The best solution is just ignore the cloaky alts

This thread is like a magnet for bad ideas about fixing a problem that doesn't really exist.

It immediately raises the question: why is that needed?

Easiest way to solve the "AFK cloaking problem" - add a Idle status to people who don't give any input to the game after 10 minutes or so. I step away from my pc for 15 minutes, I get idle state. People in local can see that. I come back it goes away. Problem solved.

If it wasn't an issue people wouldn't use it as a strategy. The fact that AFK cloakies are prevalent I'd say, is enough to prove the fact that they are indeed an issue and very effective.

GǪwhich just shifts the question down the line: why is that needed?

GǪwhich, once again, shifts the question down the line: why is that needed?

Stopped right there. If you can't post something without feeling emberrassed and concerned for your alliance then don't post at all.

1) I'm far from cowardly, you would find, if you actually knew anything about me.

2) I am well aware of wormhole life and its mechanics.

3) I always assume I will lose any ship I undock, even in high sec.

4) The reason I play the game is PvP. EVE PVE is beyond mind-numbingly boring

5) You should stop making unbased assumptions about forum posters, and rather than try to unsuccessfully attack the people posting the ideas, attack the idea.

6) Save the long winded wormhole mechanics explanation from your POV for a wiki, or someone who gives a damn about it. I already know game mechanics.

But this affects active cloakers greatly in wormholes! You screw things up like this with your "massive cloak nerf bat". The problem regarding this auto-decloak in holes is that you take away the ambush. You can connect to a static, scan down the sites that need scanning, warp to one cloaked and simply wait. (Yes, you learn patience in the hole.) You may have to wait hours for the ambush to spring, it may never happen. However, being forced to warp all over the place while you're trying to wait is simply foolish and a poorly thought out response to a non-issue. Keep in mind, in a hole you may choose to afk at the ambush point for those hours, flipping over to an alt for example and doing other activities while you wait. You may want to take a bio, get some lunch, run to the store, then come back and see if the prey is in the trap. It could be hours, it could be minutes, it could be never. But, the fact remains that you're ill-though concept would destroy a perfectly viable and acceptible paradigm of wormhole existance, nerfing the inherent dangers in the systems.

Removing the incentive to go AFK while cloaked is my goal. If AFK cloaking was the very center of your PVP then sorry but that is exactly what I want removed. That is not active cloaking that is AFK cloaking.

It is not a massive nerf bat to cloaking. Its a massive nerf to AFK cloaking and activities such as yourself.

Let's try posting it again, since you seem to have missed relatively important parts...

1. When a ship cloaks, it disappears from local. You can't see it anymore, you have nothing to be afraid of, right?

2. When a ship cloaks, it also loses access to local. You lose the free intel of being able to sit there while cloaked at a safe seeing who's in system or not. You want more intel? Simply... use probes, use dscan, fly your lazy ass around and see who's where. In addition. when cloaked you can no longer be "warped to".

3. When you decloak, there should be a delay in being able to fire off a cyno. This balances the "invisible in local" thing, giving the poor bastard you're surprising at least a fighting chance to soil himself and run away.

It has a positive effect on wormholes however. You don't see one single thread complaining about afk cloaking in wormholes, do you? There's a reason for that.

That is the problem in reality the only difference between an active cloaker and an inactive cloaker is in your mind, you basically want something to say in large letters "This neut is not active, rat on "

BY THE WAY

You guys here know that local as we know it is going to be removed, right!?

wow... this discussion is becoming very very pointless. you just want an easy time ratting in 0.0, without fear and risk. Maybe you want a handy readout of the neut in local of his weaponsystems too, and maybe the fleetcomp of the to-be-hotdropped enemy fleet? sheesh.

Won't be of equal use. At least not everywhere.

CCP has hinted that they want to replace local with something similar only for sov upgraded systems so that the defenders have an advantage. Everywhere else is fair game.

No need to warp all over the place. Should a method like the one I suggested be implemented (probes to detect cloakies) you would simply have to be on your feet about as much, or less (depending on actual numbers for how long these probes would take to scan down a cloaky using these new probes) than another person in wormhole space.

