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Emile Belfleur
Solar Zouaves
34
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Posted - 2013.02.16 02:33:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:What a absurd theory, for such things you have normal police not a governmental security and intelligence force and this rock concert was on a special mega-arena that was created for such events. You are absolutely correct, Captain Lanate. This should have been handled by local police.
Then again, so should every crime and disturbance, everywhere within the Federation. |

Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
279
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Posted - 2013.02.16 02:44:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:[quote=Veikitamo Gesakaarin]I thought managing the amazing and frankly, remarkable feat of inserting ones own head up ones own delicate Gallentean derriere was a Black Eagle specialty? I'd have to agree in this case - stuffing your heads up your behinds isn't a State talent. The Caldari who frequent this forum are far better at cramming their feet into their mouths.
Now isn't it nice to see that it isn't an amarrian and a minmatarr the ones saying nicities to eachother for once! Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Initiate Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |

James Syagrius
The Philalethes Society
181
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:20:00 -
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Uninformed speculation regarding the actions of SDII in this matter are pointless.
Andreus Ixiris wrote:The SDII would not have acted upon this without rationale. Some scurrilous individuals who shall remain nameless might question their motivations, but if they had probable cause their actions were perfectly legitimate under current Federal legislature. Andreus is correct, while we may not know, at this time what motivated the "action", I am confident that it was necessary and proper to maintain public safety.
Emile Belfleur wrote:I have witnessed this kind of event two or three times during my school days, and like so much else in our Federation, the word "concert" is a misnomer here. A concert implies actual musicians putting on an actual music performance. This sort of event, on the contrary, tends to involve a handful of slouchy, unkempt clowns amusing themselves on a stage with lights, smoke and seemingly random (but always uncomfortably loud) sounds. The audience, for lack of a better term, is likewise usually an unruly crowd of similarly unkempt and excessively inebriated half-savages prone to random misdemeanors, heinous amounts of littering and generally disgraceful behavior.
All in all, this was probably shut down because the neighbors complained. I can't say I disagree with your sentiment Msr. Belfeur, related to "elements" within our population, but I a confident that something significant was... avoided. "We are what we do." |

Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
27
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:23:00 -
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Yoma Karima wrote:Just a posible update but curently in Dust the Bunnies are all being hired out by the Federal Intelligence Office and a group called the Villore Spec OPS. This may have something to do with the raid but am not sure.
What systems/planets are they hiring in, Yoma?
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Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
128
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:58:00 -
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Someone's transparent clothing was apparently a bit too transparent.
Think of the children! |

Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
528
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:15:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:Someone's transparent clothing was apparently a bit too transparent.
Think of the children!
I don't think so. If that was the problem, I would have thought they would be more transparent about the whole issue. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1049
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Posted - 2013.02.16 09:15:00 -
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Emile Belfleur wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:What a absurd theory, for such things you have normal police not a governmental security and intelligence force and this rock concert was on a special mega-arena that was created for such events. You are absolutely correct, Captain Lanate. This should have been handled by local police. Then again, so should every crime and disturbance, everywhere within the Federation. I think you misunderstood me, it should if it was the case but the concert was i a designed area so noises and stuff wasn't an issue, the Black Eagles raid ment there was more beyond that or they just got wrong inel. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
413
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Posted - 2013.02.16 10:33:00 -
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The only reason for the Eagles to launch a raid during the actual concert rather than after, in privacy and secrecy, significantly narrows the possibilities of what was involved.
Simon Louvaki wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote: The SDII was approved by the Senate, its legality backed by the Supreme Court. It operates under legislative, executive and judicial oversight. In terms of legitimacy it has a lot more going for it than the CPD.
Of course, if the State hadn't sparked an unprovoked war with the Federation, such measures might not be neccessary in the first place, no?
Despite my distaste for Heth and the CPD, it WAS a result of overwhelming public support and Heth was elected by the Mega corporation's corporate Boards to the head of the State. Its not exactly like your process in the Federation, but its hardly an illegit take over (sadly, for legality and honor sake). As for an unprovoked war. Some might consider the word of a certain Grand Admiral and the murder of hundreds of thousands of Caldari citizens and a prominent CEO enough to do the trick. Then again, few people will ever acknowledge a casus belli for their enemy.
I thought that admiral was called rogue by the Navy after the incident ? |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
900
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Posted - 2013.02.16 10:49:00 -
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Or was it just a dead fly landing in a automatic typewriter causing the wrong name to get printed on their hit lists, causing the Messengers of FreedomGäó to accidentally go after off the wrong person?
I am still amused at the gap between how they see themselves and how everyone else sees them ... but to be fair I suppose the same is true of every nation. EvE Forum Bingo |

