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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2011.10.12 12:38:00 -
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I trust the people in my corp.
I love some of the frigate and cruiser models. This point more than anything is subjective, and kills any argument you might have had.
Null money sucks unless you own a tech moon, or have a dozen bot accounts. WH is where the money is good. Good for wannabe-pirate tears too. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
57
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Posted - 2011.10.12 12:43:00 -
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The whiners who complain about and hate miners as the scum of the universe, yet like to buy and use all the items/ships/modules that exist in EVE and are created by us. They will point to the QEN and wail about how PVE is the biggest source of ISK to the economy, and I have yet to see one player that can show me a ship manufactured from pure ISK, or a POS that accepts ISK as fuel. |
Keno Skir
8
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Posted - 2011.10.12 13:56:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:My point of view though is that I have nothing to offer a big Corp at this point in time, until I have a decent skillset. The only person who has nothing to offer is a person who is not willing to offer anything. Glib, very easy to say that and try feel smug about it. Got anything intelligent to contribute or are you always this moribund ? I's like saying "this tomato is red, therefore it is not an orange" - Using your semantic logic.
At least he had a point of view which was directly pertinent to the topic at hand, your comparison of logic is flawed.
One contradiction off the top of my head is how piles and piles of new players start their careers thinking mining is the best option for making their first paycheck, but comparatively few day 1-3 players rock a cheapo salvage fit dispite the huge profit potential for early salvagers compared to early miners. Although this is likely just the difference between a new player who meets an experienced guide and one who strikes out solo too intimidated to ask for advice.
The Apostle-á :-á I want a kangeroo
Captain Kirk-á :-á Silly Austrians
Sarmatiko-á-á-á-á :-á Let me guess: you're from US?
Captain Kirk-á :-á Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Pyx Jasta
104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment
26
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Posted - 2011.10.12 13:58:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Mine:
1. "TRUST NO ONE IN EVE" - then - "JOIN A CORP or the game sucks basically, and it does, I know I have been solo for 2yrs, but I am odd that way, I like suckage apparently.
One doesn't necessarily negate two. Eventually there are people you will likely trust, but blind trust is foolish.
Quote:2. "We want new players" - then - Rookie ships and starting frigates and cruisers really do look like the crappiest ship in the game.
Personally I disagree, there are some mid-tier and even higher tier ships that look terrible and definitely worse than the rookie ships. From a personal aesthetic, there are a couple of races who's ships just look bad to me.
Quote:3. "YOU MUST GO TO NULL TO GET RICH" - then - "TRUST NO ONE", but only can you get there if you JOIN an ALLIANCE...
... right off the bat this came to mind, list you can think of some... enjoy.
See #1.
Only contradiction that springs to mind is. This is a game, games are supposed to fun. Eve has mining.
game=fun<>mining. |
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
1
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Posted - 2011.10.12 13:58:00 -
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"Gallente ships are missile boats"
*Trick contradiction though, lachesis |
Thorn Galen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2011.10.12 14:00:00 -
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@Keno Skir : Perhaps you missed my apology to him in an earlier post.
The door is not real. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2011.10.12 14:23:00 -
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Significant sovereignty and system "upgrade" fees in outlaw / null-sec space.
The only rational explanation is that CCP needed another ISK sink in-game.
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Serial Chi
DeathStar Systems
6
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:14:00 -
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risk vs reward. the bigger the risk, the bigger the reward. theres tons of rewards with NO risk. |
Garbad theWeak
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:46:00 -
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Its a game about spaceships, yet CCP wants you to buy pants. |
Kengutsi Akira
32
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:16:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:
Null sec to get rich, yet you could swear that highsec is richest by the way some comments in these forums are made. You should never, ever send a newbie into Nullsec.
I disagree entirely. Our alliance very frequently sees brand new players, less than a week old, become billionaires as a result of donations from other members, the preponderance of alliance subsidized programs catering to newbies, and the wealth of opportunities that anyone with the right information can exploit. Access to a group of friends, a wealth of data that documents much more about the game than the game itself does, and mentoring towards effectively doing whatever it is they want to do is how you make newbies feel welcome, keep them interested in the game, and see to their success. You get those things from a player corporation, not from going it alone. I mean, by all means, if you want you can certainly mine Veldspar or run Level 1 missions in high-security space for a few hours to finance your first Cruiser, then continue to slowly grind your way up from the bottom as you beat your head against a wall trying to figure things out for yourself; or, you can pod jump out to nullsec (or wherever your particular alliance or corporation lives) and enjoy the multiplayer experience. I wish that I had been in Goonfleet from day one, when I first picked up this game, instead of floating around, lost and confused, in a Merlin wondering why I kept dying during any mission against Sansha's Nation or the Blood Raiders. The truth is that a brand new player, with an established corporation or alliance to guide him, can make more ISK and have more fun in a week than a clueless idiot bumbling his way blindly through high-security space can make by himself in a year.
Yeah cause you totally recruit people as more than targets to gank from this game right?
oh yeah you dont
Pyx Jasta wrote:Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Mine:
1. "TRUST NO ONE IN EVE" - then - "JOIN A CORP or the game sucks basically, and it does, I know I have been solo for 2yrs, but I am odd that way, I like suckage apparently.
One doesn't necessarily negate two. Eventually there are people you will likely trust, but blind trust is foolish. Only contradiction that springs to mind is. This is a game, games are supposed to fun. Eve has mining. game=fun<>mining.
