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Jordan Kandou Worley The House of JuIii The Roman Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:14:00 - [1] - Quote So, after my failed attempt with my other player I started this one hoping to become a good manufacturer. I've decided to set up in Anttari, a quiet system 4 jumps away from jita. after doing some snooping around the forums looking at how and what to make to start off, i choose plasma phased S. Although I am aware that I am not supposed to be expecting any large profit, I feel that making less than 100,000 Z of it is just ... Horrid Am i doing something wrong? should i not be selling at jita? help please
Tesal 189	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:31:00 - [2] - Quote You need to do your own research. People don't give away their secrets. That said, Jita has lower prices on everything. You might want to try building near another market or missioner hub if you can't sell in Jita at a decent profit.
Candy Oshea Techfree Investment Group 64	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:32:00 - [3] - Quote Jordan Kandou Worley wrote: So, after my failed attempt with my other player I started this one hoping to become a good manufacturer. I've decided to set up in Anttari, a quiet system 4 jumps away from jita. after doing some snooping around the forums looking at how and what to make to start off, i choose plasma phased S. Although I am aware that I am not supposed to be expecting any large profit, I feel that making less than 100,000 Z of it is just ... Horrid Am i doing something wrong? should i not be selling at jita? help please More info. Did you acquire the minerals using buy orders, or sell orders, or mining it.? Did you sell it to Buy orders, or put up your own sell order? Do you have Accounting 5/broker relation 5 (taxes eat profits)? Do you have Production efficiency 5? Jita, you are competing with day traders/station traders, who have gathered there stock below cost (using buy orders), and can afford to go lower than you. PVP'ers generally buy faction S ammo & T2 S ammo, due to the very low entry barrier for T2 auto-cannons/artillery. I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster. iCandy
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1134	Posted - 2013.02.12 03:49:00 - [4] - Quote First off, ignore people asking about how you acquired the minerals. They have a value equal to the sell price. Valuing them any lower than that means you're throwing isk away. The math to work out your profits. make sure to set your details correctly. http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/184/29/0/0/1 Raw profit margins looks like, with base skills, around 4k per hour. that's 18 or so production runs. /If/ you're selling to buy orders. Selling it yourself increases the margin to around 10k. improving your production efficiency and having a researched blueprint will help more. I'd recommend, for selling it, look for Minmatar stations (As people are more likely to be using projectile weapons with them), with rank 1 or 2 Agents, and sell there instead. you don't need to have the lowest price in the region. Just that station. As long as it's not too much higher than the surroundings, people will buy it. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract.
Candy Oshea Techfree Investment Group 64	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:11:00 - [5] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: First off, ignore people asking about how you acquired the minerals. They have a value equal to the sell price. Valuing them any lower than that means you're throwing isk away. The question was raised, to determine how he calculated his "profit", don't jump to conclusions mister! If you buy minerals from Jita using buy orders, its often the case that it is more profit in just selling the minerals(flipping), rather than building an item. how you acquire them (particularly using buy orders), matters for a great deal for production, as it (helps) determines whether or not to build said item or not. However always "value" them as per the above quote, and "profit" should be any measured higher, than the sell order price of the minerals. Also any website/program offering pricing/formulas whatever etc, should be checked against a spreadsheet of your own. (don't do manufacturing unless your prepared to spend the time doing the calculation.)I recommend downloading and using a neat program called "isk per hour", use it to check builds before you start, follow up with a quick check on spreadsheet. The program, will tell you the "raw material profit" Vs the "Build profit", which is what i'm yammering about. I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster. iCandy
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1135	Posted - 2013.02.12 04:34:00 - [6] - Quote Candy Oshea wrote: The question was raised, to determine how he calculated his "profit", don't jump to conclusions mister! You have to admit, it's a fair conclusion to jump to /Most/ people who talk about buy orders, when it comes to making things, are making the MIMAF mistake. But you have my apologies. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract.
voetius L V B Industries 23	Posted - 2013.02.12 09:02:00 - [7] - Quote It's Phased Plasma S, just to be picky. As others have said, Jita may not be the best place to sell this. Better places to sell this IMO would be : 1. Minnie starter systems, you can get a list of all the starter systems off the evelopedia 2. Stations where players are getting faction ammo from the LP store. To obtain faction ammo you supply 5000 units of the ammo plus the LPs so you should be able to sell the T1 ammo in the right station. You would need to do some research on the best places and / or experiment a bit. For 2. above check market history in Jita Hek and Rens to see which faction ammo s sells best, maybe EMP S is better than PP. Both of the above are taking you away from competing with Jita traders that either have max trading skills and / or a cheap supply.
Whang'Lo 300 Leet DPS 12	Posted - 2013.02.12 13:23:00 - [8] - Quote I'm showing cost 26.23 per unit on phased s to make (based off of Jita mineral prices). Looks like it's selling all day in Jita in the 27.00 So yes at Jita it's on the deep deep discount table. If you wanna make ISK on T1 ammo, you have to willing to park it somewhere for say 30+ days. Also Phased M and EMP M, much better, but they all sell though. I've parked T1 ammo in some really strange locations and it's sold, granted it took awhile.
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 113	Posted - 2013.02.12 16:51:00 - [9] - Quote Manufacturing is a massive pain in the ass. It is the same concept as trading ( Buy low sell high ) only with 4 or 5 ( maybe even 6 ) extra steps you need to complete before you get your money.
Kommandohoran Suddenly Spacerich Industries 9	Posted - 2013.02.12 17:21:00 - [10] - Quote Build destroyers, disregard ammunition.
Alex Grison grison interstellar 113	Posted - 2013.02.12 18:00:00 - [11] - Quote Kommandohoran wrote: Build destroyers, disregard ammunition. Build disregard. Destroy ammunition.
RichtPaul Shadow Industries I 21	Posted - 2013.02.13 02:24:00 - [12] - Quote Ammunition destroy. Disregard built.
Alex Grison grison interstellar 117	Posted - 2013.02.13 03:48:00 - [13] - Quote RichtPaul wrote: Ammunition destroy. Disregard built. Rectangle rectangle. rectangle rectangle
RichtPaul Shadow Industries I 22	Posted - 2013.02.13 15:45:00 - [14] - Quote Alex Grison wrote: Rectangle rectangle. rectangle rectangle Ah damn. That's going to be a hard one to scamble..
Hannah Flex laissez-faire economics 218	Posted - 2013.02.14 20:47:00 - [15] - Quote Alex Grison wrote: Manufacturing is a massive pain in the ass. It is the same concept as trading ( Buy low sell high ) only with 4 or 5 ( maybe even 6 ) extra steps you need to complete before you get your money. People enjoy making things in MMO's be it crafting, tradeskilling or in this case manufacturing
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.02.14 21:38:00 - [16] - Quote ..Manufacturing in Eve is a pain free way to gain interest on your excess ISK.
Thoraemond Far Ranger 68	Posted - 2013.02.14 22:40:00 - [17] - Quote Alex Grison wrote: Rectangle rectangle. rectangle rectangle Clan, greet! Recent lag can't re-gel rectangle.

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