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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
227
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:37:00 -
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I warned the fool and he did not listen. We would rather have this happen than allow the fool to remain in our ranks.
So really perhaps we should thank you.
But we won't. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
443
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:40:00 -
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Hah, it looks like Vitalia got the last laugh. Too bad she didn't appreciate von Khan's poetry or he might have gotten away with it. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Knoot Enderas
Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
23
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:44:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:And this whole little thing proves MY point,
that you all are still as easy to manipulate as small children.
My will causing your actions. Sabik principles made manifest.
I say a few words to one of yours, he follows like a dog.
I say another few words, and PIE jumps like 1st year cadets to do my bidding and have him removed.
Spin it any way you like, but everyone else has seen how easily you all are moved like pieces on a board game.
Your principles are those of a troll. Textbook stuff. Spreading inflammatory statements with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response, then attempting to keep things going for as long as possible. I suppose the only reason why the Praetoria are not collectively ignoring this topic altogether, is the fact that almost nobody appears to sympathise with you, making any PR-damage negligible.
When this topic dies down, as it eventually must, the pious capsuleers will think you an untrustworthy harlot and a witch. The rest will merely think you a tease who doesn't put out. |

Jev North
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
168
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Posted - 2013.02.18 23:37:00 -
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Only when this topic dies down..?
Well, it's good to know that you're catching on to what Silas has been saying and doing for the last year or two, at least.
Tell me one thing, though - in your book, not putting out is a negative quality? |

Brother Ludwigus
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16
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Posted - 2013.02.19 00:07:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:And this whole little thing proves MY point,
that you all are still as easy to manipulate as small children.
My will causing your actions. Sabik principles made manifest.
I say a few words to one of yours, he follows like a dog.
I say another few words, and PIE jumps like 1st year cadets to do my bidding and have him removed.
Spin it any way you like, but everyone else has seen how easily you all are moved like pieces on a board game.
I'm sure in your head where you are the exact centre of the entire cluster that made perfect sense.
Jev North wrote: Tell me one thing, though - in your book, not putting out is a negative quality?
It is when you're a tease. Soli Deo gloria. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1466
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Posted - 2013.02.19 00:40:00 -
[66] - Quote
Brother Ludwigus wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:And this whole little thing proves MY point,
that you all are still as easy to manipulate as small children.
My will causing your actions. Sabik principles made manifest.
I say a few words to one of yours, he follows like a dog.
I say another few words, and PIE jumps like 1st year cadets to do my bidding and have him removed.
Spin it any way you like, but everyone else has seen how easily you all are moved like pieces on a board game.
I'm sure in your head where you are the exact centre of the entire cluster that made perfect sense. Jev North wrote: Tell me one thing, though - in your book, not putting out is a negative quality?
It is when you're a tease.
Good to know that PIE pilots are pigs. |

Brother Ludwigus
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16
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Posted - 2013.02.19 00:50:00 -
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Knoot Enderas wrote:The rest will merely think you a tease who doesn't put out.
Jev North wrote:in your book, not putting out is a negative quality?
Maybe now that I've extracted the relevant quotes you can see the context, Mr. Thessalonia. I do happen to think that not "putting out" is a very negative quality in one who makes it seem they will. Harlotry not followed through on is as bad at least as straight up harlotry. Does that make me a pig? Soli Deo gloria. |

Halete
Alexylva Paradox
667
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Posted - 2013.02.19 00:52:00 -
[68] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Good to know that PIE pilots are pigs.
Ugh, tell me about it. Those comments made me want to take a decon shower.
Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |

Vlad Cetes
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
19
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Posted - 2013.02.19 01:32:00 -
[69] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Brother Ludwigus wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:And this whole little thing proves MY point,
that you all are still as easy to manipulate as small children.
My will causing your actions. Sabik principles made manifest.
I say a few words to one of yours, he follows like a dog.
I say another few words, and PIE jumps like 1st year cadets to do my bidding and have him removed.
Spin it any way you like, but everyone else has seen how easily you all are moved like pieces on a board game.
I'm sure in your head where you are the exact centre of the entire cluster that made perfect sense. Jev North wrote: Tell me one thing, though - in your book, not putting out is a negative quality?
It is when you're a tease. Good to know that PIE pilots are pigs.
Good, then I procure bacon from their corpses. I understand humans absolutely love bacon.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1466
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Posted - 2013.02.19 01:33:00 -
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Brother Ludwigus wrote:Knoot Enderas wrote:The rest will merely think you a tease who doesn't put out. Jev North wrote:in your book, not putting out is a negative quality? Maybe now that I've extracted the relevant quotes you can see the context, Mr. Thessalonia. I do happen to think that not "putting out" is a very negative quality in one who makes it seem they will. Harlotry not followed through on is as bad at least as straight up harlotry. Does that make me a pig?
Very much so. Congratulations on being a cut rate misogynist. |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
78
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Posted - 2013.02.19 01:41:00 -
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Vlad Cetes wrote: Good, then I procure bacon from their corpses. I understand humans absolutely love bacon.
After what I've seen in some of the supposedly highest rated restaurants in New Eden, I can guarantee you there's a market for that. If you get the produce, I can get you a client within an hour. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |

