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Lorelei Tsu
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.08 19:32:00 -
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Proddy Scun wrote: How about adding a conscript recruit function for all those toons hiding out in NPC holding corps? I know CCP never really intended that players avoid the full EVE experience by remaining in NPC holding corp forever (cowards). Nor did CCP intend for holding corp to become a wardec proof refuge for pirates and ganker toons to conduct business. source
How about that: GÇó Every toon who is member of a NPC corporation and older than 21 days will be automatically conscripted by a NPC corporation participating in FW. GÇó That said corporation will be henceforth the fallback-corporation, too. GÇó The only way to avoid it is to become member of a player-run corporation GÇö or found a new one.
After all, the Empire is at war! And every brat not otherwise occupied is needed in the military. All-in.
That way there's no immunity to wardecs. That is, if you're okay with mandatory PvP GÇö or if you opt-out by doing your business in a off-the-path silent solar system. http://tsu.sarumindustries.de/ |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
467
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Posted - 2013.02.08 19:57:00 -
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NPC corp members are only immune to consequence-free PvP.
If they tick you off that much, just fly into a mass of them with a disco-ball battleship and harvest the tears that will then flow freely down upon you. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2013.02.08 20:21:00 -
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"You dec the corp, not the player"
/thread Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.08 20:43:00 -
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Make it by a mix of sp/time for this to take effect, 60 days and/or 6 mill sp sounds reasonable to me |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.02.08 21:09:00 -
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I've never understood, why some get their panties in a twist over NPC corps. They've always been here and it doesn't stop them from being shot.
Vote Malcanis for CSM 8 |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
880
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Posted - 2013.02.08 21:19:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I've never understood, why some get their panties in a twist over NPC corps. They've always been here and it doesn't stop them from being shot.
I put it down to a lack of creativity personally. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13976
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Posted - 2013.02.08 21:23:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Mag's wrote:I've never understood, why some get their panties in a twist over NPC corps. They've always been here and it doesn't stop them from being shot. I put it down to a lack of creativity personally. This could mean they wore the wrong panties.
Vote Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1121
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Posted - 2013.02.08 21:29:00 -
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Lorelei Tsu wrote:Proddy Scun wrote: How about adding a conscript recruit function for all those toons hiding out in NPC holding corps? I know CCP never really intended that players avoid the full EVE experience by remaining in NPC holding corp forever (cowards). Nor did CCP intend for holding corp to become a wardec proof refuge for pirates and ganker toons to conduct business. sourceHow about that: GÇó Every toon who is member of a NPC corporation and older than 21 days will be automatically conscripted by a NPC corporation participating in FW. GÇó That said corporation will be henceforth the fallback-corporation, too. GÇó The only way to avoid it is to become member of a player-run corporation GÇö or found a new one. After all, the Empire is at war! And every brat not otherwise occupied is needed in the military. All-in. That way there's no immunity to wardecs. That is, if you're okay with mandatory PvP GÇö or if you opt-out by doing your business in a off-the-path silent solar system.
So where is the DEV comment to backup that quote in the OP? Having a random user spout something doesn't make it true. Until there is something to back up that sentiment, essentially this entire thread is based off a false assumption.
I've played games where the starter quest agents would not talk to you once you got past level one, almost like the devs planned it that way. I see nothing like that here. |
Shokre O'Corwi
The Squid Squad Slumdogs
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Posted - 2013.02.08 21:31:00 -
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While we're at it, I think all player corps with tax less then 100% should automatically be in war with CONCORD. How's that for a silly proposition? :D |
Mikhael Taron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.02.09 21:40:00 -
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This fascination with NPC corps is due to their protecting new players from the cowards who want to grief them while they're still not up to speed with the mechanics of this game. It must rankle; wanting to pick on newbs but knowing concord will be on your tail faster than you can scream "mummy, I've wet myself again". You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.02.10 17:40:00 -
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Mikhael Taron wrote:This fascination with NPC corps is due to their protecting new players from the cowards who want to grief them while they're still not up to speed with the mechanics of this game. It must rankle; wanting to pick on newbs but knowing concord will be on your tail faster than you can scream "mummy, I've wet myself again".
