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J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.15 19:00:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:Can I ask why we have falloff I do not understand how in space you get falloff. You would either hit, or if you tracking was bad , miss. The projectiles or laser beams would keep on going until they hit something. Especially light, it does not bend except under extreme gravity like a black hole or is reflected. So why have CCP put it in the game. What am I missing, because based on the laws as we know them space combat would not work as it does in this game so there must be some game play reason they have done it.
Earch to Miss Spent...EVE is a game, not real space. It's just pixels on your monitor, rendered by a server that CCP let you play on.
Seriously, if you don't know what falloff is, search for EVE's weapon mechanics, got a great graph there that will show it to you.
Or you could of course set auto-pilot to any hostile null-sec system and let other players show it too you. |
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Posted - 2013.02.15 20:31:00 -
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Davith en Divalone wrote:J'Poll wrote: EVE is in space, how come we hear engine sounds from the outside of the ships. Space is a vacuum and in vacuum there is no sound (in before: EVE has sound?)
Explained as a translation of electromagnetic data as part of the pod interface. Which is also a good way to explain away why space is very colorful, and not to scale.
Which again means...this isn't real space.... |
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:56:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Why the planets don't move?
Why can we sit motionless above a planet and not be sucked in by gravity? Why can we bounce harmlessly off a moon/planet/sun...
Why can't I pull in an asteroid with a tractor beam?
Why is there a max speed? Why does our ship slow down when we turn off afterburner?
Why do we hear sounds of other ships?
Why are out "camera drones" not destroyed when our ship goes boom? How about we create the whole ship out of whatever that camera that is showing us the outside of our ship is made out of?
Why does autopilot warp to 5K off gate?
why, why, why....
Because it is a game!
AP is 15k not 5... |
J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.16 09:21:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:J'Poll wrote:
Earch to Miss Spent...EVE is a game, not real space. It's just pixels on your monitor, rendered by a server that CCP let you play on.
Seriously, if you don't know what falloff is, search for EVE's weapon mechanics, got a great graph there that will show it to you.
Or you could of course set auto-pilot to any hostile null-sec system and let other players show it too you.
And if this really bothers you...
EVE is in space, how come we hear engine sounds from the outside of the ships. Space is a vacuum and in vacuum there is no sound (in before: EVE has sound?)
EVE is in space, vacuum means no friction, how do we stop our ships.
EVE is in space, vaccum means no friction, so bumping into something should make it move it away and should move you at the same speed the opposite way (2nd law of Newton: To every action, there is always an opposed and equal reaction).
How come we can fly through the sun and planets.
How come the planets etc. don't orbit their parent celestial.
Can continue the endless list.
How is it that some in this thread can answer my question seriously and yet someone who professes to be, J'Poll wrote:New player friendly pilot here. So if you have questions just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy and ask away Answers me in a snippy derogatory way? I have read many posts by you and you seem anything but New player friendly. You seem to like the sound of your on voice and are snippy at best. If you want to help new players I applaud you, but please do not do it sounding like a petulant child. I asked a perfectly valid question and expressed my confusion, You could have taken a little time to answer it in a more adult way as others have try to do.
This made me laugh hard. Please stop doing that, it hurts.
Any sane person knows that I do help new players with QUESTIONS. You are however not asking a question. You are complaining that EVE isnt 100% realistic. And even then almost all post you either disagree with or ***** at are explaining to you what falloff is.
So either:
* You are very cocky and ignorant amd fail to take advice. * You are a decent troll making lots of people bite. 8/10 * You are the whining little teenager that other MMOs have plenty of.
Also, ask around here and plenty of people will agree that I am new player friendly. But that is only to mew players who ask real questions and not some disguised whine thread and who are open minded to take advice.
If you think I waa blunt and snappy. I wish you the best of luck in EVE.... |
J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.16 09:26:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:I truly get that this is a space GAME and some sort of reality need to be suspended but I think some of you are missing what I am driving at.
I think of falloff as like, if I was to throw a rock really hard for a while it would travel strait, it then starts to run out of energy and begin to fall, eventually it travels to a point of no return and gravity ends its forward momentum. In a space game where there is supposed to be no gravity then if I was to be in my space suit with the same rock I chuck it and it would just keep on going till it hit something. I am not talking about accuracy of tracking simply that the projectile would not stop or become less accurate on its course.
Please try to be respectful in your answers, some in this thread really shouldn't be.
You do know that most of the mechanics in EVE are based on liquids. So its more of a submarine game then a space game. Because with space mechanics this would be a very boring game.
But likely yoi dont care about that and will still complain that ot isnt 100% realistic.
Edit;
Here. After 3 seconds of Google for you
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Turret_damage |
J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.16 11:19:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:I did read many of your posts and you are one of the worst "helpers" I have ever seen. You are a troll be-gone from my life.
Lol.
YOur posts show you are just another WoW person who came to EVE and doesn't really get the game and whines about it.
