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Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.08 18:34:00 -
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Candy Oshea wrote:
The BPO idea works if you want to sell your plex, then buy the BPO, then give to 3rd party researcher/holder , then host bond.
After reading up on this idea I believe this is the route we will be going. Due to the volatility of PLEX and a few other items we were thinking of offering as collateral having a BPO locked down being researched seems like a wonderful idea. Upon discussion with VV I wil let you guys know what we are thinking. As I am still waiting on our main BPO guy it may not be until later tonight.
Also Candy I sent you an EveMail! |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.08 21:22:00 -
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Quick update.
I spoke with VV earlier in-game about collateral holding. After a detailed discussion of the holding of BPO's vs PLEX as colateral I personally have decided that I would like to use BPO's as colateral rather than PLEX, however I cannot make this decision on behalf of my entire corporation so I will be discussing this with them tonight.
As of now I am looking at the interest rates. I have been browsing other offerings and I see the interest rates tend to be high on the uncollateralized offerings (obviously) and for colateralized it differs greatly. People have already showed concern at the interest rate being low @2%. There has also been the idea of KISS, and because of this I will be taking the advice and the following changes are effective immediately:
-Interest rate will now be 3% monthly.
-There will no longer be interest changes over certain stages of investment.
Now I know an extra 1% interest per month is not a huge difference, but again this is my first bond and I would like things to go smoothly as I get the hang of everything going on. Any questions or concerns about these changes please let me know! |
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
Blazing Angels Alliance
112
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Posted - 2013.02.08 23:41:00 -
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Hello Sasha,
I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.
Cheers,
Loan |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
58
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Posted - 2013.02.09 04:12:00 -
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2013's MD most constructive thread (please lock it now mods, before the evil sperg arrives)
I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
iCandy |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
58
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Posted - 2013.02.09 04:28:00 -
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Tom Hagen wrote:Hello Sasha,
I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.
Cheers,
Loan
Solid vouch for either VV or Tom, have done deals with both players, VV uses implanted science characters from memory, although im sure Tom can offer the same thing, without a 3rd party fee.
You are in a nice position having all these lenders competing
@Tom, you signed of that post "loan" have you been taking grisonol?
I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
iCandy |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.09 04:28:00 -
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Tom Hagen wrote:Hello Sasha,
I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.
Cheers,
Loan
Thanks for the interest Tom. As I said before this is just the discussion phase. I will be in touch!
Edit: Tom as of now we are compiling a list of BPO's that can be offered as collateral. The capital we are requesting is subject to change! |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.09 04:38:00 -
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Candy Oshea wrote:2013's MD most constructive thread (please lock it now mods, before the evil sperg arrives)
I hope not Candy as I feel this is incredibly productive, not only for me but for others who may be interested in creating bonds in the future! |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.09 04:40:00 -
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Candy Oshea wrote:Tom Hagen wrote:Hello Sasha,
I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.
Cheers,
Loan Solid vouch for either VV or Tom, have done deals with both players, VV uses implanted science characters from memory, although im sure Tom can offer the same thing, without a 3rd party fee. You are in a nice position having all these lenders competing @Tom, you signed of that post "loan" have you been taking grisonol?
I am happy to see there is interest. We are currently working on a list of possible collateral BPO's and hopefully by the end of tonight, maybe the weekend, we will have something to give to you guys for evaluation! |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
59
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Posted - 2013.02.09 05:51:00 -
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Sasha DiAlfero wrote:Candy Oshea wrote:Tom Hagen wrote:Hello Sasha,
I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.
Cheers,
Loan Solid vouch for either VV or Tom, have done deals with both players, VV uses implanted science characters from memory, although im sure Tom can offer the same thing, without a 3rd party fee. You are in a nice position having all these lenders competing @Tom, you signed of that post "loan" have you been taking grisonol? I am happy to see there is interest. We are currently working on a list of possible collateral BPO's and hopefully by the end of tonight, maybe the weekend, we will have something to give to you guys for evaluation!
Thats great, if you already own valuable BPO's that are in research, or not at there ME/PE for optimum builds, then leveraging them is a massive improvement to cash flow, for other opportunities that may come. And any loans against them are snapped up faster than Jerry can post his 20b.
I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
iCandy |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.09 05:54:00 -
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Candy Oshea wrote:Sasha DiAlfero wrote:Candy Oshea wrote:Tom Hagen wrote:Hello Sasha,
I can offer to hold the battleship BPO and research it for you @ an interest of 3% for the full amount of the loan.
Cheers,
Loan Solid vouch for either VV or Tom, have done deals with both players, VV uses implanted science characters from memory, although im sure Tom can offer the same thing, without a 3rd party fee. You are in a nice position having all these lenders competing @Tom, you signed of that post "loan" have you been taking grisonol? I am happy to see there is interest. We are currently working on a list of possible collateral BPO's and hopefully by the end of tonight, maybe the weekend, we will have something to give to you guys for evaluation! Thats great, if you already own valuable BPO's that are in research, or not at there ME/PE for optimum builds, then leveraging them is a massive improvement to cash flow, for other opportunities that may come. And any loans against them are snapped up faster than Jerry can post his 20b.
