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Spying Alt
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Posted - 2005.07.20 12:37:00 -
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Ive just about managed to get into a caldri ceptor and have relativly good skills, however i was always planing to go for a crow but now after the patch ive heard the rapture is much better. Is it still fesiable to fit the crow with a full rack of T2 std launchers cuase they use a huge amount of grid especialy when combined with a T2 150 and a T2 afterburner.
Should i still go a crow and squeeze on std launchers or should i switch to rockets, or am i simply better of using the raptor?
Could you guys show me some good setups that work post patch for these ships.
Mike
( i mainly will use them for pvp)
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.07.20 13:29:00 -
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Crow wins. By the time the raptor can get into range to use its two guns, assuming thats the way you go, the crow's standard missiles should've been able to tear it apart.
I don't know about t2 standards, but I am able to fit three of the AA-#### standards if I drop a nosferatu. And the nosferatu wouldn't do me much good at the range I can use standards at. But my standards can go about 40km, which should be out of the range of the raptor unless it starts using long range wimpy charges.
I love raptor. Its got a good luck and a neat purpose, but crow is still better for attack.
Keeping in mind that if you want what most people call a 'victory' you won't get it with a crow this way. There isn't going to be any warp scrambling on this longer range rig.
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 Originally by: CCP Hammer
This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:09:00 -
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Standard missiles hit fast frigs from tiny damage. Raptor with 2x125+2xRockets will pwn a crow with 3xstandard launchers.
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Zaintiraris on 20/07/2005 14:13:52
Edited by: Zaintiraris on 20/07/2005 14:13:01
Grrr. I forgot to mention that target Painter II's you'd be using. Not to mention you've gotta stay out of their range... such that you can hit them and they can't hit you. Cuz you are in an interceptor and can be fast. Crow is just fast enough, and you should be able to squeeze in a MWD II
Oh and even better, how about some ECM? There are no FoF rockets.
(Grumbles about multiple edits for continuing thoughts)
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Spying Alt
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:15:00 -
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Hehe i didnt litrally mean vs each other but thanks for the replys guys, I ment which one is better to use for general pvp. Your long range crow setup is pretty nice however being a ceptor im generally expected to tackle hence i need to be within 20km to warpscramble (can the cap support a 20km disrubtor in addition to everything eles?). Anyone got any good setups for either ships that can warp scramble but still have some nice firepower?
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Stribog
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Balistic Void
Standard missiles hit fast frigs from tiny damage. Raptor with 2x125+2xRockets will pwn a crow with 3xstandard launchers.
You can use 2x125+2xRockets on a Crow to.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:31:00 -
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Try rockets and cry.
I have the new missiles skills all at 3 and won't bother training them further, much better to invest in turrets at the moment.
Rockets do no damage to fast frigates. I could have written 'do little damage' but it wouldn't have been accurate. They do no damage at all, simple as that, you could only kill tech I frigs (and still be at risk of losing against a Rifter).
If you trust the 'oh but the Crow can fire rockets outside of web range', go for it. Come back with results (and don't forget to order your new Crow).
You are Caldari and want a good interceptor?,
Train for Taranis.
It will take you less time to train for gallente frig V than training all relevant missile skills and you'll be dealing much more damage while having a tank at the same time which Caldari ceptors can't afford.
The time of the 400mm plate Crows is gone and well gone...
If you want to stick with Caldari interceptors, a Raptor can still fit 2x125 + 2xstandard launchers and do the same damage (if not more) than pre-patch to anything bigger than a frigate, and remains the Crow killer it has always been, more than ever.
Against any other interceptor, the Caldari interceptors will die.
Because of the missile nerf and armor plates boost.
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Stribog
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Spying Alt
(can the cap support a 20km disrubtor in addition to everything eles?).
It can, i used a cap battery in med, and one cpr. I could sustain the scrambler and the mwd for a good while, with another cpr im sure i could run it 23/7.
... been a while since i've flown my crow though, got a bunch of other ceptors to play with. :)
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Try rockets and cry.
I have the new missiles skills all at 3 and won't bother training them further, much better to invest in turrets at the moment.
Rockets do no damage to fast frigates. I could have written 'do little damage' but it wouldn't have been accurate. They do no damage at all, simple as that, you could only kill tech I frigs (and still be at risk of losing against a Rifter).
