is the way to go in the game.
JacenSolo	Posted - 2005.07.15 06:00:00 - [16] Your right about the 100k for sure. I can hunt just fine against belt rats for sure. ONce inside about 60k it starts going downhill quickly..
Sun Ra	Posted - 2005.07.15 06:37:00 - [17] Originally by: JacenSolo Lost my BS tonight in a level 4. I never scratched a frig inside about 40k. I had 2 tech 2 tracking enhancers and 2 named tracking computers. At times I was painting the target as well as my corp mate. Still never scratched them. I feel like throwing away my large guns for good. Same with blasters last week. Its very annoying. Medium beams are small guns Frank made me do it

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