Um there ARE people that find mining fun
O.O *gasp*
I know its hard to understand that some ppl like the things you hate in the game but there are other people out there with -
other game styles
I know that must shock you... |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
4
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:31:00 -
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The Goons recuiting ...
vs
What happens when the noob shows up in zero with all their goods. |
Deopheel Dalonne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:31:00 -
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Garbad theWeak wrote:Its a game about spaceships, yet CCP wants you to buy pants.
It is a space opera game.
Have you ever seen Caruso sing without his pants on ? |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
4
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:35:00 -
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The Zero Alliance recruiting adds showing Knights in battle...
vs
the real role of fresh meat... that of a Pawn. |
Arakazzi
Epsilon Inc
STORM.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.13 07:56:00 -
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People continually slating the game and CCP yet keep playing it. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2011.10.13 08:01:00 -
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confirming every ship counts. I have seen so many f'ing hero rifters and merlins and what have yous flown by 1 week old newbies making critical tackles, leading to very juicy kills. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2011.10.13 08:02:00 -
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Comrade Commizzar wrote:The Goons recuiting ...
vs
What happens when the noob shows up in zero with all their goods.
there is a difference between a newbro and a noob. |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2011.10.13 08:41:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:Greetings,
I was listening to the Voices Podcast and doing some mining (Player v. Rock) and something along the lines of the cast got me thinking about why EVE seems to have some major contradicions that really do shoot it in the foot, and I am sure there are others with some, so for CCP (since there is this new openess with CCCP, er... CCP about communications) it may help to clear of the things that some players are all about with here.
Mine:
1. "TRUST NO ONE IN EVE" - then - "JOIN A CORP or the game sucks basically, and it does, I know I have been solo for 2yrs, but I am odd that way, I like suckage apparently.
2. "We want new players" - then - Rookie ships and starting frigates and cruisers really do look like the crappiest ship in the game.
3. "YOU MUST GO TO NULL TO GET RICH" - then - "TRUST NO ONE", but only can you get there if you JOIN an ALLIANCE...
... right off the bat this came to mind, list you can think of some... enjoy.
Well spotted. One of the funniest ones to me is:-
"EVE'S GREAT BECAUSE LOSS REALLY HURTS" - vs- "IT'S JUST A GAME"
The resolution of the contradiction is of course that there's a sort of unspoken macho in EVE akin to drug machismo. Of course loss hurts, it's virtual loss that's supposed to feel a bit like real loss. But the quicker you can suck it up and recover your equilibrium and remember it's just a game, the more manly you are in EVE terms.
It's really a bizarre form of nerdic masochism  |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:03:00 -
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nerdic masochism - hehe.
But is isn't it more correctly - Nordic Nerdic Sado-Masochism with just a dab of Pyro-Necroism in it? I think that would be a good name for a ship ingame.... "Nerdic Masochism" |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
148
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:07:00 -
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1: Only place that is 100% safe in EVE is docked up at a station, or on the login screen. Everyone else, you're fair game to someone regardless if you want it or not.
Then.. we see cloaks.
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Lord Ryan
Derailleurs
38
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:16:00 -
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Hicksimus wrote:My Drake is 26m longer than my Hyperion but my Hyperion is 4x longer than my Drake. I suspect many people measure their ***** the same way.
I know I do.
-á
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
273
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:17:00 -
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"Eve is a sandbox" : "They've got an I win button!"
"Miners are morons" : "Why is Veldspar so expensive?"
"I am leet PvP" : "Suicide ganking a Hulk is within the rules noob!!"
"I am in an elite 0.0 alliance" : "In highsec killing unarmed ice miners"
"You complain incessantly that you want stuff changed pubblie/moron/noob" : "CCP, FIX this!!!"
"CCP have stated that it's in the rules" : "CCP, FIX this!!!"
"Stop trying to change the game pubblie/moron/noob" : "This game is stagnating!"
"There's too many tech moons" : "Except ours"
"There's too many bots" : "Except ours"
"I'm done here" : "truly, I am"....... 
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Thomas Orca
Intaki Armaments
Tactical Narcotics Team
3
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:41:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:"Eve is a sandbox" : "They've got an I win button!" "Miners are morons" : "Why is Veldspar so expensive?" "I am leet PvP" : "Suicide ganking a Hulk is within the rules noob!!" "I am in an elite 0.0 alliance" : "In highsec killing unarmed ice miners" "You complain incessantly that you want stuff changed pubblie/moron/noob" : "CCP, FIX this!!!" "CCP have stated that it's in the rules" : "CCP, FIX this!!!" "Stop trying to change the game pubblie/moron/noob" : "This game is stagnating!" "There's too many tech moons" : "Except ours" "There's too many bots" : "Except ours" "I'm done here" : "truly, I am".......
When have goons claimed to be "leet"?
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John Nucleus
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:59:00 -
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Punisher and Laser's fitting requirements compare to AC's:
Laser are the perfect weapon system to use on a Punisher. The inability of the punisher to dictate range is compensated by the range flexibility and high optimal of lasers. With its big cap pool and the bonus on laser cap cost, it's clear the punisher was build around the idea of using lasers. The problem is that laser cost a lot more to fit than AC. Which means that in order to use this kickass weapon system you penalies the very thing it's good at, its tanking ability.
To funniest part is that in order to maximize its most defining feature, its tank, you need to use the weapon system of its biggest enemy, the Minmatar...
That's my current one. And yes it's a copy/paste from a post I did a few minutes ago but it fitted well. *Get it? "fitted" like in fitting requir... ah nvm... |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2011.10.14 05:23:00 -
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anyone who complains about carebears/miners then flys any ship pretty much other then rookie frigs.. |
Stan Smith
Remenent British Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 06:59:00 -
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people who say "eve is dying" while subscription rates are nowhere close to falling off, and are actually increasing |
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