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SengH
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:47:00 -
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Hi, I'd like to foremostly say that this is a personal inquiry and does not reflect any official position of my alliance. I would like to ask about the actions of ushra khan on sunday reguarding the M-M fiasco. It seems that Ushra Khan has become enrivaled in the current conflict in Great Wildlands between -V- and the remmnants of Foundation that remain in the area. Taken off the Ushra Khan forums when inquired by a 5 diplomat.
" Our presence in the Great Wildlands is to sa***uard Thukker space against those who wish to claim it. -V- have made it clear that they consider the entire region to be their territory, and went so far as to threaten several of our pilots. "
The thukker tribe has seen fit recently to distance itself from the minmatar republic, currently putting them as -2 standings, on the same level as the Caldari state. As Ushra Khan is affiliated with the minmatar republic, would that not mean that ushra khan has no claim to "defending the region against who would claim it" as the thukker tribe has "broken away" from the minmatar republic and is now its separate entity?"
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:56:00 -
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I think this is best kept between discussions of our superiors and I would reccomend that action. However, we are not affiliated with the Minmatar Republic.
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:57:00 -
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I think i heard somsone on a news report say it was something about allowing free open access to the great wildlands as it was matari territory even though the Thukkers weren't in the Republics good books . Far as I remember, foundation allowed 'em access where as these Veritas bunch didna so they joined forces against people who've denied 'em access to their "ancient hunting grounds" or sommit like that.
Mind you, that might have been a chat show rather than a news holo. *shrugs*
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Ugleb
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:59:00 -
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The Ushra'Khan was formed out of several independent paramilitary groups who were disaffected by the Republic's policies. The Minmatar Republic, under the leadership of Karin Midular, takes a weak stance on the matter of galactic slavery and lacks the will to fight for our brethren still enslaved by the Amarr. Because of this woeful state of affairs the Ushra'Khan operates independently of the Republic to fight for the freedom of all matari, not just those born inside the Republic.
The Thukker Tribe is the single largest group of matari outside of the Republic save for the Ammatar. The Thukker homelands are being encroached upon and the Ushra'Khan has an obligation to preserve their freedom.
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Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2005.07.26 16:47:00 -
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As has been stated, it is a delicate diplomatic issue best handled by our Council representatives. Because of our nature as an alliance with a very diverse set of corporate members with very fervent beliefs, you are likely to get a number of subtly but significantly different answers.
The Thukkers are Minmatar, as are those that serve the Republic. We may have disagreements with some of their positions, but in the end, the bonds forged from oppression with the Minmatar leadership in our alliance are stronger than any other relations.
As for the Wildlands, it has been the Ushra'khan's position for some time that the Wildlands should be kept free for those pilots supportive of the Minmatar. We have tried to stay neutral to the conflicts in the region, but my understanding is recent events concerning -V- have created diplomatic pressures that have made that difficult.
In my personal judgment, most of our moderates have no qualms with 5, but your support of -V-'s attempts to close the region create strife. Most believe that the conflict is regrettable and would like to see the region as a place where those who respect freedom can travel freely and create a region true to the Minmatar ways, which arguably has been denied by the Republic's pandering to the enslavers.
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Mak'lor Duab
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Posted - 2005.07.27 10:34:00 -
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Excellent statement Witch Doctor, I'm glad to see the Ushra'Khan taking a stance, but I'm afraid that our noble fighters of freedom might indeed turn into another power hungry alliance in 0.0 space. Can you expand further on this. Where are your councillors and leaders, we deserve answers!
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.07.27 10:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Mak'lor Duab
I'm afraid that our noble fighters of freedom might indeed turn into another power hungry alliance in 0.0 space.
you want an answer from our council members, so I won't bother you with my private points of vue too long - just want to let you know that this is exactly the opposite of the way we see the Great Wildlands, and is one of our primary concerns at the moment. We fight for freedom, not for greed or power !
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Mak'lor Duab
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:51:00 -
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So, assuming that what I asked is opposite of what you are trying to achieve, but didn't one of your guys say that they will only let those that are 'loyal' to the cause of freedom or republic or minmatar freedom whatever you want to call it, so that means that what only those in your "Freedom Fighting" corporations will be allowed in or only minmatar? or ... You brought this subject up and now you need to show your position. 
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:59:00 -
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No we didnt. However, I believe the council is formulating an official statement to clear up any misunderstandings about our presence in GW with the pod pilot community.
Never question that we operate for our peoples freedom. It is the only reason the 'Khan exists.
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Mak'lor Duab
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mak''lor Duab on 27/07/2005 16:07:35
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As for the Wildlands, it has been the Ushra'khan's position for some time that the Wildlands should be kept free for those pilots supportive of the Minmatar.