I beat him to it in my discussion thread ftw!
Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
Also prepledging Jerry's 20B as this seems to be his go to troll <3
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3789
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Posted - 2013.02.09 13:37:00 -
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In case you expand the investment to cover more BPOs, I'll invest in it, hold the BPOs and also research them.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.09 18:29:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:In case you expand the investment to cover more BPOs, I'll invest in it, hold the BPOs and also research them.
Will be in touch!
Thank you all again for such a constructive thread. My BPO guy and a few others have a meeting scheduled tonight in which we will decide exactly what we will have to offer for collateral and give you guys a good estimate of what we will be looking for when the bond launches (yes I said when!).
Thanks again. |
Genoir
Project Elysium
8
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Posted - 2013.02.10 08:57:00 -
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Just in case the myriad of offers you've received don't pan out I'd be happy to cover the full loan amount.
Direct or via 3rd party. BPO's (up to 5) can be researched during loan duration if direct. |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.10 23:06:00 -
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Genoir wrote:Just in case the myriad of offers you've received don't pan out I'd be happy to cover the full loan amount.
Direct or via 3rd party. BPO's (up to 5) can be researched during loan duration if direct.
Sounds good thank you for you're interest Genoir. |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:05:00 -
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After a about 8 hours of discussion and running the numbers this weekend we have decided to hold back on launching the bond today. I will be contacting those who have showed interest in investing sometime this week and give you a proper launch date. I do apologize for the wait but after the conversations we had we just weren't sure it was the right time and that we were going to be ready for battleship production for some time.
Again I do apologize. If anyone has any questions please let me know! |
Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire
Blazing Angels Alliance
112
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Posted - 2013.02.11 16:51:00 -
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Hello Sasha,
No worries, if you present a well thought out proposal, I am sure you will get good proposals back later, I am definately interested to follow up when/if you are ready :-) |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:33:00 -
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I don't understand.
If you have the PLEX to raise the funds.... why not use the PLEX and not bother with a bond unless you have an end-game in sight to raise ever larger amounts and eventually run off with the ISK?
You -have- your billion in PLEX already. If you are going to be using a billion ISK to make ISK cash in the PLEX and make the ISK then you are out ahead without spending an additional 30 million.
So... why?
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Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
113
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Posted - 2013.02.11 19:52:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:I don't understand.
If you have the PLEX to raise the funds.... why not use the PLEX and not bother with a bond unless you have an end-game in sight to raise ever larger amounts and eventually run off with the ISK?
You -have- your billion in PLEX already. If you are going to be using a billion ISK to make ISK cash in the PLEX and make the ISK then you are out ahead without spending an additional 30 million.
So... why?
What this guy said.
You want to raise 1b.
and you are sitting on 2 plex.
lets put 2 and 2 together here.
sell the plexies.
either your trying to gain reputation. or you are making things more complex and crazy than they need to be |
Jordan Kandou Worley
The House of JuIii
The Roman Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 03:40:00 -
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you are aware we can see your corp...
right? |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 03:53:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:I don't understand.
If you have the PLEX to raise the funds.... why not use the PLEX and not bother with a bond unless you have an end-game in sight to raise ever larger amounts and eventually run off with the ISK?
You -have- your billion in PLEX already. If you are going to be using a billion ISK to make ISK cash in the PLEX and make the ISK then you are out ahead without spending an additional 30 million.
So... why?
Let me see if I can clarify a few things for you.
The PLEX as collateral was my initial idea. 2x PLEX = Over 1Billion ISK, overcollateralized bond = gets filled by almost anyone who has any decent business sense. Claire Coffee brought up a good point about PLEX being a pretty unstable item and the chance at revaluation throughout the bond.
After asking what others thought would be a good standard source of collateral, Candy Oshea listed an incredible post filled with questions, many of which I had never even considered. The idea of BPO's as collateral was born (well not born but a big light went on in my head). And so it came to fruition that we would be using BPO's as collateral.
As to why I don't just liquidate my PLEX and use the 1 billion ISK to fund this operation...
-I have stated before this is on behalf of my corporation and the PLEX don't belong solely to me, they were just the first idea we had of something that could be offered as colateral and would be widely accepted.
-When the idea of BPO's being collateral at NPC prices came up we all sort of "why the heck didn't we think of that" and realized the potential of offering a BPO that could be researched during the length of the bond.
-At the end of the bond, we receive a researched BPO, the investor receives the initial capital + all incurred interest and both parties are happy. I underlined that text because it took a while for even my BPO guy to understand the idea behind it..
