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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.07.17 18:33:00 -
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Let's try this way of reporting bugs, you give us:
- A new PvP scenario,
- JumpScramblers or Jumpgate-Shutdown-On-Combat
- 24/7 Randomly seeded Markets (not just after downtime)
- Trade Goods Sinks (station trade good needs).
In return, I'll post a complete description of an exploit that's been ingame since Beta 1, and probably earlier.
Sound fair?
Edited by: Ctaesis on 17/07/2003 18:38:07
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MindBender
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Posted - 2003.07.17 18:59:00 -
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If you are aware of an exploit and have not reported it then I hope that rather than replying to your post CCP just bans you.
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.07.17 19:06:00 -
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If CCP chooses to look at my account assets they will see that my character is roughly average - not a lot of money, a couple ships, a couple bps, and a lot of junk assets scattered around the universe.
Just because I designed an exploit during beta doesn't mean I've used it to gain an unfair advantage during release. That wouldn't be nice at all.
Ctaesis wears a White Hat.
Edited by: Ctaesis on 17/07/2003 19:06:32
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.07.17 20:52:00 -
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Is there some bug in the forum software that randomly adds spaces or linebreaks?
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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.07.17 21:11:00 -
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dont be silly
why would this forum be bugged
nothign ccp does is ever bugged
i think you are confused, i think we should cut u down at the gate with our swords
/end ccp information minister political report :D
anyone notice that pann appeared shortly after the iraq war ended....... same person? same job? reporting facts and events?
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.07.17 21:14:00 -
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Last few posts ive seen are scrambled and the boards ate my sig.
Check settings (under in-game board at left) - a new option has appeared, checkbox for "default character."
That seems to have b0rked everyon'e settings.
See, and i told you that for free without extorting anything for it... i think your hat looks a little grey from here, man... ,-)
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Skorp
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Posted - 2003.07.17 21:19:00 -
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This topic is making me freaking puke all over my keyboard, u people realy need to get a social life or something. The eve community do not need people like you, bah.
Moderators? How about a lock or delete?
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Skorp,
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Ishta'ka
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Posted - 2003.07.17 21:34:00 -
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Well, YOUR post was clearly uncalled for. Please shut your gob and be silent in the face of your elders.
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Lithorus
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Posted - 2003.07.17 22:39:00 -
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Ctaesis, perhaps you should take of that white hat while extorting people.
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.07.17 23:37:00 -
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"i think you are confused, i think we should cut u down
at the gate with our swords"
Yipes! Then again, if I'm at the gate already, I'll just jump and escape! :p
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.07.18 00:38:00 -
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Smart move blowing that trumpet here.
You do realise you now let the cat out of the bag? Now not-so-nice-but-oh-so-clever people will look for it, and most probably find it, too. That what you want?
And demanding bugfixes in exchange for bugreports is a bit... pathetic...
You call yourself white hat? Looks to me like there's a couple of black stains on it.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.07.18 02:17:00 -
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/me hopes this isn't 'Warp mining' all over again
*EDIT: CTAESIS - I know it was a hoax *
Edited by: MOOstradamus on 18/07/2003 20:22:27
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.18 07:01:00 -
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What should it be?
Hijacking a system in order to make it unpossible to buy/sell or pickup/deliver things which would lead to some consequences when someone uses (maybe faked) buy/sell orders?
If there will be anti-jump equipment, so there will there will be a countermeasure for it.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.07.18 08:36:00 -
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>>
demanding bugfixes in exchange for bugreports is a bit...
pathetic...
You call yourself white hat? Looks to me like there's a
couple of black stains on it.
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I agree completely - not just black, but deepest black.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.18 13:11:00 -
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I'm guessing from his description that he's talking about something that involves hacking those Python sourcecode files on the client side.
A skilled Python programmer could probably hook in some REALLY powerful macros.
Unless the .py files in the game are compiled bytecode. (IIRC there is some sort of support for compiled bytecode in Python, but I can't be sure of that.) If they aren't, CCP really should investigate some way of only using compiled bytecode for the Python portions of the client.
