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Kyra Quinn
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.19 12:46:00 -
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I haven't done many of the things mentioned (I've not tried trading yet for instance) but I found that a new player CAN do a whole lot as long as you're willing to put in the effort. I do exploration for my income and have made almost 200 mil with that so far, I'm working up standings on an alt to have a look at a POS (for no other reason than it sounds interesting).
I got an invitation to fly with some pvpers so I made a new account + character, trained stuff for 2-3 days exactly as they told me and I joined them on some PVP runs. While I wasn't at all really that useful I did my part on one occasion and kept someone from fleeing resulting in a kill. While I'm not really interested in becoming an all out pvper just now it gave me the "courage" to go and have a peek at low security space pve.
So yes it IS possible as a newbie to do well, interact with others and play with more experienced pilots but it does take effort and the right attitude. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.02.19 12:49:00 -
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Ole Volan wrote:The only activity that even mentions SP was PVP and it is suicide to PVP with 400k SP. I am not saying that a well informed and adventurous player would be forced to mission, but as I said before, "I think the lost and overwhelmed noob is best served by a kindly nudge to an agent".
My alliance hands day old newbies tackle-frigs and points them at the enemy, and frequently showers them in isk when they ask cute newbie questions. Skillpoints are no barrier to pvp (somethign I wish I had been told); finding a group that will let you run free might be, but thats a different problem that can't be solved by wasting months grinding agent missions when you would rather be fighting. |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:15:00 -
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Ole Volan wrote:The only activity that even mentions SP was PVP and it is suicide to PVP with 400k SP. I am not saying that a well informed and adventurous player would be forced to mission, but as I said before, "I think the lost and overwhelmed noob is best served by a kindly nudge to an agent".
I wonder if you're meaning to be ironic because at 400k SP a player can easily suicide gank another player....
Skill Points DO NOT MATTER.
Seriously.
They really don't.
A 1 million SP trader character can make billions of ISK. A 500k SP trader character can as well.
A 400k SP pvp pilot can win PvP engagements.
A one day old character can finish up a single tutorial, pack up, and make their way out to 0.0 and live happily.
Established players like to claim that skill points matter because it gives them a sense of superiority but they don't.
There are only a few very specific and unique situations where skill points will make a real difference. Two equally skilled players who pilot the exact same ship, use the exact same tactics, and have the exact same fittings - then, yes, if one of those pilots has a skill at 5 and the other at 4, then the pilot with 5 might win. Depending on luck.
I had meant to address the OP and welcome them to EVE - so where it is. Welcome to EVE Brat. :)
Please continue to post your impressions they are useful to read and provide a good insight on a new player's experience.
I happen to agree with you on the Walking in Station stuff. I think Walking in Stations is awesome I really hope CCP puts it back on their development path to flesh it out. I really want to be able to sit in a station bar (that is player owned), drink an awesome boost drink (that was player made), and watch a view screen that displays a feed from a camera drone placed near a gate camp.
I'd also like to see more options for the character generator in terms of height and hair styles.
Some basic advice: Ignore the bitter players who try and tell you that you cannot do something or that you need X skill points for whatever. They are mistaken.
When I started playing EVE I went to 0.0 on my tenth day of gameplay.
I know of other players who went to low sec / wormhole space / 0.0 on their third day of play.
Heck, one enterprising newbie flew out to 0.0 and chased down all the 0.0 war sites and looted the wrecks for the high-end stuff... in a noob ship. Imagine picking up an item worth a billion ISK (faction mod!) at 15 days played - it has happened and will happen again.
EVE rewards the bold and the risk takers.
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J'Poll
The Fiction Factory
Tribal Band
1897
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:55:00 -
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Ole Volan wrote:J'Poll wrote:So your idea is that all new players will be suggested into running missions for other agents. But what if someone wants:
* to pvp
* to mine
* to be a trader.
* to be an industrialist.
* to be an explorer.
All of those dont require any agent to be done. Sorry, but I thought I made myself clear that I was talking about a player's first days out of the tutorials. Do you really think that player is prepared to do any of what you suggest? * To PVP with 400k skill points? * To be a trader with 1M isk? * To be an industrialist who doesn't know the first thing to make? * To be an explorer when he has never even been out of his own home system? * Mining is the only reasonable alternative and the mining missions are the best way to start that off. No, I think the lost and overwhelmed noob is best served by a kindly nudge to an agent. Maybe even a tutorial mission on using the agent finder.
* Train: propulsion jamming, afterburner both to 1....Hero tackle ready.
* Even with 1mil you can trade. Sure you wont make billions in profit for the first month or so.
* New players do the tutorial. In there they teach you how to build stuff, buy some blueprints and start building.
* Tutorials gives venture. Systems have belts....goodluck mining.