I think you'll find you did, I didn't question your loyalty, just didnt want you to get arsey (Like you did) about what you define as Freedom Fighting.
Glad to hear they are working on it,
Khal chill out damnit dude. 
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:19:00 -
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Fighting slavery, and seeing the horrors it inflicts, does this to me. No offence was mean't brother.
I thrive on the fire.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:53:00 -
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Mak'lor, all I can say is that there will be a lot of inconsistencies in what we as individual pilots say. It is difficult to state clearly our intentions, and we would prefer to let the Council speak as our one voice. Because it is a delicate position to articulate, our Council requires some time for deliberation.
Speaking as a former Council member, we are not accustomed to holding such a nuanced position that is likely to shift. There is a simplicity in the bright, raging fire that is our main cause, namely the freedom of all from the oppression of slavery. "Free the slaves, or we will burn all you own" is a clear and easy position behind which we are all united. Our interests in GW have more to do with our dreams for the Minmatar people, and that is as varied and diverse as our pilot base.
I can only say that our cause will always be the end of slavery, and that by default must keep our involvement rooted in empire space. Unless the Amarr Empire is beaten, it is unlikely that we would solely devote our attention to conquering 0.0. That is not to say that we will not show resolve in carrying through with our intentions.
I can only suggest patience in waiting for an official announcement.
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zoolkhan
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mak'lor Duab
but I'm afraid that our noble fighters of freedom might indeed turn into another power hungry alliance in 0.0 space.
This is bu11sh17. And those who trusted us so far know they can still trust us.
I understand this worry, but of course only history can really prove our honourable
intentions. Remember my word after a while -> bu11sh17
In fact V attacked us (in particular myself) prior our NAP with foundation.
This attack was then unprovoked. Now we shoot back, and people
start thinking we want to claim the area all of a sudden -
as if we couldnt have done that ages ago if we really wanted.
Whats wrong with you?
"We come for our people." Thats the message. That is the entire truth.
Perhaps, one day we will even be able to stabilize the region as a side effect
but the day when we "lock down" GW against our own people,
will be the day when i leave the alliance.
</personal statement>
regards, v.Adm. ZoolKhan;
W're Ushra'Khan - we come for our people!
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.07.28 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
This is bu11sh17
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Pretender.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.07.28 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
I understand this worry, but of course only history can really prove our honourable intentions.
I am not talking about the whole Ushra'Khan. I am not talking about current corporations in Ushra'Khan. But if you are talking about history can prove your honorable intentions then I must think about Oracle (and People's Front of Minmatar?) who currently operate under the name Masuat'aa Matari but once were members of CA. The Curse Alliance wasn't famous for being peaceful neighbours.
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zoolkhan
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Posted - 2005.07.28 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 28/07/2005 08:30:16
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I must think about Oracle (and People's Front of Minmatar?) who currently operate under the name Masuat'aa Matari but once were members of CA. The Curse Alliance wasn't famous for being peaceful neighbours.
Very true. but dont forget the majority of this alliance are former victims of
the CA of the old days. Yet we call em brothers and fly with them side by side.
We allow them to change, we assume their change. We are brothers now.
If we can forget the past and rely on former oracle pilots - why cant you?
(only few of them are alive btw, many died in battle and are missing in action)
I dont ask you to close your eyes, but i ask you to leave us alone as long your
worries are not confirmed.
Start your witch hunt when youve got a reason. Not already now.
I would fly to hell and back for my masuat'aa friends.
regards, v.Adm. ZoolKhan;
W're Ushra'Khan - we come for our people!
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2005.07.28 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
I dont ask you to close your eyes, but i ask you to leave us alone as long your worries are not confirmed.
Start your witch hunt when youve got a reason. Not already now.
Unfortunately amarr tend to extend their worries and interests far beyond their own business, and reasons they find in every bush's shadow just as they need them.
Bliss I would call it if there ever comes a day they stick to their "own" business and stop mingling with other peoples affairs.
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Mak'lor Duab
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Posted - 2005.07.28 09:32:00 -
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Quote:
people start thinking we want to claim the area all of a sudden -
Why shouldn't we be sceptical about your organisation?
We are about others, what makes yours so different just because you fight for freedom, doesn't mean we can trust you, history proves nothing.
Don't think I'm againts your cause because I'm not, but I just like to poke around and find out how people feel about these situations.
Because how YOU feel zoolkhan and what all your loyal fighters feel, Is what I want to hear, not the statement from your council members, because it will be a thought out planned piece of writing which never really gives much away. My methods may P!$$ you off, but they do get what I want to hear. 
