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Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.02.11 10:23:00 -
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A1C Jericho wrote:I never said missile ships are terrible, read the original post carefully, i only wanted to point out that there isn't a BS missile platform that can perform this role as effectively or perhaps "easily" as a cruiser / frigate missile platform, while other weapon systems can do this transition more effectively in their line of ships.
Not really sure what you mean here, those smaller weapons systems apply the damage well to targets the same size or larger than themselves and the same is true of a torp battleship. How often do you see battleships floating around in small gangs these days though? Small gang is important though because as stated already missiles frequently perform better in small gangs than giant fleets.
If you think a HAM Caracal for example can apply a lot of damage to a frigate, I have a video from last night I can upload raw to youtube for you. I get primaried by two HAM Caracals, a Scythe (granted it's only one launcher to appear on mails and shame on the pilot for that) and a Blackbird, not great missile dps by any stretch but not zero either. I'm flying a dual rep Incursus which I brought specifically because I knew what I was getting into and as it turns out I was overcautious, even with all the drones on me I tanked it on one rep without even breaking a sweat AND I wasn't even linked. Heavy missiles I might have needed that second rep and rapid lights I would have been instantly killed, but that's lights vs. frigate at that point.
Torps do fit this general trend in missiles it's just easier to see because the number of ships they have a hard time applying damage to is much greater than for smaller missiles and they have a hard time applying damage to a lot of the ships you see more frequently. |
Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2013.02.11 10:50:00 -
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Torp BSs do frig class damage to frigates. So when fighting a frig in a torp BS (worst case) you basically get a frig vs. frig fight while one of both "frigs" has BS tank, cap and utility. Doesn't sound that bad to me tbh.
Sure...a torp BS cannot blap said frig. But at the same time this BS will never be completely useless against frigs orbiting under large turrets. With growing numbers turret BSs become better because of positioning. At least one of them should have zero transversal. Also: instant damage.
By this logic missile BSs are true (very) small gang ships! |
Oska Rus
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.11 11:48:00 -
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typhoon. :D 4xtorps, 4x650mm, web, scram, TP, armour tank. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:19:00 -
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A1C Jericho wrote:Hi all i am quite new at this (game & forums) and i apologize in advance if there's been a topic regarding this matter posted before... but while i keep reading and searching about this, i realize that beside the already viable Caldari ships ( Drake, Tengu and so on ) there is a "hole" in the battleship line of ships that can use missiles effectively for pvp!
I would like to hear opinions or advice regarding this from more seasoned veterans of the game.
Thx!
As soon as you start getting on BS sized Missiles you better train that Target Painter skill, fit at least one and have good drone skills (to kill tacklers), if you don't use or don't want to use at least one TP, forget about it.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:22:00 -
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Oska Rus wrote:typhoon. :D 4xtorps, 4x650mm, web, scram, TP, armour tank.
Awesome with top skills however this means top gunnery skills and missile skills+drones, not sure at all this is what OP needs. Seems he's calamari so add on top armor skills to use that "thing" properly.
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Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:41:00 -
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Torp raven is a nice small gang ship. More like an oversized HAM Drake. Just let your friends tackle and web (daredevils or rapiers are OK for that) and with your painter (usually 2X painters) you will apply almost full damage to BC and BS range, and good damage to cruisers.
The problem is, most of the time 2 bombers have the same DPS and three times the range, while retaining frig speed and GTFO capabilities in case something goes wrong. Most of the time I use Manticores, but sometimes I bring the big fat ass to the party.
But as a heavy DPS/Anchor in small BC fleets is quite good. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2013.02.11 15:13:00 -
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Gal'o Sengen wrote:The problem is more that there's only two Tech 1 Missile Battleship hulls, compared to like a Dozen Turret ones. Torpedoes desperately need more range though. At least 35km.
Mine have... Oh wait, Golem. Sry I tend to forget that. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
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