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Jim'ard Stone
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:34:00 -
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10% dmg bonus per lvl 475m\s and a tracking bonus plus 3 turret and 2 missle hardpoints make this ship overpowered for its class.
Its more than a match for all AF's except The retribution and a gist fitted harpy, When of course its been fitted with a plate etc
I think this ship really does need to be nerfed. Not to mention the 3 dmg types of proj ammo.
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Avatar Ashlee
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:35:00 -
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Ever fit a plate on a autocannon wolf and take one on? it dies easy. Now calm down here, on paper its fastest, but lo an behold, it has the HIGHEST mass, so it gets the least out of MWD bonus. It ends up being a medium speed inty.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:36:00 -
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lol
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Jim'ard Stone
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:38:00 -
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reguardless 10% dmg bonus per lvl on a ceptor is wrong even tho the ranis has it, its slow and only does therm and kin the two highest resistences, the claw hits with explosive which is the weak spot on all ships except t2 amarr ships.
The claw is by far OTT on the dmg - give it a 5% dmg bonus at the very least.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:41:00 -
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I want 10% damage on my Zealot and Deimos!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Jim'ard Stone
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:43:00 -
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seriously guys keep it on topic and friendly - Really weigh up the facts here with the claw. I mean that video Thedrukenone made with the claw says it all really. Ceptors should not be allowed to do that.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:44:00 -
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Someone just got owned by a claw.
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:45:00 -
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Most ceptors can do that, the issue is with plates not with the ship go wave your nerf sticks some where else.
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Jim'ard Stone
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:46:00 -
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come on you think honestly the ship is fair. Seriously be honest here, you dont think its ever so slightly more powerful than it should be?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:48:00 -
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"I want 10% damage on my Zealot and Deimos!!!!!!!!!!!!"
err...
Deimos:
Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 5% less penalty to max capacitor capacity for Microwarpdrive usage per level
Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff and 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level
... 10% damage per level.
Zealot:
Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use and 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret rate of fire per level
Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage per level
... slightly more than 10% damage per level.
If that was sarcasm then sorry, getting too sleepy here to be able to tell anymore >.<;;
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Jim'ard Stone
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Rasitiln
Most ceptors can do that, the issue is with plates not with the ship go wave your nerf sticks some where else.
Rasitiln this is where we tell the mods what we think is wrong with the game becus its far from perfect, if i and other feel the claw is overpowered then im goin to tell them and see if they think so too. I merely ask for friendly opinions from the community for backing. Either say you agree or say you dont agree and state ur logical reasons. Dont tell people not to voice there opinions.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jim'ard Stone
The claw is by far OTT on the dmg - give it a 5% dmg bonus at the very least.
Boy, aren't we being clueless today.
All inties get a total of 100% of bonuses... The claw just happens to get two 25% damage bonuses, stacking to a 50% damage bonus.
The claw aint overpowered... plates might be, but not the claw itself. It's perfectly balanced.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:51:00 -
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And the thing with that also j0, is that 5% + 5% added on that is better than a flat 10%.
By the way Jim'tard, the taranis does about 50% more damage than the claw. The crow also has a 10% damage per level bonus - should it be nerfed too?
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.07.23 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jim'ard Stone
seriously guys keep it on topic and friendly - Really weigh up the facts here with the claw. I mean that video Thedrukenone made with the claw says it all really. Ceptors should not be allowed to do that.
the claw has always been the claw. the only change it have had is when the tracking bonus added which did not change a whole lot for it (in most cases - though it has helped some setups... not drunkenones setup though funny enough)...
when weirda initially flew claw everyone said it was ****... there were a few pilots out there that swore by it... but it was all about taranis and crow... just look at their prices still. 
the claw doesn't need a nerf... pilots flying other race ships just need brains. matari had to adapt for so long that we evolved. 
now deal with it! 
there is nothing other to say really - calling for the nerf of a ship is like either:
a) LOL (to quote selim)
b) bowing down and admitting defeat through lack of intellect
c) the lowest form of life thing on earth
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.07.23 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Weirda on 23/07/2005 04:12:45
the one advantage that the claw do have is that most of it opponent fly cookie-cutter setups, so when at the fitting window you can pretty much go through your cookie cutter checklist. 
maybe some non-claw pilots can break that mold? 
Originally by: Jim'Tard
reguardless 10% dmg bonus per lvl on a ceptor is wrong even tho the ranis has it, its slow and only does therm and kin the two highest resistences, the claw hits with explosive which is the weak spot on all ships except t2 amarr ships.
kin and th most resisted to who? explosive is the most resisted damage type, bar none, with thermal as the least...
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Jim'ard Stone
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Posted - 2005.07.23 04:48:00 -
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ah well like the counter strike community its seems eve is goin that way too, guess theres always guna be people that wana talk dis-respectfully to others.
I tried to keep things friendly.
nevermind.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.23 04:57:00 -
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Some are bragging they can take assault frigates on with a Claw.