Simply put, a cloaky sitting in a WH would have to hit dscan periodically to see if "cloaky detection space probes (tm)" show up on it. If they show up, then you know they're looking for cloakies and you can warp away "all over the place". There's absolutely no reason a cloaky should be able to sit in a hole without any risk like any other ships in there, to ask to keep such a mechanic is carebearish because it implies you are unwilling to put yourself at risk in order to get your kills.

Make them have to fit an expanded launcher to use these probes for all I care, or even make them use some new launcher that gimps people to oblivion. Doesn't matter to me, so long as people have the ability to kill off people sitting AFK in systems. If you're at your keyboard actively seeking prey, excellent, I want you to stay undetectable, but if you're off to the store, watching videos online, or otherwise not actively engaged in-game, I want the option to find you and kill you.

Same kind of people said they would leave the game if CCP even thought about nerfing supers. They are still here.

If you really mean it, then leave. They are going forward with it.

Wow, lost my response. Here we go again... I can appreciate the thought you put into this concept, however it would greatly detract from wormhole life. Even simply being able to detect the presence of cloaked ships is a huge nerf on the whole wormhole culture and the danger inherent in the system. A big part of planning a system assault often revolves around having an unknown cloaked vessel in a target hole for days or weeks on end actively gathering intel. You may be logged on for hours sitting idly by watching a pos to determine hours of operation, active people in the hole, etc. The secrecy is key. Allowing your presence to be advertised via probe would also shift the whole paradigm such that it would become a near requirement for someone to keep these probes out constantly while any ops are going on, possibly even when they're not. This massive nerf (and it is massive, if you have any clue at all about wormhole life) is grossly unnecessary, unneeded and unwelcome.

Wormholes are the last frontiers of Eve. Anything that nerfs that needs to be fought tooth and nail.

You simply refuse to acknowledge how significant of a nerf your idea is outside of your own little paradigm. At least my method balances cloaks, removes the surprise hotdrop you never saw coming and prevents "afk cloakers" from ever being an issue again, while addressing the free, unearned intel while cloaked thing by making cloaked vessels have to actively gather intel.

Your idea is nothing but a nerf. Nothing in enhanced. Only you (and rat-bots) benefit, not Eve as a whole, and many others feel the pain so you can live a little safer in the place that, by definition, you're not supposed to live a little safer.

Why should I need to remain active? I do after all pay for my account, it's mine to play as I wish.

You've yet to give a valid reason as to why this is an issue. Not only that, but you want more power on top of the already overpowered local intel tool and that is not a balanced approach.

How about no? Being long on the grid is a requirement of gathering good intel. You can sit there for hours, undetected, for days on end gathering what you need for a successful op. This isn't an exaggeration... we have someone this dedicated to making successful ops a reality.

Your idea unnecessarily nerfs wormholes. This is a flat out fact. There's neither need nor reason for this.

It doesn't just target the AFK, it also affects active players and you still keep your all powerful seeing eye. Not a balanced approach.

Also, you still fail to understand the reasons for AFK cloaking in null. Until you've grasped that simple concept, you're just blowing hot air.

But he does deserve the ability to be passively cloaked in system, for hours on end if he so chooses. Intel gathering may require this.

But it affects them all the same and you still have your all seeing eye. Not balanced.

I have every right to go AFK, just because you rely on local and misread it's instant intel is not my fault., it's yours.

And i also agree with having to make the cloaker "click" every hour or so. If you're going AFK and have no desire to hurt anybody like you stated, log off.

Tech 2 Scanning Probes, that at best will get you to 5000 m from the cloaked ship.

Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care.

I want to have tools to find him.


Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing?

lol

nice recovery attempt, but you still fail
and guess what? you even got what you wanted...
you're not 100% safe

thanks for playing

oh you must be the OPs alt

let me break it down for you

why should the cloak ship be subject to a threat if the ship itself is not a threat?

he's AFK...