If this doesn't answer you're question please feel free to respond again with a more specific question, or rather something that wasn't previously answered. |
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Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:07:00 -
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Alex Grison wrote:Fractal Muse wrote:I don't understand.
If you have the PLEX to raise the funds.... why not use the PLEX and not bother with a bond unless you have an end-game in sight to raise ever larger amounts and eventually run off with the ISK?
You -have- your billion in PLEX already. If you are going to be using a billion ISK to make ISK cash in the PLEX and make the ISK then you are out ahead without spending an additional 30 million.
So... why?
What this guy said. You want to raise 1b. and you are sitting on 2 plex. lets put 2 and 2 together here. sell the plexies. either your trying to gain reputation. or you are making things more complex and crazy than they need to be
Well Claire, called it.
Alex in response to you're post I will go ahead and link you my response. I made this post in order to ask legitimate questions and get some ideas if I was headed in the right direction. Putting 2 and 2 together does not equal triangle.
As to the reputation grind, I have brought forward a business proposal, offered collateral and then asked for advice BEFORE even thinking about launching a half arsed uncollateralized bond which seem to somehow either be scooped up quickly or torn to shreds by the regulars into oblivion. I have no interest in "reputation grinding" as it it offers me no added bonus to this or any future bonds I hold.
So again I ask you to actually read what has been posted in this bond, to offer questions that hadn't already been posted or just read for you're enjoyment.
I hate to sound frustrated Alex I just don't know how to respond to the same question multiple times and not copy and paste my previous posts.
Should you have any further inquires, please feel free to leave a message here or send me an EveMail. |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:08:00 -
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Jordan Kandou Worley wrote:you are aware we can see your corp...
right?
Yes, I am fully aware that you can see my NPC corp on my alt. |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
64
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:38:00 -
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When are we going to see this venture begin?,
The delay from discussion to bond, is causing this fine thread to be turned into an MD thread.
I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
iCandy |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
425
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:55:00 -
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Scam. |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:55:00 -
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Candy Oshea wrote:When are we going to see this venture begin?,
The delay from discussion to bond, is causing this fine thread to be turned into an MD thread.
After having long discussions and running the numbers with my corp mates we decided not to launch this week. I plan on working as hard as possible this week doing whatever I can to have it launch by next week. As I said before we just don't think we are ready for battleship production, and as much as I would like to get this going we want to be prepared so that when the BPO comes back under our control we are ready to build it, rather than just buying it to run the bond.
Candy, as much as I would have loved to launch tonight we just didn't feel it was the right time. As it stands I am glad to have posted this discussion rather than just posting a bond, that might have been filled, but most likely would have been flamed to death. I was in the middle of writing the interested investors a message about why we decided not to launch today and the plan for the coming week or 2.
I will be in touch, should you have any questions PLEASE let me know...and I do apologize for the delays. |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 05:04:00 -
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Well to each his own Varius. I came here looking for advice, attempting to answer any questions before even attempting to launch a bond. Calling an overly collateralized bond a scam before it even launches seems silly to me, but again I am an unknown face in the MD and I understand people will deface any decent proposal they deem fit.
With this said, should you have any questions or feel the need to post something with some actual content, please feel free. Otherwise enjoy you're stay and thank you for the post. |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
64
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Posted - 2013.02.12 05:30:00 -
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Sasha DiAlfero wrote:Well to each his own Varius. I came here looking for advice, attempting to answer any questions before even attempting to launch a bond. Calling an overly collateralized bond a scam before it even launches seems silly to me, but again I am an unknown face in the MD and I understand people will deface any decent proposal they deem fit. With this said, should you have any questions or feel the need to post something with some actual content, please feel free. Otherwise enjoy you're stay and thank you for the post.
Think you missed the sarcasm.
I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
iCandy |
Sasha DiAlfero
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.02.12 05:36:00 -
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Candy Oshea wrote:Sasha DiAlfero wrote:Well to each his own Varius. I came here looking for advice, attempting to answer any questions before even attempting to launch a bond. Calling an overly collateralized bond a scam before it even launches seems silly to me, but again I am an unknown face in the MD and I understand people will deface any decent proposal they deem fit. With this said, should you have any questions or feel the need to post something with some actual content, please feel free. Otherwise enjoy you're stay and thank you for the post. Think you missed the sarcasm.
I told myself I would respond to every comment in the thread, wether it be positive or negative, in the best way I could. After 6 hours of class and 8 hours of work I do apologize if I missed the "sarcasm" in a one word post on my thread. |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
64
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Posted - 2013.02.12 05:49:00 -
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Sasha DiAlfero wrote:
I told myself I would respond to every comment in the thread, wether it be positive or negative, in the best way I could. After 6 hours of class and 8 hours of work I do apologize if I missed the "sarcasm" in a one word post on my thread.
Gotto watch that replying nonsense !!!!
Thats how MD threads are made in the first place 
I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
iCandy |
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