And vice versa... cowards who hide in NPC corps and go around bumping miners then hide behind concord protection and "legitimate" game mechanics... If only those NPC corps could be decced... Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:41:00 -
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So then, they are randomly assigned a FW group. Congratulations, you've locked them out of a large amount of High Sec space without their consent. Congratulations you've further unbalanced the membership that each militia has. Congratulations, people in FW who avoid PvP as much as possible.
Honestly, this thread should be war deccable. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
687
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:54:00 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:So then, they are randomly assigned a FW group. Congratulations, you've locked them out of a large amount of High Sec space without their consent. Congratulations you've further unbalanced the membership that each militia has. Congratulations, people in FW who avoid PvP as much as possible.
Honestly, this thread should be war deccable.
Some people just want carebears to shoot for their risk-free pvp. Don't waste your breath on them. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Mikhael Taron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.11 17:25:00 -
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However, there is a good point made by
Asuka Solo wrote: And vice versa... cowards who hide in NPC corps and go around bumping miners then hide behind concord protection and "legitimate" game mechanics... If only those NPC corps could be decced...
Having thought about this I'm putting this RFC to the readers.
Wardeccable NPC corps.
Digest the follwing before posting plz.
In order that new players can get up to speed on the game's mechanics without being the current cannon-fodder for the vermin, the starter corp with remain inviolate. In fact: suiganking someone in the corp will be considered an exploit. Keep reading
Plenty of those "in the know" have said that with six month's training a pilot can take down any other pilot in a like-for-like ship. Therefore no player at six or more months remains in the noob corp. His toon will be moved automatically to the NPC corp he will arrive in if he joins a player corp and then leaves. If he attacks another player in violation of Concord's rules - brings them down on him - he will be considered to know what he's about and be moved immediately to the NPC corp. In the event someone manages to con the newb into do it, a petition can sort out that. No need for the software to cater for it.
Those NPC corps ARE wardeccable. Not ALL NPC corps, just those ones. If you're in a corp that has wardecced it, the station guns WILL fire upon you and you won't be able to dock. However, you will be able to attack with impunity anyone in that NPC corp. This will have many ramifications, some considerable.
- Pirate corps will no longer be able to have an out of corp hauler safe from those who seek vengeance. The only way to have one available is to repeatedly train one up every six months, or pray no one wardecs the corp in which he's hiding.
- Any griefer getting jollies off your mining ships can now be wardecced and taught a lesson.
- People in that NPC corp can fight each other with impunity; they are, after all, in the same corp. Those who like the quiet life in their npc corp will soon slap down the griefer for causing THEM grief. Point to discuss: nulsec players wanting a laugh by leaving their corp, to end up in the NPC corp for free hits at the other players in the corp. However, they will not encounter anyone under six months old. There could be a flood of them arriving, but prolly not. Better things to do?
- No mining bots hiding forever behind immunity.
- New players are still 'safe' within the noob corp while learning the ropes, at least for up to six months.
Possible problems include permanent wardeccing of these NPC corps. However, that would be an incentive for those in them to join player corporations. Maybe not so much of a problem?
Maybe: on an account where at least one toon is six-plus months old all toons start in the wardeccable NPC corp? The player is, after all, experienced; or ought to be!
This could probably be fleshed out, but I believe the basic idea is sound.
Comments? You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can make a fool out of yourself anytime.
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ALI Virgo
S O L O M O N STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2013.02.11 17:34:00 -
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one can only join ccp corp for 15 days after that they are kicked and drafed to faction war !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed.
1302
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:01:00 -
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There is no value in this idea.
I am sorry if you feel this is needed, but you are taking a game, famous for the sandbox where all things can be done...
...And telling a group of people, "Well, except for the things you are doing here, those will be forced onto you differently"
Do you honestly believe you can harvest PvE tears by this obvious force feed into FW? All this will accomplish is diluting the FW corps with players who are not interested, and will seek means to bypass this.
