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Drilla	Posted - 2005.07.15 20:56:00 - [31] Leno - isn't it time for a new corp? Anyway - if you were not just gunning for easy prey and you were truly businessmen you'd have given the option to relocate before declaring on them. The other is just petty ganking. EVE System Security
Scorpyn	Posted - 2005.07.15 21:04:00 - [32] There is a major lack of anti-evil forces in game atm.
Drilla	Posted - 2005.07.15 21:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Blind Fear Edited by: Blind Fear on 15/07/2005 05:45:59 Noone with the capability to actually impair the effectiveness of a corp like ATUF will work for free. At best all you'll do is give them a bunch of free wars and extra targets in empire. Most of the people who have posted here condeming this are people who would be completely and totally unwilling to risk anything in your defense. Don't look to the forums for help fighting a war, unless you need to drown them out with a deluge of meaningless threats. Sad but true - we could easily handle ATUF but we are not for free EVE System Security - Killboard (still early alpha)
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.15 21:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Blind Fear Edited by: Blind Fear on 15/07/2005 05:45:59 Noone with the capability to actually impair the effectiveness of a corp like ATUF will work for free. At best all you'll do is give them a bunch of free wars and extra targets in empire. Most of the people who have posted here condeming this are people who would be completely and totally unwilling to risk anything in your defense. Don't look to the forums for help fighting a war, unless you need to drown them out with a deluge of meaningless threats. Sad but true - we could easily handle ATUF but we are not for free Never heard of pro bono? Lawyers do it?
Drilla	Posted - 2005.07.15 21:16:00 - [35] I'm not a lawyer - I'm a merc, and there no such thing as pro-bono in the merc business. However the small corp of miners could plan an escape if they wanted too - find a corp willing to take ATUF off their hands - relocate and pay them back in ships, minerals whatever. They'd still have to pay some but they'd be free afterwards. EVE System Security - Killboard (still early alpha)
Fantome	Posted - 2005.07.15 21:19:00 - [36] Edited by: Fantome on 15/07/2005 21:19:27 Originally by: Blind Fear Honestly, I don't think that you guys are capable of running your own corp. This is probably going to sound mean, but this is natural selection. You are the Dodo, walking up to hunters. Disband your corp. You can play together, make a chat channel (doesnt sound like you have any corp assets to speak of anyway). I would suggust that you join a more established corp with people who can help you. It's the best advise. Join a bigest corp, train your skills to be strongest and then redo your corp. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Helmut 314	Posted - 2005.07.15 21:26:00 - [37] Sad to hear about this. Its not uncommon though and very hard to stop. Dark Shikari is coming on a bit strong, but he gives good advice. Frigs en masse can do quite a bit. An alternative solution for you might be to leave for NPC corps for a bit, make a chat channel and keep together that way. Make some isk and pay some good mercs to punish ATUF, or just wait until they get bored. Every day that you dont pay = they lose money. ___________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Frankinator	Posted - 2005.07.17 10:39:00 - [38] Edited by: Frankinator on 17/07/2005 10:40:53 Strange, bunny. Ur ceo seems to be a big fan, too bad he changed his mind about what he said here 6 hours later.
Tbone	Posted - 2005.07.17 10:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Ticondrius Greetings, I am the CEO of Shaded Moon Inc. and upon seeing this topic a few days back I offered to let members of the corp in question enter my corp to return to enjoying the game. ATUF, after a few days, in turn came to me in an attempt to exhort money yet again for their protection plan. When I informed them I already had such a plan with someone else, the conversation ended and I was later notified by NAGA, our principal business partner, that the same representative had attempted to do the same to them. Whatever ATUF chooses to do, I'd like to recommend them that they find someone else to bother. You do not know with whom Shaded Moon holds it's war insurance policy, and I'm certain that you do not wish to find out. Furthermore, I wish to add that should we be taken into a war we do not wish to be in, we will fight just as hard as those whom we pay to keep us safe from high sec empire griefers. And finally, NAGA has informed me that the ATUF corporation will be, if not already, barred from being allowed to make purchases through them. While such a move is not fully devestating to the possible opposition, I'd recommend you take it as a measure of things to come should you continue to take your corporation in this direction