Ya I highly doubt that will happen. I and many others have stated that nerfing local = leaving the game. So can we focus on the topic please?

If you are active and watching said stuff that's fine but inactive means able to be found. That is the reason behind the suggestion. The entire POINT is to deny the ability to AFK to watch said activities.

If you don't want a probe to be able to "See" you how about this. The longer you stay on grid the more presence you build up. After a random amount the probe will be able to see you (And resulting in a decloak after some time later) If you keep moving I can see why it isnt needed for a probe to say there is a cloak in system. In nullsec local will provide that info anyway.

I never said my idea isn't a nerf. It is only a targeted nerf towards those who are Afking while cloaked which people are admitting they are doing even in wormhole (Removing the idea that removing local = removing AFK cloaking) If you are active I want to keep your activties the same as today as possible but the minute you walk away and don't log off I want the penalty to get worse resulting in your location decloaked and destroyed.

Active players wont be decloaked without warning with my plan. They have time to go to safespot and come back generating a new random point to be uncloaked. It doesn't seriously affect them. It just removes the incentive to go AFK.

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Go AFK but under my plan you will eventually be found and destroyed. That is the idea. You get to take a risk like everyone else.

anomaly denial

Which has been pointed out as something that can be achieved while being cloaked and afk.

sit afk on an anomaly, cloaked, preventing it from despawning.

while AFK.

=)

If my plan interferes with you then so be it..

Again, try reading the thread. No-one was complaing about resource denial. The problem is about AFK players been able to deny resources to active players. It should take active play to counter active play, otherwise the effort levels required are so far out of wack that something is seriously messed up!.

As a final point -

I agree that Local is FAR too powerful a Intel tool, however until a proper scanner system can be implemented (without causing loads of lag) its here to stay. This isn't about Local.

If I point a gun at your head, then tell you not to do something or I'll shoot you, then you aren't going to do it are you?
Its the same thing. A cloaker in local is effectively pointing a cyno at anyone in system.

Now, if I should step behind a wall and poke the barrel through a piece of fabric covering a whole in the wall (making it clear I can still see you as a cloaker can also via local/d-scan), are you going to risk doing it? After all, theres no proof I'm am still holding the gun at all. I could of gone to sleep for all you know. The point is you DON'T know. However would you take the risk? I'm willing to bet the answer is no in all but extremely rare circumstances (or incredibly stupid people)

Its about POTENTIAL damage, particually if you are trying to make ISK. Losing a ship sets that back a long way and puts Null so far behind L4s or Incursions or WHs that its pointless to be in Null at all.

Hiding.

Discussing removing local is pointless without some knowledge of the scanner system that would replace it. Until we have an idea about that we simply don't have the information to know what affects ANY change we would have. Removing local without some decent scanner system to replace it would just be dumb. I know I'm not willing to hammer a button every 3 seconds whenever I'm in space and I'm sure a lot of other people aren't as well!

cloaking is a counter to local... afk cloaking is an exploitation of a game mechanic to make local obsolete...

the first is awesome the second is lame duck

you can? i was under the impression that they fixed un probable ships?

I have many times. Still do.

I asked if he went AFK in it. Pointed skyward with mwd is plausible, but why would ya?

If AFK system denial was the intent, you'd get the same effect in something worth 1/10 the cost.