Edited by: BSOD on 18/07/2003 13:12:32
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.07.18 15:34:00 -
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@MOOstradamus
Well, the difference is, warp mining was a hoax.
@Athule Snanm
If I posted exploit code, that say, automatically ran Robotics trade routes, or dumped data that the client knows about but doesn't tell the user about, or wrote and posted an auto-aim, auto-jump, auto-emergency-warp, or auto-target-all-badies-without-using-that-lame-module, then I think you might have a leg to stand when talking about "the deepest black".
As it stands now, I'm more like an off-white, possibly AntiqueWhite (#FAEBD7) or Beige (#F5F5DC). Cornsilk (#FFF8DC) is pretty close too.
What color do you really think I am? Use the color chart at this site to make your choice!
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_colornames.asp
Edited by: Ctaesis on 18/07/2003 15:46:17
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Morleidr
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Posted - 2003.07.18 17:10:00 -
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What an astonishingly retarded level of arrogance. You are morally obligated to report any exploits you find, let alone create yourself.
You can't hold that information hostage until CCP makes EVE the game you want. The things you want, other people want too (myself included) -- but holding a bug report at bay is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
You think CCP cares? Seems to me that given the recent changes they'd rather do anything to increase the subscriber base than protect the integrity of the game or their vision for it.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.07.18 17:33:00 -
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And, moreover, in case you care, you've just opened yourself up to two brilliant possibilities:
1) you've admitted to grounds for a permaban, and more important to you one would think is
2) anything that goes wrong from this point on can be legally pinned on your ass, especially in the free and open hacker-loving American criminal justice system where intelligence is regarded so highly.
you'd better report this and fast and hope and pray that, meanwhile, some other idiot doesn't figure something else out and cause damage - 'cause you'll end up with the blame and/or legal liability for it. You can rant at me all you want about how you disagree with that, and maybe i do too, but i have a US Attourney that'll tell you that denial of the facts doesn't make them go away.
You think you found Something Bad, report it privately to CCP and help make it go away. Chances are high, anyway, that you will find it not to be the great gaping hole you envision. You might want to check again just to be sure.
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Varsuuk
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Posted - 2003.07.18 18:25:00 -
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Non the dude or his morality or intelligence or any of those things from me. My life isn't this game and I don't get all bent out of shape on my responsibilities for 'saving it.'
As far as I know, if he knows an exploit and doesn't use it and doesn't report it: tough *****. He is not obligated to do any such thing, again as far as I know since I don't peruse the form we all click-thru on. If there WAS such a codecil it would never stand in an American (and I suspect any common-law based) court. Most likely in none. The only HOPE they would have is if he had EXACT and specific knowledge of someone using it and being named whatever some countries have as criminal penalties for their "Good Samaritan" laws (where you are obliged to report crimes under law) or if he himself spread the info (he didn't here, who knows in game) in which he could be as an accomplice.
Either way, not interested in commenting whether his initial 'blackmail' was childish, effective, waste of bytestream, or amusing. I merely was annoyed at the immature response to his tantrum (ok, that's prejudicial... but it >could< be a CCP-deserved tantrum)
I myself until last week or maybe bit more stopped bothering reporting bug or exploits (only saw one I believe) because of CCP's move to (even more) customer (dis)service when they went to the "email your in game petition and we will get back to you to say we most likely can't do anything but we will do it over a matter of days and you will have to keep checking your mail. Thank you" level of service.
I've played EQ and DAoC. Both have had, liek any game will inc EVE, customer service level probs - but I've neaver hear of a 'real' game not having the ability to pay for ppl to respond to customers while they are playing. It is a perception issue as much as a performance issue.
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Lijah Reaper
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Posted - 2003.07.18 19:21:00 -
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What a surprising message thread. I like it. For all we know the "bug report" could be a bluff, but it will be interesting to see what happens from the CCP side.