SAY IT WITH ME NOW!
AFK

he's no threat, he is not deriving any benefit from being there, hes not playing the game, he's not doing ANYTHING
yet because you are a gutless coward you feel he should be subject to a higher risk than he poses to you simply because he has the nerve to be in the same local as your royal highness

no, hell no
learn to play or go the **** away, I for one am sick of knee jerk nerfs and other stupidity thrown at the game lately because of crybabies like you and your main

So let me get this straight.. You are hiding, i want to find you. I'm the coward?

And a hulk is also not a threat, why should he be subject to a threat?


And if you have absolutely no need to be flying in space since you obviously don't want to have any effect whatsoever over anybody while AFK.. why don't you log off?

I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking.

Yes, i want to shoot whoever i please in EVE. Problem?


If you want to be 100% safe, dock or log-off. This is what i've been taught in EVE. (Actually i've been told that the only perfectly safe place in EVE is the login screen).

You want to be in space, have access to your directional scan and be able to stalk people while being safer then someone sitting inside a POS (which can have its password stolen, or a spy with access reseting the password and hitting everyone with the ******* POS itself). I am perfectly fine with the chance of beeing shot-down and killed anywhere i fly in space, at any time by anyone. I am not the carebear.


You are

One would be surprised how easy it is to set up a disposable starbase in a hostile system and sit, in a non-cloaking ship, inside the starbase shields with impunity. Takes people weeks to realize that you're the Caldari Shuttle or Iteron Mark III on d-scan at some random moon, rather than some nefarious recon pilot.

Lol, carebear cowards using forum alts. How... cowardly of you.

Well.. in one point i can agree with them, at least have the balls to say what you think looking them in the eye. I've had more than my fair share of cloakers come to my house because i have the guts to stand for what i believe.

You are talking with people who more often than not run out of valid arguments, Then they turn to personal insults.

HA!

the killing of hulks and the PVE ravens and the ratting abaddons is pretty dignified, and its done by people AT THE KEYBOARD, the ones you profess to have no problem with.

so either you are just a moron or you are pulling off a fairly decent troll, but that last post foiled your plan and I'll feed you no more.

and my offer stands, you wanna dance? I'll be happy to be your partner, and it won't be in any damn covops boat I can tell you that.

oh enough of you already, my post it thoroughly relevant which is more than I can say for all the poop that you posted in this thread.
go play jimminy cricket somewhere else, the grownups are talking here

CRY SOME MOOOOOOOAR

So wait, what if he's not afk and just generally an insomniac and stays up for days at a time?

You sound more like you want to nerf cloaking, is that true?


Also whats wrong with all the effective counters proposed in this thread?

So wait, what if he's not afk and just generally an insomniac and stays up for days at a time?

You sound more like you want to nerf cloaking, is that true?


Also whats wrong with all the effective counters proposed in this thread?

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Jesus, these people would never make it in a wormhole.

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I still think delayed local in 0.0 makes everyone happy. Cloaked ships can't see you, you can't see them.

Win-win

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Its local that casues "the issue" so it is very much part of the topic.

You would not even know they were in system if it wasn't for that red little square and people wouldn't cower in fear of something that may or may not happen rather than adapting to counter it.

Nerf local. You no longer have a box with a random neut or red sitting there scaring you into a station/pos, covert ops get to be covert and the 0.0 bots stop working. 3 things fixed with one stone.

Ahh, This thread is a gift that just keeps on giving.

Sure. As soon as you explain why it is a even problem that needs to be solved and, if so, why the proposed solution of removing them from local (or, indeed, removing local entirely) is not adequate to solve that (supposed) problem.

Diddent read thread as far too long,

Why are AFK cloakers a problem again???? I rat all the time in systems with a red in local... there is this thing in game called a "DIRECTIONAL SCANNER" its quite handy you know...


but then the real problem with AFK cloakers is that people cant run their bots... so keep it up AFK'ers your doing a grand job :D


ES

Why?

So you want to completely break an entire class of ships so you can run your bot fleets?