Brother Ludwigus
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16
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Posted - 2013.02.19 01:44:00 -
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If not approving of Silas' disgusting display and the way she debased a promising young man's to the point of near madness mind makes me a misogynist then so be it. I guess the majority of the women I know are secretly men. Soli Deo gloria. |

Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
227
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:15:00 -
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You should stop speaking now Ludwigus. Just stop. |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
553
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:16:00 -
[74] - Quote
Stillness, I pray you.
There is no further profit to be had in this conversation. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1467
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Posted - 2013.02.19 12:14:00 -
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Brother Ludwigus wrote:If not approving of Silas' disgusting display and the way she debased a promising young man's to the point of near madness mind makes me a misogynist then so be it. I guess the majority of the women I know are secretly men.
Please continue.
PIE, you should be paying us heretics, heathens, and apostates for weeding out these awful examples from your ranks.
Edit: In fact, I am going to have to call you out further on this. I have seen the logs. There was never implied "harlotry". The closest that there has ever been in interactions between these two is that Silas once said "You have my interest".
In your mind does that immediately translate to "I want to sleep with you"?
I'm all ears, Ludwigus! |

Solarienne
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
63
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Posted - 2013.02.19 12:51:00 -
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Gotta love victim blaming.
Feeling safe from predation (sexual or otherwise) by rationalising the victims attributes, behaviour or dress is to blame, is a particularly sad way of deluding yourself.
Or in Ludwigus' case, a derivation of that; feeling that his actions, past, present or future, are justified because 'She asked for it' or 'Looked like she was interested' and his PUSH BUTTAN RECEIVE GENITALS logic some how didn't bear fruit.
Von Khan tried his luck, brave boy. With Silas, silly boy. Without testing the water first, suicidal boy. He's lucky he left in the same clone - I've heard of what Blooders do to people they had a lot less reason to act out against.
Still, I am all in favour of continued discussion, I rarely need reason to open fire on capsuleers (or anything for that matter) but people tend to frown less when you can say 'He/She was a confirmed bigot'. More for the list please. |

Gwen Ikiryo
Hoderi's Folly
40
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Posted - 2013.02.19 12:55:00 -
[77] - Quote
Brother Ludwigus wrote:Maybe now that I've extracted the relevant quotes you can see the context, Mr. Thessalonia. I do happen to think that not "putting out" is a very negative quality in one who makes it seem they will. Harlotry not followed through on is as bad at least as straight up harlotry. Does that make me a pig?
It saddens me immensely that while humanity has progressed to the point that we can travel past thousands of star systems in the space of a few hours, cure almost any medical condition in existance trivially (save for those of our own design, of course) and essentially rebuild ourselves entirely on a mental and physical level with relative safety to our own whims... That there are still people who believe that women are in some way obligated to sleep with men if they approach them in certain manners.
Not the reverse, of course, no doubt. I'm not sure which is worse - This notion, or the very fact that you still believe "Harlotry" (the shaming of women who express themself sexually in a similar manner to men) is a concept still of any cultural worth whatsoever.
And here I thought one of the Amarrian peoples greatest virtues was their public dignity and composure. It is rare that I find a comment on this board that actually upsets me, pilot, but you've managed it. |

