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Dax Jr
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Posted - 2013.02.14 15:12:00 -
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Pen Dulum wrote: I currently have marauders level 4 and fly a rail kronos. But its become very frustrating with drone agro now and when taking out the smaller ships has becomes a chore. Battleship size ships aint a problem just unless im 50k+ away from anything anything smaller is just painstakingly slow and annoying.
Any advice on what i can do next ?
Going the 'HAM Tengu' isnt really a option as i have next to no missile skills.
So what should i do ?
Will blasters work on a L4 kronos ?
Time to respec something else ?
Use two tracking computers. Optimal range scripts allow you to hit rats for full damage beyond 60km with antimatter L.
Fit a Federation Navy stasis webifier on your third medium slot. 90% web strength is extremely powerful even in missions. Pop smaller rats when you first land in a pocket with turrets. Use the web when frigates and webifier drones are within 5km range before releasing your drones on them.
The fourth mid slot is up to you. A cap recharger, third tracking computer or even a target painter will help. I am using an omnidirectional tracking link nowadays to boost Garde IIs range and tracking. My Kronos pours out 1,050 DPS up to 50km.
Remember that PvE in EVE is about range projection. Blasters will consume more time because you have to move to each group, while rats will typically orbit at a certain range. Which brings me to HAMs. Heavy Assault Missiles have too short a range and do not benefit from Guided Missile Precision. Scourge Precision Heavy Missiles assisted with a target painter or warhead rigor catalyst kills frigates in less time.
Before deciding on a long term plan, learn to fly your Kronos to its maximum potential. You may opt to cross-train Minmatar and field a Vargur or Machariel in the future. Experiment until you find an optimal setup.
Zhantiii Arnoux wrote:Hehe same thign with missiles if you dont fit it right.... i counted yesterday that it took 580 scourge fury to kill a small sig frig in a mission :D
Either ren and stimpy programmed my ships systems or its just way way waayyyy to overdone :)
All you need to do reallty is to use drone at a closer range, but seeing your ship is a rail kronos thats also gimping yourslef :/
Rail Kronos is fine. You are the one gimping yourself with an inferior ship.
sabre906 wrote:Large rails will never hit frig rats at web range with 10 webs... 
I hit frigates all the time. 90% web strength does the trick. Ever tried Buzz Kill in a Kronos, Paladin, or Vindicator with proper web bonus? 0.03 rad/sec tracking on a large Railgun or Tachyon will shoot them down in one volley.
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:33:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Actually HAMs do benefit from guided missile precision, as do torpedoes and rockets now.
Source?
I ask because my of tests with a HAM Tengu and torpedo Golem earlier this month.
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:13:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Retribution 1.0 patch notes. http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp"The Guided Precision skill has been changed to affect all missiles." I saw a very noticeable difference when shooting at elite frigates with my HAM legion when I finished guided missile precision 5.
Thank you.
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:50:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Read: At web range. And that's web range for a Kronos, not Bhaal. Giving the sig radius and scan resolution gap, 0.03 rad/sec is nowhere close to enough at web range, at any web strength. And these large rails are 0.01 rad/sec, not 0.03, swap all your TC scripts to tracking and it still won't cut it.
Right. Two tracking speed scripts. I blap frigates after bringing them down to 30 m/s transversal.
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:22:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:
No you didn't. You blapped them on approach with no transversal and their pesudo-mwd sig bloom on, not orbiting within web range.
Arch Gistii Hunter
Signature Radius: 35 m
Orbit Velocity: 225.0 m/s
Orbit Range: 2,000 m
Max. Velocity: 450 m/s
425mm Railgun II
Trackingspeed / Accuracy 0.01010625 rad/sec
Signature Resolution 400 m <-*important*
Don't EFT spar me. Hop off your Machariel and try it in a Vindicator. Web range of 14km is really enough, you know.
Yes, I have 0.032 rad/sec tracking. How many times do I have to repeat myself?
Also, Solarius > just tell him Solarius says it's possible now deal with it
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:46:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:
Actually, Mach can blap down to 15km on approach, just before rat pseudo-mwd turns off. AC tracking is completely different from Rails.
Signature Resolution 400 m <-*important*
You're using Large Rails with signature resolution of 400m to shoot frig rat with 35m sig radius orbiting at 2km. You're not hitting it while it's orbiting.
Any rat you may have hit is on approach, not orbiting, webbed or not.
The lack of transversal and sig bloom on approach is what makes the difference. AC's high tracking is a small factor in comparison.
You don't get it, do you?
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:00:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Sure. I get that you shot some frig rats on approach with rails, and pretends you shot them when they were orbiting at 2k just because you had a web fitted. Had to explain the impossibility throughly to those who don't know better so you don't fool them. 
No. You are the fool here.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 04:25:00 -
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Pen Dulum wrote:So a dual web will work on hitting frigs np ? no matter how close ?
But losing tracking speed wont that hurt the rails//kronos ?
Read my first post in this thread. Two tracking computers will give you the flexibility of range control. Increased chance of higher quality hits is another reason. Refer to the turret damage entry in EVElopedia.
Again, I emphasize finding the configuration that is works for you. Many mission runners will run with one or more alts. The best pilot I know of flies without local reps; he clears and salvages top tier missions under twenty minutes. There is less incentive to use two webs when you have ten Hobgoblin IIs and other e-war at your disposal.
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