Be it true or false, a call for nerf is silly.
Look what it did to Caldari.
You think the Claw is one of the best interceptors, or even the best?
Well, the Thorax is the best cruiser hands down too. Want to nerf the rax?
Don't even get me started on the Zealot...
What about CCP stops the madness for a second and revise ALL ships.
Only minor adjustments would do the trick, like a powergrid increase here, a bonus changed there, and all would be good.
Nerfs are bad.
Very bad.
And very stupid.
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Hoozin
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Posted - 2005.07.23 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim'ard Stone
ah well like the counter strike community its seems eve is goin that way too, guess theres always guna be people that wana talk dis-respectfully to others.
I tried to keep things friendly.
nevermind.
It's not that at all, it's coming on to the forums and saying that something needs to be nerfed. There are times when Oveur says, "We're going to nerf ***********." and people cheer. More often than not, people want nothing more than to hang the devs out windows by their collective toenails. Telling the people that read these forums that something needs to be nerfed is generally considered (among other things) to be "bad form." (almost made a typo of "bad forum," which would probably fit too...)
If you had taken an approach of asking how to beat a claw that seems unbeatable to you, you'd get about 50% of people telling you to get creative and about 50% of people actually trying to help you out. Somewhere along the line, you might have been able to slip in the idea that it seems overpowered in some aspect, at which point people might be tempted to agree with you.
As for the people that "wana talk dis-respectfully to others" - Welcome to the EVE-Online Player Forums. You get used to it unfortunately.
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DUFFMANX
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Posted - 2005.07.23 05:20:00 -
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Tell me where u fly around and ill bring my gattling crusader down and show u how overpowered it is
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2005.07.23 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Phelan Lore on 23/07/2005 05:28:50
Originally by: Jim'ard Stone
seriously guys keep it on topic and friendly - Really weigh up the facts here with the claw. I mean that video Thedrukenone made with the claw says it all really. Ceptors should not be allowed to do that.
LOL you obviously didn't watch the video very closely. It drops the MWD or AB, standard setup for most inties, to fit more armor. This makes it's top speed very slow, about that of an assault frig. In all essence this set up is an assault frig, with all of the advantages and disadvantages of said class. The only advantage of a setup like that over an actual assault frig is the surprise factor, most other pilots don't expect an interceptor to be set up like that and don't take the necessary precautions.
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.07.23 06:52:00 -
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boo hoo. There is nothing wrong with the ship. You ran into a pilot who is either better skilled or has a better setup then your stock setup for any situation.
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.07.23 06:58:00 -
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lol i love the claw, its crappy cap is ripe for nos 
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Tulor
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Posted - 2005.07.23 08:01:00 -
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destroyers are better!
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.07.23 09:28:00 -
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Jijm 'ard, you realise that if those Af's started at 15km+ then they would've probably won those fights (especially if they had a webber). Claw is designed as a damage inty imo, not as a 'tackler'. Look at the Taranis/Crusader and tell me CCP haven't designed a 'shooty' and a 'tackler' inty for each race (I get stuck on the Caldari, both tackle as well as each other)
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DEVILSENIGMA
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Posted - 2005.07.23 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jim'ard Stone
seriously guys keep it on topic and friendly - Really weigh up the facts here with the claw. I mean that video Thedrukenone made with the claw says it all really. Ceptors should not be allowed to do that.
That claw does NOT have a mwd or web. If you web that Claw before you get into its web range then he is screwed since auto's dont have much for range. Without a MWD or AB he can't come back into range to even start hitting you.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.07.23 09:33:00 -
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Why does everyone in this game have to have every ship banced with other races? Its fine with me in minmatar have the best ceptors or gallente have the best cruiser etc etc
Not every race should be good at every class of ships
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.07.23 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: DEVILSENIGMA
Originally by: Jim'ard Stone
seriously guys keep it on topic and friendly - Really weigh up the facts here with the claw. I mean that video Thedrukenone made with the claw says it all really. Ceptors should not be allowed to do that.
That claw does NOT have a mwd or web. If you web that Claw before you get into its web range then he is screwed since auto's dont have much for range. Without a MWD or AB he can't come back into range to even start hitting you.
Actually, it has a web and scrambler, no AB/MWD. it will therefore go about as fast as an AF with an AB when webbed/normal speed
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.07.23 09:46:00 -
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I won't comment on the Claw vs AF thing, that's DrunkenOne's dept. However, no other inty even worries me except when fighting against another Claw. That must say something.
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Porro
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Posted - 2005.07.23 10:21:00 -
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I allways thought the problem was assault frigates not doing enough damage, a taranis outdamages an enyo etc. Claw doesnt need a nerf don't be silly, if it has a plate you'll be faster than it and use that speed to keep out of its range.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.07.23 10:34:00 -
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claw has crappy cap and cpu
and it cant fit long range guns and anything else
Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now? |
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