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Lunix Sigtinius
Lunix Squared
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Posted - 2013.02.07 04:32:00 -
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I'm not too sure what to say, i got ransomed by 'lust4blood' and paid a good sum of isk for him to spare my clone, dumb I know, and he killed me. So as a result i put a 100 million isk bounty. Anyway just advertising, have fun  |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
161
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Posted - 2013.02.07 05:03:00 -
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I am also stupid and wish to advertise that on the forums.
Have fun everybody.  |
Fabio Bittar
Dark Circle Enforcement
Templis Dragonaors
26
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Posted - 2013.02.07 05:13:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:I am also stupid and wish to advertise that on the forums. Have fun everybody.
@duckface:
Actually, Lunix did the right thing. Now people will know 'lust4blood' doesn't honor his ransoms. All it takes is searching for his name before making a bad decision - not saying most people are that smart, anyway.
Only mistake here was not naming the thread after lust4blood. I hope she put his toon's name under tags.
I personally despise people who won't honor their ransoms. I haven't had the chance to ransom anybody yet, but this event affects everybody's credibility in the end. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
563
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Posted - 2013.02.07 05:14:00 -
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Fabio Bittar wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:I am also stupid and wish to advertise that on the forums. Have fun everybody. @duckface: Actually, Lunix did the right thing. Now people will know ' lust4blood' doesn't honor his ransoms. All it takes is searching for his name before making a bad decision - not saying most people are that smart, anyway. Only mistake here was not naming the thread after lust4blood. I hope she put his toon's name under tags. I personally despise people who won't honor their ransoms. I haven't had the chance to ransom anybody yet, but this event affects everybody's credibility in the end.
Because people always check the forums looking to make sure their pirate is going to honor their ransom.
Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |
Fabio Bittar
Dark Circle Enforcement
Templis Dragonaors
26
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Posted - 2013.02.07 05:15:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Fabio Bittar wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:I am also stupid and wish to advertise that on the forums. Have fun everybody. @duckface: Actually, Lunix did the right thing. Now people will know ' lust4blood' doesn't honor his ransoms. All it takes is searching for his name before making a bad decision - not saying most people are that smart, anyway. Only mistake here was not naming the thread after lust4blood. I hope she put his toon's name under tags. I personally despise people who won't honor their ransoms. I haven't had the chance to ransom anybody yet, but this event affects everybody's credibility in the end. Because people always check the forums looking to make sure their pirate is going to honor their ransom.
Again, not saying this is what people usually do. But there ought to be some intelligent carebears out there. |
Hambonie
Take it Deep
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Posted - 2013.02.07 07:04:00 -
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This will be delt with..... |
culo duro
Federal Enslavement
11
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Posted - 2013.02.07 07:49:00 -
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Tah'ris Khlador wrote:Fabio Bittar wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:I am also stupid and wish to advertise that on the forums. Have fun everybody. @duckface: Actually, Lunix did the right thing. Now people will know ' lust4blood' doesn't honor his ransoms. All it takes is searching for his name before making a bad decision - not saying most people are that smart, anyway. Only mistake here was not naming the thread after lust4blood. I hope she put his toon's name under tags. I personally despise people who won't honor their ransoms. I haven't had the chance to ransom anybody yet, but this event affects everybody's credibility in the end. Because people always check the forums looking to make sure their pirate is going to honor their ransom.
Actually if you get war decced by this guy, and he tell you to pay him isk to stop the war, you can google it and see that he isn't going to stand up for his word. |
Anya Klibor
Under the Wings of Fury
Atrocitas
181
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Posted - 2013.02.07 08:47:00 -
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Every time a pirate doesn't honor a ransom, it has a cascade effect that diminishes the likelihood of others believing us when we make ransom offers as well. EVE may be a harsh reality, but there should be some semblance of honor amongst people, even pirates.
You're cutting into my bottom line, ******. Don't expect me to be nice if I ever catch you. |
Lunix Sigtinius
Lunix Squared
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Posted - 2013.02.07 14:59:00 -
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thanks loves I hate it when people dont honor ransoms |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
359
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:10:00 -
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Lunix Sigtinius wrote:thanks loves I hate it when people dont honor ransoms
Yes but then common sense should tell that someone named lust4blood is unlikely to honor ransoms...