of business. ATUF is not merely a hazard to empire corps and "carebears", they are a hazard to the health of the game. For every new player they get to quit playing EVE, that's one less subscriber for CCP, and one less potential friend for others in the game. If anyone else is bullied into paying such outrageous (to a new player it is) ransoms on their corps or persons by this corporation, please contact me and I will see what can be done to assist you. OMG RUN FOR THE HILLS. THEY ARE ALLIED WITH THE ALL MIGHTY NAGA. Seriously, I dont know who you are are what ur talking about. ATUF is a great corp with some great people. NAGA is prolly the best corp for eve as of selling things. ATUF is just trying to rid the universe of meth labs. ----------------------------------------------- Unholy Killboard
Zajo	Posted - 2005.07.17 11:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Draximus Cane I dont often post...... "Furthermore the 'OMGGRIEFER' crap from people like the MC doesn't really hold up." This is an incorrect assumption MC do not judge, individuals may have. The MC an entity has no views on this matter either way. Thankyou Thank you Drax for sorting that out. Would have done so myself if i had seen if before. Frankiwhatever: My personal feelings towards you and your corp aint reflecting any ideas/thoughts/actions nor guidelines for the Mercenary Coalition. I stand for what i say and my feelings has not changed. Keep the Mercenary Coalition name out of this !! ----------------------------------------------- -= You Will Survive Only On The Breath Im Finished With=-
Dsanta2345	Posted - 2005.07.17 11:29:00 - [41] Originally by: Gungankllr 1. Disband corp 2. Start new corpthis works as if they declare on that corp you can file a griefing petition. 3. Everyone rejoin As for your situation, my personal opinion that warring/extorting new corps/players is kind of lame, but it's within the rules \|if the intent is to grief the corp and not for any definative reason then it is not\|and the game mechanics so you have to overcome and adapt to it. Either hire a reputable mercenary corp (If you're broke, never mind) or start a new corp. I don't know any of the AF guys personally so I can't really comment on them, but if you guys are indeed new to the game, I can't comprehend why they would want to war you. Kind of like getting an 8 BS gang together to do Level 1 missions... Oh well. There's two sides to every story, I'm sure someone will come along and put their two cents in. ----- I dont sleep much so dont mind my errors or extra words. CCP plz fix this random bug: Linkage
Dsanta2345	Posted - 2005.07.17 11:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Frankinator Edited by: Frankinator on 17/07/2005 10:40:53 Strange, bunny. Ur ceo seems to be a big fan, too bad he changed his mind about what he said here 6 hours later. and then it could just be the ceos fault so say screw him and make your own corp....lol ----- I dont sleep much so dont mind my errors or extra words. CCP plz fix this random bug: Linkage
Frankinator	Posted - 2005.07.17 15:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Zajo Originally by: Draximus Cane I dont often post...... "Furthermore the 'OMGGRIEFER' crap from people like the MC doesn't really hold up." This is an incorrect assumption MC do not judge, individuals may have. The MC an entity has no views on this matter either way. Thankyou Thank you Drax for sorting that out. Would have done so myself if i had seen if before. Frankiwhatever: My personal feelings towards you and your corp aint reflecting any ideas/thoughts/actions nor guidelines for the Mercenary Coalition. I stand for what i say and my feelings has not changed. Keep the Mercenary Coalition name out of this !! Meh, don't get so hyped over stuff you don't have a clue about. It's ok to assume everything these guys are telling you/posting here is nothing but the truth, but don't spaz out over it. Calm down and order another bag of honor and respect at the local retailer.
Abominable	Posted - 2005.07.17 15:25:00 - [44] Lovely post, funny stuff. Im not saying ATUF are ganking these guys because they are nubs but so what if they are? Griefing is fun and posts like this is just a sign that they are very good at it. They have my respect for some griefing well done. Heck, id help them myself if i could go to empire Futhermore, all the ppl screaming "scarebear" and stuff like that, give me a break. If u think all they can do is kill nubs maybe u should take a look at their employment historys. U cant buy those at walmart, sry. Griefing is fun and if u cant handle it, find a way to grief back or quit the game. Nobody cares if ur disbanding ur corp or not. They just like to post on the forum to look cool and get into the limelight. Last but not least, if u think u can actually put some preassure on ATUF ur wrong. I can vouch for the fact that they know the bigger part of the so called "elite" in eve so if u think some wannabe merc corps can touch them then u really are nubs ATUF 4TW!