Vieve Tisserand
Omerta Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2013.02.16 10:57:00 -
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This seems a strangely obvious and open operation for an organization who seems to pride itself upon clandestine efforts.
One might wonder if it is a magician's spectacle that we are supposed to watch while the trick happens right under our noses.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2042
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Posted - 2013.02.16 12:34:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:I thought that admiral was called rogue by the Navy after the incident ? A fact that almost every Provist conveniently ignores.
Besides, Noir wasn't flying that ship. Mane 614
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
189
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Posted - 2013.02.16 12:39:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:I thought that admiral was called rogue by the Navy after the incident ? A fact that almost every Provist conveniently ignores. Besides, Noir wasn't flying that ship.
Who was flying it ? |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2042
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Posted - 2013.02.16 12:41:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Who was flying it ? Clone impostor. As to who precisely the impostor was, we may never know, but whoever was inside Noir's body, it wasn't Noir. Mane 614
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
189
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Posted - 2013.02.16 12:49:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Who was flying it ? Clone impostor. As to who precisely the impostor was, we may never know, but whoever was inside Noir's body, it wasn't Noir.
You should send your evidence for this to Gutter Press. They'll be able to identify the Caldari Plot behind it reasonably efficiently, I'd think. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2042
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Posted - 2013.02.16 12:54:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:You should send your evidence for this to Gutter Press. They'll be able to identify the Caldari Plot behind it reasonably efficiently, I'd think. Joke around if you want. I don't really have the time to bicker with racist genocide apologists such as yourself, but Verin had an exceptionally clear and concise argument for why we believe what we believe. Mane 614
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
189
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:06:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:You should send your evidence for this to Gutter Press. They'll be able to identify the Caldari Plot behind it reasonably efficiently, I'd think. Joke around if you want. I don't really have the time to bicker with racist genocide apologists such as yourself, but Verin had an exceptionally clear and concise argument for why we believe what we believe.
It is the Theology Council that are the racists. Not True Believers, such as I.
For it is Written, that All are Equal in God's Kingdom.
Which the Council deny. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2042
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:13:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:It is the Theology Council that are the racists. Not True Believers, such as I.
For it is Written, that All are Equal in God's Kingdom.
Which the Council deny. And yet the Minmatar somehow owe a "debt" to the empire that attempted a full-scale genocide against them, for "services rendered" that they never requested? Pull the other one.
You can call yourself a "True Believer" if you want, but the simple fact is that you're just as wrong as the Theology Council because both your religions are fiction. Mane 614
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Destiny Foundation
379
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:20:00 -
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Now, now, Andreus Ixiris, I saw you indulging in a Ni-Kunni cardreading over FTL last night. We can't pick and choose our hokey-pokeyness, surely. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2042
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:30:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Now, now, Andreus Ixiris, I saw you indulging in a Ni-Kunni cardreading over FTL last night. We can't pick and choose our hokey-pokeyness, surely. Seri, has something happened to you lately? You used to be better than this.
Just because I don't believe in something, doesn't mean I can't enjoy the trappings of it. I don't believe in the Amarrian religion, but I can still enjoy reading Cathedral of the Oceans. I don't believe the holoreel Smash 4 The State depicts real events, but I can still find it an entertaining and well-directed movie. I'm not like some of those strange and frankly slightly disturbing otherkin who believe that they're actually wereslavers, but I absolutely love playing The Horror of Bogelek - I bought a Leisure Group lifetime subscription just so I could have access to that game and all the DLC wherever I am in the cluster.
I don't actually believe that a set of playing cards has any sort of genuine ability to foretell my future, or else I'd be doing a reading every ten minutes and winning the Empyrean War by myself. Fact is, it was an interesting experience, and the Theology Council considers divination to be heretical, so it was even more fun because of that. Mane 614
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
413
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:56:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:It is the Theology Council that are the racists. Not True Believers, such as I.
For it is Written, that All are Equal in God's Kingdom.
Which the Council deny. And yet the Minmatar somehow owe a "debt" to the empire that attempted a full-scale genocide against them, for "services rendered" that they never requested? Pull the other one. You can call yourself a "True Believer" if you want, but the simple fact is that you're just as wrong as the Theology Council because both your religions are fiction.
I thought genocide generally implies eradicating whole populations. How can someone reclaim someone else by killing him ? Isn't that something closer to what the EoM believe in usually ? |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2042
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Posted - 2013.02.16 14:10:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:I thought genocide generally implies eradicating whole populations. How can someone reclaim someone else by killing him ? Isn't that something closer to what the EoM believe in usually ? CONCORD's definition of genocide is "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
While the Empire admittedly only attempted the physical destruction of one Minmatar tribe out of seven (and, until recently, had apparently succeeded in this endeavour), it did attempt the destruction of Minmatar culture and religion and the replacement of same with its own. Regretably, it did manage to destroy a great deal of the physical and oral histories of the various tribes. Mane 614
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Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
279
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Posted - 2013.02.16 16:02:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Joke around if you want. I don't really have the time to bicker with racist genocide apologists such as yourself, but Verin had an exceptionally clear and concise argument for why we believe what we believe.
I'd like to see his facts. As far as I remember, Noir wasn't a pod pilot and, as such, shouldn't have a clone of any kind. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Initiate Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |

Wei Soikutsu
Soikutsu Optics LLC
27
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Posted - 2013.02.16 16:16:00 -
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I'm not sure whether I'd believe such a theory.
That aside, a capsule is a logical place to install a transcranial burning scanner, and a capsuleer a sufficiently high-value person to have one -- but cloning technology is in no way limited to capsuleers only. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2042
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Posted - 2013.02.16 16:44:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:I'd like to see his facts. As far as I remember, Noir wasn't a pod pilot and, as such, shouldn't have a clone of any kind. Alexander Noir was a pod pilot, and even if he wasn't, clones are not restricted to capsuleers in any case. You'll have to ask Verin for the explanation, because he gives it a lot better than me. However, the executive summary is essentially that the official account of events generally accepted by the public requires us to toss everything the entire cluster knows about psychology and history right out of the window if it's true. Mane 614
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Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Corporation
99
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Posted - 2013.02.16 17:02:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:[ I thought that admiral was called rogue by the Navy after the incident ?
This is true, the Federation effectively washed their hands of Noir when he did what he did, the fact remains however that the Caldari people were outraged by this and saw it was a racially motivated attack. In the aftermath, Caldari Prime burned with riots and the State reacted in retaliation by invading. Pilot Andreus has made it clear he doesn't care what anyone outside the Federation think in any case.
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Who was flying it ? Clone impostor. As to who precisely the impostor was, we may never know, but whoever was inside Noir's body, it wasn't Noir.
and you persecute the religious for 'fantasies'? very mature. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2042
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Posted - 2013.02.16 17:06:00 -
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Simon Louvaki wrote:and you persecute the religious for 'fantasies'? very mature. It's not a fantasy when one can provide evidence to back it up. Like I said, Verin explains it a lot better than me so you could go and ask him, but given your attitude I wouldn't be at all surprised if he told you to screw off. Mane 614
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Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Corporation
99
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Posted - 2013.02.16 17:13:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Simon Louvaki wrote:and you persecute the religious for 'fantasies'? very mature. It's not a fantasy when one can provide evidence to back it up. Like I said, Verin explains it a lot better than me so you could go and ask him, but given your attitude I wouldn't be at all surprised if he told you to screw off.
I think I get an sadistic amount of enjoyment out of watching you preach about 'attitude'. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2042
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Posted - 2013.02.16 17:45:00 -
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Simon Louvaki wrote:I think I get an sadistic amount of enjoyment out of watching you preach about 'attitude'. Which is one of the problems with your attitude. Mane 614
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Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Corporation
99
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:00:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Simon Louvaki wrote:I think I get an sadistic amount of enjoyment out of watching you preach about 'attitude'. Which is one of the problems with your attitude.
I inspire to be as witty as you one day Andreus. Maybe one day.... The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2043
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:37:00 -
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Simon Louvaki wrote:I inspire to be as witty as you one day Andreus. Maybe one day.... You might try working that massive stick out of your behind. Mane 614
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