And, that is assuming they stay in the game playing, after being railroaded into this.
Keep this in mind, you need to demonstrate harm in order to limit options for other players. There is no specific process, but rather you need to do this in order to justify your changes as being more than self serving efforts. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Tennessee Jack
Blac-x
11
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:06:00 -
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Lorelei Tsu wrote:Proddy Scun wrote: How about adding a conscript recruit function for all those toons hiding out in NPC holding corps? I know CCP never really intended that players avoid the full EVE experience by remaining in NPC holding corp forever (cowards). Nor did CCP intend for holding corp to become a wardec proof refuge for pirates and ganker toons to conduct business. sourceHow about that: GÇó Every toon who is member of a NPC corporation and older than 21 days will be automatically conscripted by a NPC corporation participating in FW. GÇó That said corporation will be henceforth the fallback-corporation, too. GÇó The only way to avoid it is to become member of a player-run corporation GÇö or found a new one. After all, the Empire is at war! And every brat not otherwise occupied is needed in the military. All-in. That way there's no immunity to wardecs. That is, if you're okay with mandatory PvP GÇö or if you opt-out by doing your business in a off-the-path silent solar system.
If the player wants to be in the NPC corporation.. honestly.. its their choice.
Are they missing a huge part of Eve.. Yes. Then again, those who do not do manufacturing are missing a huge part of Eve too...Construction Those who do not do exploration are missing a huge part of eve too... Those who do not wormhole Those who are in Null and Never Enter Empire Space (think of it in reverse, those guys are missing a Huge part of Eve).
It is their choice, if they do not want to join a corporation, and just be a huddled in the NPC corp.. their choice. |
Lorelei Tsu
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.11 20:57:00 -
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Players can skip FW by joining or founding a player-run corporation.
There will be an end to avoiding consequences, though, as the (imperfect due to ganks) NPC-corporation immunity will end after that grace period GÇö without introducing any new complicated game mechanics. http://tsu.eve-connect.com/ GÇö (in German) |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed.
1303
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:02:00 -
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Lorelei Tsu wrote:Players can skip FW by joining or founding a player-run corporation.
There will be an end to avoiding consequences, though, as the (imperfect due to ganks) NPC-corporation immunity will end after that grace period GÇö without introducing any new complicated game mechanics. Why should this be necessary?
There is no legitimate reason why cannot choose to make the sacrifices needed to avoid combat.
They get lesser rewards in high sec, they get more crowded space to compete over PvE opportunities, and they cannot use local nearly as effectively to avoid hostiles willing to suicide gank. Add to that the corp tax rate in NPC corps.
It is perfectly acceptable for them to avoid combat, if that's how they want to play. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Zoe Panala
Blobcats
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:11:00 -
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Good idea, but needs a little fix: after N days, you are drafted into one of the 4 biggest sov holding alliances. |
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed.
1304
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:15:00 -
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Zoe Panala wrote:Good idea, but needs a little fix: after N days, you are drafted into one of the 4 biggest sov holding alliances. Awesome!
Now, why couldn't they just say this at the beginning? It redeems their entire idea!
Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:19:00 -
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I'm still waiting on the DEV backup to the claim used by the OP. Until then the whole argument is based on just a random unsubstantiated claim by a random EVE player. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
635
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:24:00 -
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NPC corps aren't much of a threat to anyone.
even when used by bumpers and gankers, if u war-decced such gankers they would just dock up for a week and nothing would be accomplished.
if u have trouble with being bumped or otherwise harassed by ppl in NPC corps, then move to a different region of space and continue whatever u were doing. if the griefers follow u to every region u go to, it apparently constitutes as harassment and is petitionable. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
705
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:03:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:NPC corps aren't much of a threat to anyone.
even when used by bumpers and gankers, if u war-decced such gankers they would just dock up for a week and nothing would be accomplished.
if u have trouble with being bumped or otherwise harassed by ppl in NPC corps, then move to a different region of space and continue whatever u were doing. if the griefers follow u to every region u go to, it apparently constitutes as harassment and is petitionable.