And if you think I'm the worst helper in EVE. Why do people like (not the forum button type) my help a lot and very very often thank me for it. *show me threads where my help is wrong...please do...good luck with finding it*
If someone is saying stuff you don't like personally, that doesn't make it bad advice. |
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:01:00 -
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Quote:Can I ask why we have falloff I do not understand how in space you get falloff. You would either hit, or if you tracking was bad , miss. The projectiles or laser beams would keep on going until they hit something. Especially light, it does not bend except under extreme gravity like a black hole or is reflected. So why have CCP put it in the game.
It's a mixture of
* A question: What is falloff? * A whine: I don't understand, so why is it in the game.
Then people started to explain what falloff is, yet you kept complaining it's not according to real physics (which again is whining). Name any game that is build 100% according to real life physics. |
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:19:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:J'Poll wrote:Quote:Can I ask why we have falloff I do not understand how in space you get falloff. You would either hit, or if you tracking was bad , miss. The projectiles or laser beams would keep on going until they hit something. Especially light, it does not bend except under extreme gravity like a black hole or is reflected. So why have CCP put it in the game. It's a mixture of * A question: What is falloff? * A whine: I don't understand, so why is it in the game. Then people started to explain what falloff is, yet you kept complaining it's not according to real physics (which again is whining). Name any game that is build 100% according to real life physics. Since when is "I do not understand" a whine? Never. I DID NOT keep complaining. I offered a counter argument. You are a troll and have been reported as such. Stop posting.
Let me see:
Post 4 = whine why falloff is even in game.
Post 5 = whine that visuals don't matter. If you play EVE on your overview, you are doing it wrong. 3D really matters.
Post 35 = again whining why CCP made falloff in game.
And of course basically you are ignoring or classing all the people who give solid advice on yoru thread and many others as trolls
I think you will get very far in EVE (and this line should be taken with a bucket full of sarcasm). |
J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:32:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:J'Poll wrote:Post 4 = whine why falloff is even in game. Post 5 = whine that visuals don't matter. If you play EVE on your overview, you are doing it wrong. 3D really matters. Post 35 = again whining why CCP made falloff in game. And of course basically you are ignoring or classing all the people who give solid advice on yoru thread and many others as trolls I think you will get very far in EVE (and this line should be taken with a bucket full of sarcasm). Let me see. English is not your first language so you fail to understand what a whine is and what is discussion and query. Only two have trolled in this post and you are one of them. I have not got into any disputes with anyone else. Now, Crazy Dutch Guy, on yer bike! Yet you started it.
In my first post here I just gave you a short list of other things that are incorrect according to reality. But this isn't reality, it's a game and games tend to alter stuff so that it suits better in the game. So falloff, look up what it does and just agree that CCP implemented it cause they needed it for the sake of a good game.
No instead you started bitching about trolling, and if you want real trolling...I can give you it, but given that I just got released again by CCP I'm playing nice.
But none of my post are trolling post....at least not intended or even close to it IMO
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J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:48:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:J'Poll wrote:Miss Spent Youth wrote:J'Poll wrote:Post 4 = whine why falloff is even in game. Post 5 = whine that visuals don't matter. If you play EVE on your overview, you are doing it wrong. 3D really matters. Post 35 = again whining why CCP made falloff in game. And of course basically you are ignoring or classing all the people who give solid advice on yoru thread and many others as trolls I think you will get very far in EVE (and this line should be taken with a bucket full of sarcasm). Let me see. English is not your first language so you fail to understand what a whine is and what is discussion and query. Only two have trolled in this post and you are one of them. I have not got into any disputes with anyone else. Now, Crazy Dutch Guy, on yer bike! Yet you started it. In my first post here I just gave you a short list of other things that are incorrect according to reality. But this isn't reality, it's a game and games tend to alter stuff so that it suits better in the game. So falloff, look up what it does and just agree that CCP implemented it cause they needed it for the sake of a good game. No instead you started bitching about trolling, and if you want real trolling...I can give you it, but given that I just got released again by CCP I'm playing nice. But none of my post are trolling post....at least not intended or even close to it IMO You sir, are truly a moron. Bye.
And you do know that personal attacks get you banned
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J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.16 15:21:00 -
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Okay...as you are wondering why falloff exist.
Let's say that EVE is like your idea (bullets go on indefinately, hit/miss chance is only based on tracking).
You are in space.
I orbit you at 500 km (about max default grid size).
Cause my orbit is 500 km this means 1 orbit cycle is 2*radius*pi = 1000*3.14 = 31400 km
Now way my speed is 500 m/s
This means that 1 orbit cycle takes me 31.400 / 0.5 = 62.800 seconds.
Now let's translate that too an angular velocity.
1 orbit cycle is 2*pi radians. 2*pi = 6.28
6.28 / 62.800 second = 0.0001 rad / sec.
So any gun in EVE will just hit you if there is nothing to limit the range of guns/ammo.
