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Stuart85
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Posted - 2005.07.18 23:41:00 -
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A corp mate surprised me the other day, telling me that an Osprey with Caldari cruiser lvl 5 could actually out-mine a Retriever barge. Is this true?
Thanks
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.07.18 23:43:00 -
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Yes, but if you're a serious miner, you'll go for the Covetor, which doesn't take much longer to train than Cruiser V.
At V the Osprey (and Scythe) get a 200% bonus to ore yield, meaning they have effectively 6 miners instead of 3.
 Originally by: Morela
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Stuart85
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Posted - 2005.07.19 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Yes, but if you're a serious miner, you'll go for the Covetor, which doesn't take much longer to train than Cruiser V.
At V the Osprey (and Scythe) get a 200% bonus to ore yield, meaning they have effectively 6 miners instead of 3.
Thanks, I see. Well, I'm not a very serious miner, and getting Cruiser lvl 5 would allow me to train for HACs. Then again, do I really want a Caldari HAC? 
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.07.19 01:08:00 -
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Minmatar HACs are very nice. You could go for that and use a Scythe.
Originally by: Morela
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.07.19 02:08:00 -
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Nah, I think you need 7 miner 2s worth to outmine a retreiver... and an Osprey with Cruiser V only mines like 6 worth.
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Engar
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Posted - 2005.07.19 04:00:00 -
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I might be wrong, but I believe it also requires all of the astrology skill at lvl4 or 5 to make the Osprey mine as quickly. Osprey is certainly a good choice for mining, but it takes work to out do the retriever.
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Ishtari
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Posted - 2005.07.19 06:31:00 -
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Yeah right. And you ll be getting wrist injuries in no time from dragging ore out of cargo into a can. Really those cruisers need a much larger cargo bay to be worth it imo.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.07.19 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Monty Burns on 19/07/2005 08:43:46
Originally by: Ishtari
Yeah right. And you ll be getting wrist injuries in no time from dragging ore out of cargo into a can. Really those cruisers need a much larger cargo bay to be worth it imo.
That would depend on how you exercise your wrist  
Seriously though, its not really that much of an issue and barges tend to let people fall asleep, not watch the screen and then *BAM* they are scrambled! Usualy followed with a "where the hell did you come from?" in local. I know this to be true as I have got more than a couple in 0.1 to .4 with my ebil alt.
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Zeb Carter
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Posted - 2005.07.19 16:36:00 -
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There is no way that an Osprey will outmine a Retreiver.
With maximum skills on an Osprey (Mining 5, Astrogeology 5, and Cruiser 5) using 3x Miner II's the Osprey pulls in 562.5m¦/minute.
With minimum skills on a Retreiver (Mining 4, Astrogeology 4, Barge 3) using 2x Strip Miner I's the Retreiver brings in 565.056m¦/minute.
While the difference there is small, consider the extra training time to get the Osprey to do that much.
If you use the same skill levels for the barge (Mining 5, Astrogeology 5, and bump barge up to 4 even) You'll be getting 630m¦/minute. If you go the extra distance and bring Barge up to 5 (at which point you should be using a Covetor) you'll be at 646.875m¦/minute in a Retreiver.
So while an Osprey gets nearly as much with maximum skills as a Retriever does with minimum skills, consider how much training time is necesarry to do so. You'd be better of investing that time into training for a Covetor, as it would take considerably less time to get into a large barge (Cruiser being a rank 5 skill vs Mining Barge being rank 4).
This isn't to say that the Osprey doesn't have a role in mining anymore. It's a good stepping stone for newbies while they work their way towards a barge. It also makes a decent disposable low-sec miner.
For those that argue that the Osprey is better simply because it can defend itself, well that is a valid point. However, I've had no problems solo mining in my Retreiver in space as low as 0.2 with simply an armor rep and armor plate in my lowslots and a bay full of medium drones. Since I got into a Covetor I fear rats even less.
The choice between the two is obviously up to you. But don't let people fool you into believing that an Osprey can outmine a medium barge. It would be possible for an Osprey with max skills in addition to the use of Modulated Deep Core Miner II's to outmine a Retreiver with minimum skills, but if you went through the trouble of training ALL those skills to be able to use DCM II's , and wasted them on an Osprey instead of getting into a Retreiver and using Modulated Strip Miner II's you'd be an absolute fool.
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Stuart85
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Posted - 2005.07.19 19:12:00 -
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Thanks for the that Zeb, what I was really after was hard figures to compare with. I'll stick with an Osprey at lvl4 for now, or at least until I have more time to devote to training barge skills.
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Greyshadow
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Posted - 2005.07.20 11:50:00 -
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I agree with zeb, since getting a retriever never gone back to a osprey, I was mining with a friend when I first got it and he was using a osprey. We did indeed notice that my friend was pulling in a fair amount of ore which did concern me but once we had been mining for a good hour or more you start to notice how much more the retriever pulls in. Soon after that my friend got a retriever.
Only thing is you did need drones for that protection which I'm working on.
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