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Sabrinta
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:36:00 -
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Hello all.
I I have just gotten back from a 2 year break or so and found out about PI. I have done some research and have gotten my skills up to have 5 planets and shy of the last CC upgrade in skills.
Now I have an issue. I'm based in high sec and have no corp/alliance for low/null sec PI. Being in this situation with planets not having large amounts of raw materials in Empire, would I be better off to just invest my ISK and do 5 factory worlds and producing a P2 or P3 product en mass or would it be more profitable/sane to do the whole extractor > P1 > export to either market or to factory planet > market?
As I said I've been away for a few years and still getting to grips with the markets and such so any advice on this would be great.
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Viktor von Steiner
Industrial Solution
Shadow of Honor
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:19:00 -
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Factory planets are the way to go in highsec aparently. Check out this and compare to what you get. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.11 13:05:00 -
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Hi Sabrinta,
In my carebear times I dabbled with PI in Highsec also. Back then it was possible to earn quite some shiny ISK with buying P1 or P2 materials and reacting them into P2 resp. P3 materials.
If you start from scratch, extracting materials etc. then your risk of loss is not high because you haven't invested a lot of ISK, 'only' time. If you buy materials from the market, reacting and selling them afterwards, you have to take the risk of a price change in the meanwhile which might leave you with a big loss. As always, the choice is yours!
What I recommend is that you calculate your possible profits and then decide upon your next steps. What can you earn when you start extracting things, what can you earn when you start reacting? Also keep in mind that something might look like awesome profit right now, but it might be bad business in the future. The market in EVE can be a wild ride.
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Celeste Benal
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.12 02:49:00 -
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You can make some easy isk building POS fuel from PI. I am set up the same as you, 5 planets and level 4 upgrades. I have 4 planets extracting raw resources and making them into P1s. I then move the P1s to a factory planet and make Robotics. Planets in 0.5-0.6 systems give just enough resources to run 2 lines. But you have to keep your extraction times fairly short and move your extractor heads around ocassionally, and haul products from planet to planet.
Personally, I find it easier to just buyout the local market and relist higher. Depends on price and volume though. But thats more like trading than mfg. |
Dynast
Osirians Of Eve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.13 20:45:00 -
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Something to keep in mind about running factory planets, if you want to consistently turn a good profit, you'll need to be comfortable either doing a fair bit of trade-order management, or get good at predicting where the market is going. The spread on the various reactions changes fast enough that 2-4 day runs making something that was profitable at the start can end up being break-even or worse at the end. You can pretty much guarantee consistent profits by buying with buy orders and selling with sell orders, but you'll need to work with materials where those orders will move on a regular basis.
Also, you need to be willing to tie up moderate chunks of ISK, in the nine figure range, to max out the production capacity of your planets.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.14 02:15:00 -
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To give you an idea of the capital requirements. P2 factory needs about 15-20M ISK of inputs per day, P3 is more like 35-45M/day of inputs. Multiply that by about 10-20x if you can't quickly turn over your inventory.
P1 harvest planets (harvest P0 raw, turn into P1 with BIFs, export to market) in hi-sec, if you pay attention to the survey screens and look at a dozen or so planets before picking one, can make about 700k/day per planet on average. Some will be higher (900-1200k/day), others will be a bit lower. My average earlier this summer for about 2 dozen harvest planets was 650k/day, now it's up to about 800k/day as I ditched poor performers.
5 planets * 800k/day * 30 days = 120M per month
There's also a distinct lack of a lot of P1 goods on the market at the moment. For example, there's barely any Water listed on the market in numerous regions. So PI goods are ramping up in cost, which means that PI harvest planets are worth more per day for those who stick with it.
(You should not have to move PI buildings on a harvest planet more then once every 2-3 months.)
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Vitrioloz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.15 17:18:00 -
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I have a temperate 1.0 buildsite like this:
1 CC
2 basic extractors --- micro organisms & complex organisms gets turned into bacteria & proteins.
2 basic processors (ofc?)
1 advanced processor turning the bacteria & protein into fertilizer
1 launchpad
Output per hour = 5 units of fertilizer, market value = 2k isk per unit =10k isk profit per hour = im not good with words but this is very very very bad after having spent around 5 million on buildings so I really hope I can make a real profit with 'Command Center Upgrades' level 4 or 5 as I can have more buildings than now then.
Plan is to extract carbon & autotrophs to make biofuels & industrial fibers and combine them into polytextiles which can be combined with fertilizer into industrial explosives. |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2011.10.17 11:17:00 -
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Since the last PI update which introduced degradation of planetary resources and changed the way extractors work it is not a good option to try to make P2 on one planet. Best practise is to make another planet for advanced production factories separate to your P0/P1 set-ups.
Regarding P0 and P1 best to extract one or two maximum resource types per planet. Two basic factories if extracting one resource or four basic factories (Two dedicated to each resource.) if extracting two resources from one planet.
That's my take on it anyway. |
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