You "problem" is that you compare what anew player can (or in your eyes can't) do with what heavy specialized vets do. |
Ole Volan
Xeno's Casino
0
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:47:00 -
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I think you all are misinterpreting the intent of my posts. For those of you that can hit the ground running and scan down wormholes on your third day in the game, congrats. My previous post accounts for that, "I am not saying that a well informed and adventurous player would be forced to mission, but as I said before, I think the lost and overwhelmed noob is best served by a kindly nudge to an agent."
I was that lost and overwhelmed noob at the very begining. I knew almost nothing about the game before I started playing, I knew nobody who played the game. I did all the turtorials and then said to myself, "now what?" I asked questions in the new player channel and got alot of good but complicated advice. I searched online for some guidance for new players and found little.
If I knew then what I know now, I would have found a L1 security agent and taken my free Destroyer and missioned while I learned more about what I could do. What I ended up doing was joining a player corp that then got perma decced by some griefer corp and was told not to undock untill they stopped camping our station. Seems like griefers like to target corps that are new player friendly.
Please don't misunderstand me. One of the beauties of Eve is the endless possibilities. But an endless list of options can be very confusing to the inexperienced player. I am just suggesting that for that player, directly out of the tutorials, a little bit of guidence would be helpful. |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory
Tribal Band
1900
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:38:00 -
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Ole Volan wrote:I think you all are misinterpreting the intent of my posts. For those of you that can hit the ground running and scan down wormholes on your third day in the game, congrats. My previous post accounts for that, "I am not saying that a well informed and adventurous player would be forced to mission, but as I said before, I think the lost and overwhelmed noob is best served by a kindly nudge to an agent."
I was that lost and overwhelmed noob at the very begining. I knew almost nothing about the game before I started playing, I knew nobody who played the game. I did all the turtorials and then said to myself, "now what?" I asked questions in the new player channel and got alot of good but complicated advice. I searched online for some guidance for new players and found little.
If I knew then what I know now, I would have found a L1 security agent and taken my free Destroyer and missioned while I learned more about what I could do. What I ended up doing was joining a player corp that then got perma decced by some griefer corp and was told not to undock untill they stopped camping our station. Seems like griefers like to target corps that are new player friendly.
Please don't misunderstand me. One of the beauties of Eve is the endless possibilities. But an endless list of options can be very confusing to the inexperienced player. I am just suggesting that for that player, directly out of the tutorials, a little bit of guidence would be helpful.
No information...what about the ISK Guide or the WTD chart.
A new player can look at one/both.
Say I really am interested at "x".
Then ask here on forums...I'm interested in "x", could you guys give me some direction how/where to start.
So...
A little effort on your side will be rewarded with lots of help from others. If I see the poster is someone who also does a bit of effort on their own, I'm very willing to offer my knowledge and guidance.
Fir the lazy people who dont want to put effort in the game...yes, they usually end up mining or running missions and complain how boring EVE is. |
Arion Ruairc
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
3
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:05:00 -
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I find it oddly interesting how much people pay attention to the development of their character pic not just in this but in all games. Being OG, we are happy to be able to pick from a preset group of avatars. Some seem to enjoy creating just as much as the game. It's an aspect I did not see developing into what it has. It's kind of neat. :D |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Mildly Sober
111
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:34:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Skillpoints are no barrier to pvp (somethign I wish I had been told); finding a group that will let you run free might be, but thats a different problem that can't be solved by wasting months grinding agent missions when you would rather be fighting.
Aura should say this repeatedly during the tutorial. |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
396
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:48:00 -
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Worthless Brat wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Who gives a flying cr*p about the character creator anyway Ooh! Ooh! Me! Me! I do! Keno Skir wrote:That amazing pic will spend the rest of its life as a 50 Pixel wide tile you never look at. My guy wasn't even supposed to be black. You say that, but I'm already psychoanalysing the barbie dolls of passers by.... Doll too simple and blatant? Probable juvenile. Enhanced probability of susceptibility to 'wounded bird' baiting. Doll complex and carefully thought out? Heavy-processing mind. Attempt assaults that involve information overload. Careful and subtle? Avoid - likely travels with backup available close by. Okay, yes, maybe I've been watching too much Sherlock.. :-) Still, every little helps...
Bet i wish i never asked this.
What does mine say to ya?
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if 'm online.
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J'Poll
The Fiction Factory
Tribal Band
1900
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:40:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Worthless Brat wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Who gives a flying cr*p about the character creator anyway Ooh! Ooh! Me! Me! I do! Keno Skir wrote:That amazing pic will spend the rest of its life as a 50 Pixel wide tile you never look at. My guy wasn't even supposed to be black. You say that, but I'm already psychoanalysing the barbie dolls of passers by.... Doll too simple and blatant? Probable juvenile. Enhanced probability of susceptibility to 'wounded bird' baiting. Doll complex and carefully thought out? Heavy-processing mind. Attempt assaults that involve information overload. Careful and subtle? Avoid - likely travels with backup available close by. Okay, yes, maybe I've been watching too much Sherlock.. :-) Still, every little helps... Bet i wish i never asked this. What does mine say to ya?
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