Anyway, I'm going to crosslink to another post because this has much to do with what is "requested". A lot more people than just Ctaesis want some stuff done with gate approach/blockade/combat.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=19839
Trade good uses/manufacturing:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=20158
--opinions expressed are purely my own and are not related to my corporation--
Edited by: Lijah Reaper on 18/07/2003 19:24:16
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Hume Gama
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Posted - 2003.07.18 23:39:00 -
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Dont post expliots here in the fourms. You can do a exploit petition, which isn't shared with the whole community, in-game.
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Ehxo
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Posted - 2003.07.19 06:42:00 -
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If you post this here but won't tell anyone then you are just looking for attention. If you know what you claim to know, then send the info to CCP instead of keeping it to yourself or trying to sound like the "cool dude" by showing off here. That's not what the boards are for and you'll only annoy people with your arrogance. Thank you come again.
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Mustafa Ken'Yova
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Posted - 2003.07.19 07:04:00 -
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*Cough*
Although, Ehxo, you seem to be far more intelligent then some of the other pirate corp people seen on these forums *cough*, I feel that you reply as an oppurtunity to "try" to take a cheap shot.
Ctaesis likes to stir things up a bit and gauge peoples reactions. Apparently some people cannot appreciate this, or perhaps he was just trying to prove this point to someone else. Maybe both.
The truth in the matter is, I'm sure he is looking for an official response from CCP at which point, whether those "demands" are met or not (will resoundingly *not* be), he will inform them of this flaw.
You say he looks for attention, but I think its rather more of a analogy: "Cry fire and people will run". I think if more people would realize how childish and over-defensively they act, this world would be a much better place.
*I also point out that these views are solely my own and not of my corporation*
Edited by: Mustafa Ken'Yova on 19/07/2003 07:05:33
Edited by: Mustafa Ken'Yova on 19/07/2003 07:07:59
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Jebba IV
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Posted - 2003.07.19 17:45:00 -
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lol....how about banning the original poster?
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Lijah Reaper
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Posted - 2003.07.19 18:31:00 -
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I find it interesting that no one is commenting on what is requested in the "demand". Do you agree or disagree with what is asked for? Wouldn't you like to hear some information as to when and if these things will be implimented? I know I would.
I'm probably a little more patient that Ctaesis, but man, there are no grounds for banning here. Sit back and see what happens.
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Doppelganger
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Posted - 2003.07.19 19:07:00 -
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Python has a quasi-bytecode format (if it could be called that....sheesh) but it's still an interpreted language, as it always has been, and can be easily reverse engineered. (note: python interpreted is 99% as fast as "compiled" python, which the documentation simply says removes a few bits here and there)
I wouldn't worry too much though; as for uber powerful cheats, those are probably not able to be written in python...as they would be too heavily involved in the game kernel, which would, if written in python, make the game run like garbage...
oh crap, we're in trouble. :D
Edited by: Doppelganger on 19/07/2003 19:07:49
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.07.19 19:58:00 -
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Go TIT !! I really really love you guys so very very much
Please continue to accuse others of shortcomings whilst solidly defending a fellow corp member in his humorous attempts to blackmail CCP.
Is this another example of the legendary teachings of Ayn Rand put to good use ??
Edited by: MOOstradamus on 19/07/2003 19:59:51
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Mustafa Ken'Yova
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Posted - 2003.07.20 01:30:00 -
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"Go TIT !! I really really love you guys so very very much
Please continue to accuse others of shortcomings whilst solidly defending a fellow corp member in his humorous attempts to blackmail CCP.
Is this another example of the legendary teachings of Ayn Rand put to good use ??"
This is exactly the type of response I expected.
Edited by: Mustafa Ken'Yova on 20/07/2003 01:30:25
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.20 01:55:00 -
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Do the EVE Darwin Awards include "assinine threads" as a category?
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Hume Gama
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Posted - 2003.07.20 02:17:00 -
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They do now!
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