Malcolm Khross
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
560
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Posted - 2013.02.19 13:31:00 -
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Do not fault them all for the folly of the individual (or the few in this case), Ikiryo.
While the comments of many in this thread are bile inducing and/or mockery warranting, the majority of the Amarr do not lack sense or composure in matters like these.
I imagine, if nothing else, PIE has a few things to look into and I have complete confidence they will do so. ~Malcolm Khross
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Gwen Ikiryo
Hoderi's Folly
41
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Posted - 2013.02.19 13:54:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Do not fault them all for the folly of the individual (or the few in this case), Ikiryo.
While the comments of many in this thread are bile inducing and/or mockery warranting, the majority of the Amarr do not lack sense or composure in matters like these.
I imagine, if nothing else, PIE has a few things to look into and I have complete confidence they will do so.
It was not my intention for it appear that I was, Khross-haan. I apologize if it seemed to be so.
...If anything, I made the remark to draw special attention to how tasteless the attitude was, considering the context of his peers, really. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1257
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:09:00 -
[80] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:And this whole little thing proves MY point,
that you all are still as easy to manipulate as small children.
My will causing your actions. Sabik principles made manifest.
And when have you done anything to me to bend to your will, other than bending over and laughing, holding my sides, at your ridiculous assertions?
Quote:I say a few words to one of yours, he follows like a dog.
I say another few words, and PIE jumps like 1st year cadets to do my bidding and have him removed.
Spin it any way you like, but everyone else has seen how easily you all are moved like pieces on a board game.
Try moving others and see whether the pieces move, or chop of the limb trying to touch them.
Stop with the attitude and flare, you're not Revan, though I can't tell which one of you is worse given both your gas giant sized ego's. And before you say this is none of my concern, you brought this to public, it's everyone's concern. You don't like it? Deal with, slag.
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Brother Ludwigus
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:19:00 -
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I have been instructed not to post further but I will gladly accept and am ready for any and all consequences that may come of making this post. But a man cannot stand by while he is being viscously slandered apropos of nothing and maintain his dignity.
Allow me to state explicitly and unambiguously the sequence of events which has just occurred over the course of the last handful of contributions of this thread for the skimmers among you who have me suddenly billed as a terrible person.
1. Knoot wrote a sentence. 2. Jev responded to a fraction of it. 3. I pointed out the qualifying part of said sentence. 4. A whole lot of people read into that things that were not there at all.
Now allow me to point out that I am not privy to logs. I am not even acquainted with the involved parties beyond the writings of one once-promising essayist. So I am not commenting on the particular event. I cannot believe she asked for it when I am not aware of the specifics. Nor am I condemning women for behaving in a similar manner to men in their sexual expression. Quite the opposite. Harlotry of the sort I object to occurs more frequently in men as they seem less able to exert self control, as von Khan has unfortunately become a tragically prominent example.
I pointed out to someone something they seem to have not read or to have misinterpreted.
"PUSH BUTTON RECEIVE GENITALS"? How dare you read such rot into my words where there is no such thing.
I have devoted my live to the Empress. Claiming that I "hate women" because my values do not agree with sexual promiscuity in general calls this into question and I cannot abide this sort of slander. Soli Deo gloria. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1468
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:27:00 -
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Brother Ludwigus wrote:I have been instructed not to post further but I will gladly accept and am ready for any and all consequences that may come of making this post. But a man cannot stand by while he is being viscously slandered apropos of nothing and maintain his dignity.
Allow me to state explicitly and unambiguously the sequence of events which has just occurred over the course of the last handful of contributions of this thread for the skimmers among you who have me suddenly billed as a terrible person.
1. Knoot wrote a sentence. 2. Jev responded to a fraction of it. 3. I pointed out the qualifying part of said sentence. 4. A whole lot of people read into that things that were not there at all.
Now allow me to point out that I am not privy to logs. I am not even acquainted with the involved parties beyond the writings of one once-promising essayist. So I am not commenting on the particular event. I cannot believe she asked for it when I am not aware of the specifics. Nor am I condemning women for behaving in a similar manner to men in their sexual expression. Quite the opposite. Harlotry of the sort I object to occurs more frequently in men as they seem less able to exert self control, as von Khan has unfortunately become a tragically prominent example.
I pointed out to someone something they seem to have not read or to have misinterpreted.
"PUSH BUTTON RECEIVE GENITALS"? How dare you read such rot into my words where there is no such thing.
I have devoted my live to the Empress. Claiming that I "hate women" because my values do not agree with sexual promiscuity in general calls this into question and I cannot abide this sort of slander.
I am afraid you have entirely misread the point. Go back and try again. This is not an apology for or an explanation of any of the behavior you have demonstrated in this thread.
You assumed from the get go that Silas was "asking for it", as it were, and then doubled down upon that error in judgement by stating that a woman who teases but does not "put out" is as bad as a woman who "puts out", both of which assume that a woman ought to be utterly powerless when it comes to sexual relations. You then doubled down further on this in your explanation for your belief that this is the case.
People are, rightly, jumping on you because the opinion you have stated is utterly barbaric in nature.
Your post did not state that it was against promiscuity in general. It stated that you expected the woman to "put out" when, laughably, you believed that is what she implied. You, sir, are entirely for promiscuity. You are also then for calling the woman a harlot.
You are a misogynist, and you are being rightly attacked for it.
You should have listened to your admiralty and not posted again. |