If you trust the 'oh but the Crow can fire rockets outside of web range', go for it. Come back with results (and don't forget to order your new Crow).
My alt just stepped into a rocket crow and it is insanely lethal.
Does it take intellegence to fit and fly now? Yeah.
I guess thats why so many people are screwed.
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:53:00 -
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I've tried it both ways. But until I get rockets V and can use a rocket launcher II, I'm not putting anymore rockets on my crow. The TINY amount of time it takes between F1-F3 and reloading makes me irritated for some reason, so I swapped to the standards. Maybe having 33% more rockets in the tube will make me happy.
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.20 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
My alt just stepped into a rocket crow and it is insanely lethal.
Words from thin air.
Quote:
Does it take intellegence to fit and fly now? Yeah.
I guess thats why so many people are screwed.
Immature comments 4tl
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Spuki
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Posted - 2005.07.20 16:21:00 -
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I think the raptor wins as usual (assuming the fight starts not in web range), but noone is going to belive me this. By the time the crow needs to get in web range, it will have lost its complete shield and the raptor can finish it with its two launchers ...
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Spying Alt
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Posted - 2005.07.20 18:23:00 -
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Hmmmm so basically you guys are saying that the rocket crow isnt worth it and i should go with a raptor?
Will a crow with std launchers be useless then?
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Montero
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Posted - 2005.07.20 18:29:00 -
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the raptor is a disgustingly underpowered ship, and almost impossible to get a decent fitting on compared to a crow. best thing to do with raptors is use them as cheap fleet tacklers or refine them and build a crow...
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Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.07.20 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zaintiraris
(Grumbles about multiple edits for continuing thoughts)
You can delete the bit at the top when you edit the second time that says "edited by Zaintiraris at blah blah blah" and you'll only have one. I hate it too :>
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.07.20 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Try rockets and cry.
I have the new missiles skills all at 3 and won't bother training them further, much better to invest in turrets at the moment.
Rockets do no damage to fast frigates. I could have written 'do little damage' but it wouldn't have been accurate. They do no damage at all, simple as that, you could only kill tech I frigs (and still be at risk of losing against a Rifter).
Seriously, what the hell are you smoking?
Im all for a difference in opinion, but the amount of arrogance in the statement above is incredible.
My biggest pet-peave (spelling?) in Eve is PvP-"veterans" giving BS advice to newer pilots.
The last 9 Inty Killmails (solo killmails) in my inbox are 7 Enemies Killed and 2 Crows Lost, using rockets. I state that not as a boast but as an honest recommendation to Caldari Inty piltos, that Rockets = Pwn.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.07.20 19:01:00 -
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hehe my taranis eats every rocket or light missile shooting crow.
if you try webbing me ill get close 
if you dont web me ill just fly away while tanking your lol-damage.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.20 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sorja on 20/07/2005 19:03:36
Originally by: Angelus X
The last 9 Inty Killmails (solo killmails) in my inbox are 7 Enemies Killed and 2 Crows Lost, using rockets. I state that not as a boast but as an honest recommendation to Caldari Inty piltos, that Rockets = Pwn.
Yeah, right 
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.20 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
hehe my taranis eats every rocket or light missile shooting crow.
if you try webbing me ill get close
if you dont web me ill just fly away while tanking your lol-damage.
Double web is nice, but it means you have no scrambler. Most good inty pilots will look for the double-web when fighting a taranis and warp if they get hit with it.
If you only have one web, a crow is much faster then you.
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.07.20 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sangxianc
Originally by: Zaintiraris
(Grumbles about multiple edits for continuing thoughts)
You can delete the bit at the top when you edit the second time that says "edited by Zaintiraris at blah blah blah" and you'll only have one. I hate it too :>
Ooo, thank you...but to do it to this thread, now, would mean another edit, so I'm going to leave it as is.
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.20 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 20/07/2005 19:09:03
Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: Sorja
Try rockets and cry.
I have the new missiles skills all at 3 and won't bother training them further, much better to invest in turrets at the moment.
Rockets do no damage to fast frigates. I could have written 'do little damage' but it wouldn't have been accurate. They do no damage at all, simple as that, you could only kill tech I frigs (and still be at risk of losing against a Rifter).