Zajo	Posted - 2005.07.17 15:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Frankinator Originally by: Zajo Originally by: Draximus Cane I dont often post...... "Furthermore the 'OMGGRIEFER' crap from people like the MC doesn't really hold up." This is an incorrect assumption MC do not judge, individuals may have. The MC an entity has no views on this matter either way. Thankyou Thank you Drax for sorting that out. Would have done so myself if i had seen if before. Frankiwhatever: My personal feelings towards you and your corp aint reflecting any ideas/thoughts/actions nor guidelines for the Mercenary Coalition. I stand for what i say and my feelings has not changed. Keep the Mercenary Coalition name out of this !! Meh, don't get so hyped over stuff you don't have a clue about. It's ok to assume everything these guys are telling you/posting here is nothing but the truth, but don't spaz out over it. Calm down and order another bag of honor and respect at the local retailer. ----------------------------------------------- -= You Will Survive Only On The Breath Im Finished With=-
Wrix	Posted - 2005.07.17 16:03:00 - [46] I'm one of the noob members of TNF and for what it's worth we really only have I think 2 members with more than a year of playtime. I was actually considering quitting the game when Harrat talked to me about joining his corp. So far I have really had a great time playing the game with them. The more experienced members were showing us the ropes and things were going smoothly. We were hanging out and though progress was slow I think we were all learning things about the game. Then this war started and things have gone down hill and we lost a few members. I don't think any of us are whining about what's happening. Aramova's reason for posting was just asking for advice. Same as if someone came and asked for help doing level 3 missions. One of the great things about this game is the freedom it gives players to do and become pretty much whatever they choose. Frank's group has chosen to be bullies in Gallente space. Do I like it that they chose to pick on us? Nope. Do I think they should change the game so they can't do that type of thing? Nope. My biggest problem is that really all I have so far are learning skills... I can't really do anything about the situation except run and hide, offer moral support to the other members, etc. I do thank the people who have posted in support of our corp and offered suggestions and options we could pursue. We will get through it because I don't believe we are quitters. If ATUF chooses to blow my frigate repeatedly then there isn't much I can do about it except keep on going through whatever avenues are open to me. I'm not sure where I am going with all of this except to say that I will stand with Bunny and the other members of my corp in whatever they choose to do. This game mimicks life... and just like in life you can choose to take your licks and keep going or curl up and die. I choose to keep going. -Wrix
Sun Ra	Posted - 2005.07.17 20:48:00 - [47] Good attitude wrix, you will go far in eve I like to think we're sorting the wheat from the chaff Frank made me do it
1337ster	Posted - 2005.07.17 21:15:00 - [48] I like big cahoonas I kil therefore I am
LitLBunnyFooFoo	Posted - 2005.07.17 21:26:00 - [49] Originally by: Frankinator Edited by: Frankinator on 17/07/2005 10:40:53 Strange, bunny. Ur ceo seems to be a big fan, too bad he changed his mind about what he said here 6 hours later. Well I must say this does come as a surprise for me. Not that harrat would have that conversation with you. And not that harrat wanted to keep it a secret. Because harrat knows if I knew about this before hand, or during, I would've lost my freaken cool, and IM you my damn self and would have told you exactly where to put that blackmail/extortion just like I did the first time you approached our corp. What does surprise me is you posted that private conversation here on the forums to prove to everybody what a low down dirty punk you are. Which also proves nothing you say can be trusted, and that you are nothing more then a terrorist. To Harrat, I say I am sorry you had to go through that! To frank-n-beans, I say, I expected nothing less from you then what you have already displayed here! And I will never, ever, bow down to another person, corp or terrorist... Ships, property, isk, clones be damned! DaBunny The Bunny is the most Fearsome animal in all the Universe... FEAR DA BUNNY!
Julien Derida	Posted - 2005.07.17 23:32:00 - [50] Edited by: Julien Derida on 17/07/2005 23:32:17 I have two pearls of wisdom to add to this thread: 1. Taking anything on these forums at face value is a bad idea. Things are usually more complicated than they seem. 2. Vels, Xune, Leno & Frank are top chaps(or indeed cat-girls). ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Panshin Bolo	Posted - 2005.07.17 23:52:00 - [51] Aramova: Avoiding war by mercs/griefers/annihilators of industrial corps ATUF: Pants down, shame on you!
Redeol	Posted - 2005.07.18 03:02:00 - [52] Edited by: Redeol on 18/07/2005 03:06:01 Originally by: Zajo Originally by: Draximus Cane I dont often post...... "Furthermore the 'OMGGRIEFER' crap from people like the MC doesn't really hold up." This is an incorrect assumption MC do not judge, individuals may have. The MC an entity has no views on this matter either way. Thankyou Thank you Drax for sorting that out. Would have done so myself if i had seen if before. Frankiwhatever: My personal feelings towards you and your corp aint reflecting any ideas/thoughts/actions nor guidelines for the Mercenary Coalition. I stand for what i say and my feelings has not changed. Keep the Mercenary Coalition name out of this !! lol.. stop beeing so goddamn a/\/al about your stupid name, *****(s)
Leno	Posted - 2005.07.18 03:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Julien Derida Edited by: Julien Derida on 17/07/2005 23:32:17 I have two pearls of wisdom to add to this thread: 1. Taking anything on these forums at face value is a bad idea. Things are usually more complicated than they seem. 2. Vels, Xune, Leno & Frank are top chaps(or indeed cat-girls). couldnt of said it better myself... tho vels is really a pretty pathetic cat/girl --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at
JForce	Posted - 2005.07.18 04:06:00 - [54] I have sympathy for the little guys, but at the same time, what are 2 month old no-skill noobs doing in space where they can be pod-killed? Low-sec space is dangerous for a reason. Relocate to safe space.
Leno	Posted - 2005.07.18 04:27:00 - [55] Originally by: JForce I have sympathy for the little guys, but at the same time, what are 2 month old no-skill noobs doing in space where they can be pod-killed? Low-sec space is dangerous for a reason. Relocate to safe space. actually they are in "safe space" but empire war... --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at

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