Basically, falloff and optimal are just a range limiters for the guns. And buy having 2 separate parameters it means you can build a lot more different possibilities and still have them balanced to each other. |
J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.16 19:05:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:J'Poll wrote:So any gun in EVE will just hit you if there is nothing to limit the range of guns/ammo. No, because the ship is not stabilized, it bobs up and down with the wind, and it's really hard to stabilize a platform so the aiming dot doesn't shake at long distances. Aiming and hitting things are complicated. The game approximates this with accuracy falloff and tracking. It's not bullet falloff, it's accuracy falloff, as in, if you were to plot the accuracy on a graph the line would fall off the page. It's a game, a simulation that approximates reality.
I was talking about shooting in space. So no wind etc. |
J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.16 19:13:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:J'Poll wrote:Okay...as you are wondering why falloff exist.
Let's say that EVE is like your idea (bullets go on indefinately, hit/miss chance is only based on tracking).
You are in space.
I orbit you at 500 km (about max default grid size).
Cause my orbit is 500 km this means 1 orbit cycle is 2*radius*pi = 1000*3.14 = 31400 km
Now say my speed is 500 m/s
This means that 1 orbit cycle takes me 31.400 / 0.5 = 62.800 seconds.
Now let's translate that too an angular velocity.
1 orbit cycle is 2*pi radians. 2*pi = 6.28
6.28 / 62.800 second = 0.0001 rad / sec.
So any gun in EVE will just hit you if there is nothing to limit the range of guns/ammo.
Basically, falloff and optimal are just a range limiters for the guns. And buy having 2 separate parameters it means you can build a lot more different possibilities and still have them balanced to each other.
EDIT:
And of course because having fleet fights where people will just sit on the edge of grid from each other isn't what normal people playing EVE call exiting. Thank you Why could you have not put this at the start I will never understand. *shakes head*
Why not as my first post. Because this is easily found with 1 google search about falloff. |
J'Poll
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Posted - 2013.02.16 21:59:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Miss Spent Youth wrote:
English is not your first language so you fail to understand what a whine is and what is discussion and query.
Only two have trolled in this post and you are one of them. I have not got into any disputes with anyone else.
Now, Crazy Dutch Guy, on yer bike!
Really? Desperately trying to insult someone based on their nationality in a game enjoyed by many around the world... The only person you've succeeded in insulting is yourself m8. gj... Click his name and look at his Bio. I was not being racist. the phrase "on yer bike" is a British term for someone to go away as is "sling your hook" He is a "Crazy Dutch guy" and they like cycling alot in the Netherlands I put those things together to make a joke. I am not racist. ref: "On your bike! Slang. Get lost. Short, according to Bernard Levin in 'The Times' (London), for 'It would be better for you if you get on your bike promptly and pedal fast.'" British English A to Zed by Norman W. Schur: Citation needed: GÇÿSling your hookGÇÖ is polite way of telling someone to go away. This term has a nautical origin. GÇÿHookGÇÖ was a name given to the shipGÇÖs anchor, and the GÇÖslingGÇÖ was the cradle that housed the anchor. Therefore, to GÇÿsling your hookGÇÖ meant to lift anchor, stow it and sail away. Every Dutch shed keeps at least a dozen bicyclesThere are more bicycles than people in the Netherlands. For short distances people prefer biking over driving and waking.. Dutch also take pride in decorating their bikes. Every morning thousands of Dutch school kids will take their bikes an ride a distances up to 20km to get to school. Every season, rain or shine, summer or winter Dutch are seen on their bikes. There is probably nowhere else you will see many women in elegant dresses or skirts pedalling on their bikes
No offense taken. I have a thick skin and heard worse remarks about our glorious Dutch.
And I was never trolling. In my first post i just made clear there are a lot more things which arent realistic and that it doesnt have to be because this is a game.
And on the first page (well before I posted) you do disagree with the replies in the way you dont see how that falloff should be in game, without understanding what something is and dies how can you say that it isnt needed.
To most this just comes acros as a new player whining about something he does understand. |
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Posted - 2013.02.16 22:47:00 -
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Miss Spent Youth wrote:J'Poll wrote: No offense taken. I have a thick skin and heard worse remarks about our glorious Dutch.
And I was never trolling. In my first post i just made clear there are a lot more things which arent realistic and that it doesnt have to be because this is a game.
And on the first page (well before I posted) you do disagree with the replies in the way you dont see how that falloff should be in game, without understanding what something is and dies how can you say that it isnt needed.
To most this just comes acros as a new player whining about something he does understand.
Listen, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I think you are wrong and a troll you think I have committed some crime against the game and are a whiner. /enough already. ...and for the record, you should not even remotely think I was being racist and taking my remark as being anything other than a friendly poke at the Dutch stereotype. I love the Netherlands and have booked on a cycling trip to Assen in Drenthe for this year.
I"m fine by that.
And actually are quite a fan myself to use Dutch stereotypes myself. The only times I hate being a Dutch guy is when I hear some other Dutch pilots try to talk English on comms.
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You will love that cycling tour you booked. |
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