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
564
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:02:00 -
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Lunix Sigtinius wrote:thanks loves I hate it when people dont honor ransoms
I don't honor ransoms, but I don't hate you either. GÖÑ
Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |
Lunix Sigtinius
Lunix Squared
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:48:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Lunix Sigtinius wrote:thanks loves I hate it when people dont honor ransoms Yes but then common sense should tell that someone named lust4blood is unlikely to honor ransoms...
haha i know but i had some hope >.< |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
144
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Posted - 2013.02.08 01:15:00 -
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Damn that's a hat-trick of derp.
Got scammed
Wasted 100mil on a bounty he doesn't care about
Admitted it in public
GOOOOOOOOOAALLLLLL |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
333
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:11:00 -
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Pay a ransom is not dumb. People do honor ransoms (such as me) and there are other people who will not even comment in this forum topic, but read it and act upon this one person ruining it for the rest of us. |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
565
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Posted - 2013.02.08 17:20:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Pay a ransom is not dumb. People do honor ransoms (such as me) and there are other people who will not even comment in this forum topic, but read it and act upon this one person ruining it for the rest of us.
Act on me then?
Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1986
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Posted - 2013.02.09 00:47:00 -
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I bet OP believes used car salesman too.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
73
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Posted - 2013.02.09 01:01:00 -
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I think you should have hired some mercs to make his life miserable instead of placing a bounty. Besides, they would prolly give you a discount considering the circumstances.
DRINK COFFEE
Do stupid things Faster with More Energy |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2635
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Posted - 2013.02.09 01:26:00 -
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Had a pirate grab one of my scout alts one time and try to ransom an empty pod. All it took was saying "brb, googling to see you honor ransoms" to get instantly podded...which is what I wanted.
I still don't understand why people place bounties. I mean, I appreciate the cash, but it doesn't actually motivate anyone to kill them.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7590
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Posted - 2013.02.09 03:10:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Had a pirate grab one of my scout alts one time and try to ransom an empty pod. All it took was saying "brb, googling to see you honor ransoms" to get instantly podded...which is what I wanted.
I still don't understand why people place bounties. I mean, I appreciate the cash, but it doesn't actually motivate anyone to kill them.
I would've sat there and waited till you came back 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Corbin Blair
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.09 08:53:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Pay a ransom is not dumb. People do honor ransoms (such as me) and there are other people who will not even comment in this forum topic, but read it and act upon this one person ruining it for the rest of us.
There are two kinds of "pirates". There are (or at least were) real professional pirates. They make a living from it and are after money, not kill mails. They almost always honor ransoms. It's a lot better to get most of the value of a ship instead of whatever survives to make it into the can. It's better to get some money from a pod than none. You don't honor a ransom you're not going to get one next time and that hurts your bottom line. The other kind are people who PvP for fun and just call themselves pirates because they think it sounds cool or something. Those guys almost never honor ransoms.
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Had a pirate grab one of my scout alts one time and try to ransom an empty pod. All it took was saying "brb, googling to see you honor ransoms" to get instantly podded...which is what I wanted.
I still don't understand why people place bounties. I mean, I appreciate the cash, but it doesn't actually motivate anyone to kill them. I would've sat there and waited till you came back
I would have waited 1 minute, then assumed he was stalling until help arrived and podded him for screwing with me. |
Teardrop Butterfly
Vengeful Swan
50
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Posted - 2013.02.11 15:15:00 -
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I always honour ransoms.
Ransomed a pod for 500m recently actually (wish I'd asked for a bill, he wouldn't tell me what was in it).
Killboard |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
113
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Posted - 2013.02.11 19:09:00 -
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So you paid money to avoid a loss.
You got screwed.
and then you on-purpose lost another 100,000,000
seems legit. |
Bodewhin Schwarz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:52:00 -
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I try to honor ransoms, there has only been one occasion where I didn't and "accidentally" shot the pod after being paid, but really I don't like being called names when I'm trying to be nice about taking someones money... *Shrugs*
(¦Æ;..;)¦Æ |
VNX
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 14:56:00 -
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Would you rather get the pod blown to pieces directly? Ransoms are risky, but there is always a chance you get home safe. If you don't want to play the lottery just say nai. Its not a ******* guarantee. The same reason some govs wont cooperate with terrorists, there is no guarantee hostages will get home safe but you will ALWAYS entertain their habits as long as you pay.
Just because this dude didn't honor this time doesn't mean he wont next time. Its not always black and white.
However, OP is just fine, whats wrong with some sweet revenge? |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army
Atrocitas
110
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Posted - 2013.02.13 09:23:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Every time a pirate doesn't honor a ransom, it has a cascade effect that diminishes the likelihood of others believing us when we make ransom offers as well. EVE may be a harsh reality, but there should be some semblance of honor amongst people, even pirates.
