Except it's a kiting ship, so you're perma-running the MWD, using lasers with no cap bonus, and possibly trying to use neuts in your spare high slots. You can make it work with a cap booster, but you're throwing 800s in as fast as you can load them and that gives you really limited endurance before your whole cargo of them is gone and you have to go home to restock.

Now, this was worth it back in the good old days before the faction ship boost. ACs and blasters hadn't been fixed yet, pulses with scorch dominated, and none of the other faction cruisers were worth undocking. But now the game has moved on and left the Phantasm behind. There's no reason to put up with the Phantasm's huge cap problems when there are better ships to fly.

I have no experience with the Phantasm, but it looks like a ship that could be XL ASB'd to great effect. Anyone tried this?

With their laser bonus, it allows them to not only neut substantial amounts, but also put out solid DPS, fit a decent tank and web substantially. You pretty much mixed the Succubus and Daredevil when you created the Cruor. I think what makes them better than the Amarr Recons is that fact: they have damage, tank, and flexibility with regards to how they fly.

They also come from loyalty point store:
http://www.ellatha.com/eve/LPSearch/phantasm/

He said put that bonus in with the hull bonus. It would be closer to 150 extra DPS, which would definitely be nice.

Maybe my math is a bit off, but doesn't the nomen have 8 effective turrets vs the 10 that the phantasm would have with an extra turret? You could squeeze a bit more dps from an extra damage mod, but surely not enough to give the nomen better damage?

Hadn't considered the drone bay, but then I'm not fond of combat drones anyway, ECM drones = <3 for anything that doesn't get a bonus to drone damage imo.

EDIT: and I just checked, even with drones the phantasm would slightly OD a nomen.

Has anybody seen the Phantasm thread?
I cannot seem to find it.

The reason the Mach has that speed is because it has only 5 mid slots unlike the other shield tanked pirate BS (Nightmare and Rattle) which have 7. So yes, you get extra speed to help mitigate incoming damage but you are also basically forced into spending 2B+ isk on your tank since you only have 3 slots available. Any reduction in the Mach's speed would require an addition of a 6th midslot to balance it.

Depends on what you are trying to do. I doubt you will be able to tank a DED 8/10 or 10/10 with a T2 tank.

Aren't MJDs battleship-sized modules? I think the black-ops-style cloak speed bonus is interesting, but after some consideration I find the loss of 50% of the utility highs to make use of it rather not worthwhile. Two of them is really one of the stand-out characteristics of the sansha boats, and they're what (potentially!) makes them extremely viable solo options (currently only with astronomical sums of ISK).




Maybe I missed it somewhere else or I'm just incapable of finding it... Would you be so kind to provide me with an explanation for this opinion? I'm earnestly interested, not trying to provoke - I'll always follow the best argument. :)

I've found that for example an AB-active-brawling Phantasm with two medium nosferatus (lol, I know... I'd much rather use two medium neuts, but the abysmal cap on this thing leaves me no choice) can work extremely well. However, crystals are a must, and that shouldn't be so. Hence I repeat my suggestion to make the Caldari bonus a shield resist bonus. That makes much more sense anyway than a laser damage bonus from a storyline perspective aswell as that would be a "typical" Caldari bonus. I'm against an active shield bonus as it limits you to one form of tanking, and for example the option of a kiting buffer tachyon Phantasm or something should still be open.

Once more about the role: What would be unique about the Phantasm if it became a Zealot with a better shield tank and a lot less damage if nano'd or a Vagabond with lasers? I believe there are enough very good cruiser-sized kiting setups. Also... what use are two med neuts if you're constantly fighting outside their effective range (yes, combating tacklers etc., but I'm a fan of applying the power of all my mods on one opponent, and not having to waste pg/cpu for mere "back-up"-mods). With web/scram and an AB the Phantasm is capable of dictating range within brawling (scramming) distance to make effective use of the relatively long laser optimal and certain utility highslot options - at least once its base speed has been brought up to at least t1 cruiser level. -.-

To sum up my suggestions again:

- better cap (20%?)

- more speed (at least comparable to rebalanced t1)

- role bonus: 167% damage to medium energy turrets instead of 100% (equals an increase of about 6,7% in damage or 8 effective turrets versus currently 7,5)

- swap Caldari bonus from 5% damage to 5% shield resist bonus per level

- (a little more pg or an additional lowslot would be quite nice, but that might be op, so that's not to be prioritised)

Cheers,
Tilo R.

With the soon to be rebalanced navy faction cruisers, there will be an additional laser ship of this size with a range bonus for all the kiting fun one could wish for: the Omen Navy Issue. Accordingly, I find this yet another argument to buff the Phantasm towards the close(r)-range brawling role.

Cheers
Tilo R.

To sum up my suggestions again:

- better cap (20%?)

- more speed (at least comparable to rebalanced t1)

- role bonus: 167% damage to medium energy turrets instead of 100% (equals an increase of about 6,7% in damage or 8 effective turrets versus currently 7,5)

- swap Caldari bonus from 5% damage to 5% shield resist bonus per level

- (a little more pg or an additional lowslot would be quite nice, but that might be op, so that's not to be prioritised)

Well, CCP Fozzie is a machine sent from the future. He spends several hours a day looking for someone named "Sarah Connor" and I am in no rush to tell him to stop as I want to live long and prosper.

CCP Rise has a surprisingly active and fruitful life - if it was up to me I would chain him to his desk, force his eyes open with broken toothpicks while making him listen to motivational music. However, doing this kind of thing in Iceland is like playing the "Go directly to jail, do not collect 200 bucks" Monopoly card and would get me into unjustified trouble. Maybe you could give me a hand to make that happen during next Fanfest?

I never see it used in anger only ratting. give it a special ability. the greater the negative sec status is the greater the bonuses become muhhahahaahha