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.07.28 09:54:00 -
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And what do you stand for Maklub?
It is not our cause, it is our peoples cause. Do you care about your people? Alot of pilots claim to be sympathetic, but without action, it is just a word to assuage their guilt at doing nothing for their own.
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Mak'lor Duab
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:52:00 -
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No I do not support your cause, but then I don't condone it. It is a Noble quest but not to my taste. I do not lie about my position and where I am, And I do not tell people where theirs is.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:54:00 -
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So you stand nowhere and safe.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Mak'lor Duab
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:05:00 -
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No I stand by myself for myself, where ever that may take me.
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"Me? I want what is coming to me." "Whats coming to you?" "The Universe and everything in it."
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mak'lor Duab
No I stand by myself for myself, where ever that may take me.
That sounds awfully lonely.
I know that without my family, without my clan, without my tribe, without my brothers in arms, I would be diminished.
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Ugleb
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mak'lor Duab
Quote:
people start thinking we want to claim the area all of a sudden -
Why shouldn't we be sceptical about your organisation?
We are about others, what makes yours so different just because you fight for freedom, doesn't mean we can trust you, history proves nothing.
And how would you judge us, if not by our actions? Surely what we have done is the only true measure of who we are? In the end, what else matters? You seem quick to condemn and reluctant to praise, and as far as I can see you have no interes in the future of the Great Wildlands. Strange.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:10:00 -
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ôA number of parties have made enquires regarding our intentions in the Great Wildlands region. Thus follows a statement on behalf of the UÆK council. There will be no questions taken after the announcement.
The Great Wildlands (GW) belongs to the Thukker Tribe, and we recognise no other claims to sovereignty over the region. The UshraÆKhan make no claims of ownership to any region of space.
Traditionally, GW is used as a testing ground for Minmatar pilots, and by extension this welcome is granted to all those to take up arms against those who practice slavery. The Foundation alliance consists of corporations who have lived in GW for many years, and whom respect the Thukker Tribe and the traditions of their territory. The UshraÆKhan respects The Foundations' ideals of bringing peace to the region through its stewardship. Thus we have recently renewed our long standing NAP with The Foundation.
Whilst UÆK pilots were peacefully travelling in the GW region, some members of the Veritas Immortalis alliance initiated hostilities. In response, UÆK pilots have over the last few weeks begun to fly joint operations with The Foundation pilots to combat the hostilities of -V-.
Many UÆK pilots have a long standing friendship with M. Corp, a member of The Five alliance. [5] are backing ûV- in their campaign of violence in the GW region. Unfortunately this is placing a strain on our relations with M. Corp, but if hostilities continue then we will not hesitate to fire upon their pilots in our defence of The Great Wildlands."
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Mak'lor Duab
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:15:00 -
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Wonderful, I'm not lonely... Well a little 
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mak'lor Duab
No I stand by myself for myself, where ever that may take me.
Very.. uncommittal. You still did not answer my question. You stand by yourself? So you stand wherever you feel like it at the time?
I will remember to ignore your questions next time they are asked.
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Mak'lor Duab
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:09:00 -
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No I don't take sides, you may think that I am a coward, but in all honesty I couldnt give a flying duck, Yes I stand where I like when I like, I am only bound my ties with my friends and my family. I have enough problems of my own to worry about others. Maybe you got me wrong, I do not support slavery, but I will not fight for it or over it. Ignore my questions if you want. I am not botherd. I simply questioned your faith, If you don't question faith then it becomes solid, you need flexability in faith, and thats where the Amarrians have failed and YOU people of Matar have succeded, therefore In my eye's we have already won. Yes there are slaves to be freed and people to be brought to Justice but there are other means.
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Mak'lor Duab
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Posted - 2005.07.29 06:40:00 -
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Ouch
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Makkar
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Posted - 2005.07.29 07:13:00 -
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Tum tee tum...
U'K are involved in the longest running pod pilot conflict in EVE.
U'K lose ships.
U'K need to replace ships.
U'K (lately) go to GW to earn the isk to do this.
U'K is fairly fracking unlikely to try and stop anyone else doing the same - it's not what U'K's about.
U'K is normally fairly well disposed to anyone that comes to it in peace
U'K, like anyone else, reserves the right to respond to any threat to it's forces in the area.
U'K may well take the view that an increase in the number of paramilitaries in the area that have, shall we say, less discriminating rules of engagement, as being impolite at best, and at worst, a threat to U'K operations in the area.
Does anyone (that isn't trying to lay false claim to Thukker space, or closely affiliated with someone who is) still think U'K is being unreasonable or dishonourable?
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