Seriously, what the hell are you smoking?
Im all for a difference in opinion, but the amount of arrogance in the statement above is incredible.
My biggest pet-peave (spelling?) in Eve is PvP-"veterans" giving BS advice to newer pilots.
The last 9 Inty Killmails (solo killmails) in my inbox are 7 Enemies Killed and 2 Crows Lost, using rockets. I state that not as a boast but as an honest recommendation to Caldari Inty piltos, that Rockets = Pwn.
Sorja isnt a pvp vet, and its pretty well known that she (he?) has no idea what she is talking about. My claw is hitting for almost the same damage prepatch with rockets, and I only have the missile skills at one, and dont get any bonuses on my ship.
Heres a free tip: try to use like... not a basic web.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.07.20 19:10:00 -
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Aside from Std Launcher powergrid being one point too high (should be identical PG fitting to 125mm Rail), the rockets aren't quite as bad off as one might think.
In either case, the bastards (Ares and Raptor) were the ones getting hit by the patch (while the Crow now actually has the correct powergrid compared to the other 'ceptors). Having 30 basic Powergrid is simply too little to support a good fitting when you must cram as much as possible into 4 slots in order to compare to the non-bastard ships with 3 slots worth of firepower.
Considering my results with the Ares using really close range setup (rockets + ions), I am willing to support Blind Fears statement that a rocket Crow is very lethal (no, even though the Ares scored good results, it's still the worst ship I've flown). The real difference there is that a rocket is immune to the 'ceptor-bounce (where close range ships in the beginning of the fight will miss one or two volleys).
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.07.20 19:57:00 -
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3 t2 rocket launchers: 9mil
rapid launch and rocket spec lvl 5: a couple weeks training time
crow: 14mil
the look on the taranis pilots face after he gets BBQ'ed in 5 seconds and ends up sitting in his clone station wondering what the **** just happened: priceless
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.07.20 20:03:00 -
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Flying a rocket crow atm. Range = 13km, DoT = about 100. Not too shabby.
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.07.20 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson
3 t2 rocket launchers: 9mil
rapid launch and rocket spec lvl 5: a couple weeks training time
crow: 14mil
the look on the taranis pilots face after he gets BBQ'ed in 5 seconds and ends up sitting in his clone station wondering what the **** just happened: priceless
rofl 
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.07.20 21:34:00 -
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dont forget taranis can actually fit rails and has highest damage of all inty (plain fact).
aah well doesnt matter if you have succes in your crow who am i to say crow sucks. but i have succes in my taranis too and love to fly it 
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.20 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
dont forget taranis can actually fit rails and has highest damage of all inty (plain fact).
aah well doesnt matter if you have succes in your crow who am i to say crow sucks. but i have succes in my taranis too and love to fly it
Actually, with similar skills, a t2 rocket crow will do equal or more damage then a t2 125mm rail taranis under 10k after the patch.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.21 00:57:00 -
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Crow and Raptor pilots, check out my proposed change to Rockets HERE.
While most any Interceptor usually has a web fitted (and for a Crow and Raptor it is a MUST if you're using rockets), I'd like to see Rockets able to hit something going fast, and thus actually get to use that nice 2000 m/s base explosion velocity they have.
Standards are great at fighting other ships, but will perform rather miserably versus other interceptors. If they're MWDing, you won't hit for a lot of damage. If you web them and they turn off their MWD, you'll still hit for about half damage due to the Light missile explosion radius.
Rockets are a great solution, but their limited range and slow speed makes them risky to use. I'd like to see them have twice the velocity and half the flight time, meaning if you get Heavy Nossed and don't have the cap to web, you can at least still land hits on MWDing enemy Interceptor (alibiet at reduced damage).
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Serret
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Posted - 2005.07.21 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
if you get Heavy Nossed and don't have the cap to web, you can at least still land hits on MWDing enemy Interceptor (alibiet at reduced damage).
If you're heavy-nossed (by a battleship) and fighting a MWDing enemy interceptor at the same time, you're in trouble regardless of your armaments.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.21 01:27:00 -
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Fair enough :-p
I just think its ridiculous that rockets, obviously designed to hit small fast things, can't catch up to them. 
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