Malcolm Khross
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
560
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:30:00 -
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I hereby submit the latter portion of this thread (up to this point of the discussion) as a case study for why interjecting into a situation without context should be avoided at all costs, especially by individuals bearing representation for another individual or entity. ~Malcolm Khross
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Gwen Ikiryo
Hoderi's Folly
43
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:34:00 -
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I should hope you have a rope to go with that spade of yours, Mister Ludwigus; You're digging yourself into a quite considerable hole. |

Brother Ludwigus
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:43:00 -
[85] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I am afraid you have entirely misread the point. Go back and try again. This is not an apology for or an explanation of any of the behavior you have demonstrated in this thread.
You assumed from the get go that Silas was "asking for it", as it were, and then doubled down upon that error in judgement by stating that a woman who teases but does not "put out" is as bad as a woman who "puts out", both of which assume that a woman ought to be utterly powerless when it comes to sexual relations. You then doubled down further on this in your explanation for your belief that this is the case.
People are, rightly, jumping on you because the opinion you have stated is utterly barbaric in nature.
Your post did not state that it was against promiscuity in general. It stated that you expected the woman to "put out" when, laughably, you believed that is what she implied. You, sir, are entirely for promiscuity. You are also then for calling the woman a harlot.
You are a misogynist, and you are being rightly attacked for it.
You should have listened to your admiralty and not posted again.
Once again you have read into my posts things which are not there in an effort to sully my reputation, and I foolishly am not remaining aloof and ignoring it. My pride prevents me from allowing you to drag me through the mud unhindered.
My presumption at the outset was not that Silas was 'asking for it', but that she was using sexuality as a weapon to manipulate someone to her desires. This is the harlotry I am against, be it performed by man or woman. Then for someone already engaged in such a sinful act to void their part of the bargain, to remove the carrot as it were, the incentive to von Khan's supposed betrayal and disgrace compounds the sin. Rescinding on a contract is grave enough a crime but on such a demonic pact worse still. The pair of them can go screw each other and whoever else the please for the rest of eternity for all I care, I will still regard sexual manipulation as sinful, dishonest sexual manipulation moreso. This doesn't even relate to gender, but morality. Soli Deo gloria. |

Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
90
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:53:00 -
[86] - Quote
Two for the price of one, Captain Vitalia. Bravo. |

Lasairiona
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:56:00 -
[87] - Quote
I fully agree that women are not put here to be used and taken advantage of by men.
However, the way this was dealt with on the part of the victim was a bit childish. I couldn't help but imagine her stomping her feet in outrage. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1468
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:07:00 -
[88] - Quote
Brother Ludwigus wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I am afraid you have entirely misread the point. Go back and try again. This is not an apology for or an explanation of any of the behavior you have demonstrated in this thread.
You assumed from the get go that Silas was "asking for it", as it were, and then doubled down upon that error in judgement by stating that a woman who teases but does not "put out" is as bad as a woman who "puts out", both of which assume that a woman ought to be utterly powerless when it comes to sexual relations. You then doubled down further on this in your explanation for your belief that this is the case.
People are, rightly, jumping on you because the opinion you have stated is utterly barbaric in nature.
Your post did not state that it was against promiscuity in general. It stated that you expected the woman to "put out" when, laughably, you believed that is what she implied. You, sir, are entirely for promiscuity. You are also then for calling the woman a harlot.
You are a misogynist, and you are being rightly attacked for it.
You should have listened to your admiralty and not posted again.
Once again you have read into my posts things which are not there in an effort to sully my reputation, and I foolishly am not remaining aloof and ignoring it. My pride prevents me from allowing you to drag me through the mud unhindered. My presumption at the outset was not that Silas was 'asking for it', but that she was using sexuality as a weapon to manipulate someone to her desires. This is the harlotry I am against, be it performed by man or woman. Then for someone already engaged in such a sinful act to void their part of the bargain, to remove the carrot as it were, the incentive to von Khan's supposed betrayal and disgrace compounds the sin. Rescinding on a contract is grave enough a crime but on such a demonic pact worse still. The pair of them can go screw each other and whoever else the please for the rest of eternity for all I care, I will still regard sexual manipulation as sinful, dishonest sexual manipulation moreso. This doesn't even relate to gender, but morality.
There was no harlotry involved, unless you consider a non-committal "you have my interest" as an invitation to immediate sexual intercourse, in which case I have to question your sanity.
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Malcolm Khross
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
560
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:11:00 -
[89] - Quote
Lasairiona wrote:I fully agree that women are not put here to be used and taken advantage of by men.
The same is true of the reverse. ~Malcolm Khross
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Lasairiona
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:15:00 -
[90] - Quote
Malcolm Khross wrote:Lasairiona wrote:I fully agree that women are not put here to be used and taken advantage of by men. The same is true of the reverse.
Yes, I agree with that as well. It goes both ways. I think some forget that though. |
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