You're cutting into my bottom line, ******. Don't expect me to be nice if I ever catch you.
That's why you need to be dealing with professionals like us where alliance policy is to honor ransoms and the alliance will reimburse you at the expense of the alliance and the offender if they break it.
If I'm personally not prepared to let you go I will say so, for example soloing an AF in a T1 frig once I was offered 40 mil to let him go, I told him I can't buy 50 points on battleclinic so he'd have to make the deal REALLY sweet if I was going to let him go. Had he been prepared to pay me 200 mil or something I would have let him go.
Just because I'm aggressive and violent doesn't mean I will automatically break my word too. It's why I give my word so rarely, but you can rest assured that a ransom from me is me giving you my word to let you leave, your pass is good until you jump out or re-ship. I even refunded the 500 mil ransom I got once on a Fleet Issue Tempest because the rats killed him before he could warp out, I had taken my point off and so that ship loss after payment was only mostly my fault. I might have been able to get away with keeping both the ransom and the kill but my reputation and my alliance reputation demanded I return the ISK. |
Gizznitt Malikite
agony unleashed
Agony Empire
1797
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Posted - 2013.02.13 17:05:00 -
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A lot of EvE players/corps/alliances have E-Honor....
And players that don't, especially in regards to ransoming, have a very negative impact on the entire E-Honor code....
Publishing their name is the right thing to do....
It won't get you isk back, but it opens them up to social justice!
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Anya Klibor
Under the Wings of Fury
Atrocitas
185
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:18:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
A lot of EvE players/corps/alliances have E-Honor....
And players that don't, especially in regards to ransoming, have a very negative impact on the entire E-Honor code....
Publishing their name is the right thing to do....
It won't get you isk back, but it opens them up to social justice!
I wouldn't say "a lot". Those of us in low sec that make some money (I made a 2-bil ransom from a Proteus pilot a few days ago, for example) will generally honor our ransom requests (read: ransom demands) because it's in our best interest to do so. People like to fall back on, "But EVE is a harsh and cruel world! Harden the **** up!" and act like that explains why they can be absolute pricks to everyone around them.
CCP likes to claim there's a "butterfly effect" in everything on does in EVE. It cascades exponentially until eventually, it reaches a plateau and can no longer grow. If one person does not honor a ransom (be it in a high security war dec or low security ship/pod ransom), then it cascades. People lose faith in the game. You need some semblance of honor to succeed in this game, and you need to foster some type of trust in the community at large. Pirates like myself make a living off of ransoms, as I said before. Hell, I had a reputation for the longest time around Dodixie for honoring all 1v1s that I offered. Sure, I had logistics on field, but they only came into play when the person decided to break it first (via their RR, or reshipping, or docking). It took months to cultivate such a reputation, and when I joined Rebirth. I lost it overnight because they didn't honor 1v1s. My word is only as good as those I surround myself with, and the fact that no matter what I did if there was a juicy kill, the CEO would demand to be allowed to get involved because he needed to pad his killboard.
Anyways, people like this hurt everyone. If there's no trust, then I don't make money. And I am not going to sit in L4s all day to fix that problem. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
886
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Posted - 2013.02.14 00:24:00 -
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If I'm ever in low-sec then I'm using a jump clone with no implants. Avoids a lot of stress.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Anya Klibor
Under the Wings of Fury
Atrocitas
185
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Posted - 2013.02.14 01:04:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:If I'm ever in low-sec then I'm using a jump clone with no implants. Avoids a lot of stress.
What about your ship? As I said I made a two-bil ransom off a Proteus last week. Some ships you just never want to lose. |
Raiz Nhell
Kangaroo Ate my baby
Li3 Federation
230
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Posted - 2013.02.14 06:21:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:If I'm ever in low-sec then I'm using a jump clone with no implants. Avoids a lot of stress. What about your ship? As I said I made a two-bil ransom off a Proteus last week. Some ships you just never want to lose.
I thought the motto of Eve was "Don't fly what you can't afford/want to lose"
As for ransoms:
- You undocked, see afore mentioned motto... this includes your pod
- You have just been jumped by people who were happy to reduce your nice ship to energetic slag without provocation...
- You didn't manage to get your pod out...
- They want ISK to let your pod go... see afore mentioned motto...
- You wonder if they will honour the ransom... see point about attacking without provocation...
2 options... lose ship and pod OR lose ship, ISK & probably pod...
See Eve motto.
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
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