You're taking that seriously? It was such an obvious excuse, what OP really wanted is more carebears to shoot. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
638
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:12:00 -
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i didnt always take things so seriously. but then 'blue-waffle'.
i was blinded so badly my pupils disappeared <--- see
no more not-taking-things-seriously. seriously. |
Niveuss Nye
The Advent of Faith
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:48:00 -
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Zoe Panala wrote:Good idea, but needs a little fix: after N days, you are drafted into one of the 4 biggest sov holding alliances.
Will not fly.
The big sov holding corps do NOT want just anyone joining.
Most of them want full API, your first born daughter to sell into sex slavery, a blood sample, an okay rep, and the ability to fly certain ships, and a SP minumum.
Corps in Goonswarm want a Something Awful account with a post history and/or sponsership and would cry mureder on folks not in the clique being put in there automatically.
Listen, I like to carebear and try to get the occasional tear, too.
I think a good compromise is that school NPC corps are not touchable but you can only be in them for X amount of months. Just like real life, you can not stay in the college dorm forever just like real life.
Other NPC corps being deccable may be something to look at. Only think is this: All those NPC corps are part of a NPC alliance/empire. So, if you declare war on one, you are essentially declaring war on what ever empire. I do not think the Caldari would like it if you started shooting folks in say, Perkone who is a major player in NPC politics. You should not be able to dock in that space and probably have the gate guns and station guns fire on you. You should also have to pay based on the cost of ALL members of all NPC corps in that empire and in turn be KOS there. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Unclaimed.
1312
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Posted - 2013.02.12 15:18:00 -
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Niveuss Nye wrote:Zoe Panala wrote:Good idea, but needs a little fix: after N days, you are drafted into one of the 4 biggest sov holding alliances. Will not fly. The big sov holding corps do NOT want just anyone joining. Most of them want full API, your first born daughter to sell into sex slavery, a blood sample, an okay rep, and the ability to fly certain ships, and a SP minumum. Corps in Goonswarm want a Something Awful account with a post history and/or sponsership and would cry mureder on folks not in the clique being put in there automatically. Listen, I like to carebear and try to get the occasional tear, too. I think a good compromise is that school NPC corps are not touchable but you can only be in them for X amount of months. Just like real life, you can not stay in the college dorm forever just like real life. Other NPC corps being deccable may be something to look at. Only think is this: All those NPC corps are part of a NPC alliance/empire. So, if you declare war on one, you are essentially declaring war on what ever empire. I do not think the Caldari would like it if you started shooting folks in say, Perkone who is a major player in NPC politics. You should not be able to dock in that space and probably have the gate guns and station guns fire on you. You should also have to pay based on the cost of ALL members of all NPC corps in that empire and in turn be KOS there.
Hey Zoe Panala, your trap caught one! Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
239
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Posted - 2013.02.12 15:34:00 -
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Lorelei Tsu wrote: How about that: GÇó Every toon who is member of a NPC corporation and older than 21 days will be automatically conscripted by a NPC corporation participating in FW. GÇó That said corporation will be henceforth the fallback-corporation, too. GÇó The only way to avoid it is to become member of a player-run corporation GÇö or found a new one.
After all, the Empire is at war! And every brat not otherwise occupied is needed in the military. All-in.
That way there's no immunity to wardecs. That is, if you're okay with mandatory PvP GÇö or if you opt-out by doing your business in a off-the-path silent solar system.
Why should this be implemented? I personally don't like NPC corps much, but this is a game and people should be able to do what they want to do. If they want to stay out of trouble because they want to enjoy some carebearing, then let them do it.
Anyways, even if they are in an NPC corp and stay only in high-sec you still can kill them. So there are not safe in eve, it is just that it seems the consequences of killing them in high-sec are just to high for you. So either stop griefing or just grow some balls and kill then in high-sec. |
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