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Arion Ruairc Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.02.17 02:10:00 - [1] - Quote I'm on one of the beginner missions and I simply can't kill Dagan. He keeps regenerating his ship and I can't destroy it. I've searched the forums and can't seem to find the answer. Can anyone help a noob? Thanks.
Jonah Gravenstein Gordian Knot Holdings 5752	Posted - 2013.02.17 02:14:00 - [2] - Quote Dagan is meant to be your introduction to teaming up with others, the mission description itself suggests just that. Your best bet is to shout out in local, you'll generally get both newbies and older players offering to help you out, if you get a fellow newbie especially one with the same problem, team up with him, kill your Dagan and then kill their Dagan. Older players will help you out, many remember their first attempts at killing him and will help you because of it, don't forget to thank the newbie or older player who helps you. Eve in a nutshell, it's me vs the universe, and everybody in it.
MadMuppet Three Fish In A Box 829	Posted - 2013.02.17 02:16:00 - [3] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dagan is meant to be your introduction to teaming up with others, the mission description itself suggests just that. Your best bet is to shout out in local, you'll generally get both newbies and older players offering to help you out, if you get a fellow newbie especially one with the same problem, team up with him, kill your Dagan and then kill their Dagan. Older players will help you out, many remember their first attempts at killing him and will help you because of it, don't forget to thank the newbie or older player who helps you. What he said. There is always someone around that can put a few rounds in to him for you. Say hi! Eve isn't all assholes. I mine in EVE because I'm too drunk to fish in WoW.-á
Arion Ruairc Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.02.17 02:52:00 - [4] - Quote Thanks to Tau for helping!! This was my first time to team up with someone. Looks like it's time to join a corp.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat working stiffs 1573	Posted - 2013.02.17 03:03:00 - [5] - Quote Arion Ruairc wrote: Thanks to Tau for helping!! This was my first time to team up with someone. Looks like it's time to join a corp. Glad to help Do find a corp, and don't feel that you have to stay in a bad one.
Charlepetit LaJoie Trust Me Ltd 273	Posted - 2013.02.17 04:36:00 - [6] - Quote Older forum posts on this question state that Dagan posesses slightly different defenses, depending on which faction you choose for the mission. It is probably best to team up with another player, and other players will be happy to have your help, too, but I did manage to defeat Dagan by using a destroyer. A cruiser would probably be better, if you have the skills trained. (Some players claim they have finished the mission in a frigate, too.) In a destroyer, I stayed out of range of Dagan's neutralizer and killed off his escort ships. I then returned to fight Dagan's cruiser alone. (Repair your ship to 100% first.) I charged toward Dagan, entered a fast, tight orbit around his cruiser, and Dagan was no longer hitting me with his neutralizer, and his cruiser's guns could only hit my destroyer once in a while. I could easily repair the occasional damage. (Depending on your own skills, you might be able to attack from long range, especially if you fly a cruiser.) The hard part was figuring out which type of ammunition would damage Dagan faster than he could repair it. Dagan will be vulnerable to a specific type of damage (electromagnetic, thermal, kinetic, or explosive). But the exact type of damage to use against him depends on which empire faction you chose in a previous mission. (I spent a lot of time and ISK trying out different types of ammo.) Eventually, I killed Dagan solo in my destroyer (Thrasher) with seven autocannons and one light missile launcher, using ammunition that caused explosive damage . Again, your version of Dagan may or may not be vulnerable to the same type of damage.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 906	Posted - 2013.02.17 06:00:00 - [7] - Quote Back in the day there were people who just sat around killing Dagan over & over again all day long. They hung out in that system and waited for newbies to ask for help. EvE Forum Bingo
BJ McGreaves Lost Dawn Chaos Stealth Syndicate 46	Posted - 2013.02.17 06:31:00 - [8] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: Back in the day there were people who just sat around killing Dagan over & over again all day long. They hung out in that system and waited for newbies to ask for help. Getting slightly off topic but....why did they do that?
Davith en Divalone Plate of Beans Incorporated 70	Posted - 2013.02.17 06:57:00 - [9] - Quote Charlepetit LaJoie wrote: Older forum posts on this question state that Dagan posesses slightly different defenses, depending on which faction you choose for the mission. I think that's no longer the case, and he just has moderate resists across the board with a slight weakness for explosive damage.
Dr Strange Love Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.02.17 07:39:00 - [10] - Quote BJ McGreaves wrote: Katran Luftschreck wrote: Back in the day there were people who just sat around killing Dagan over & over again all day long. They hung out in that system and waited for newbies to ask for help. Getting slightly off topic but....why did they do that? Because Dagan is evil and needs to die over and over again. Also it is a good way to get chatting with new players and then you try to recruit them to your corp.

Celeste Taylor Ruby Dynasty 134	Posted - 2013.02.17 09:34:00 - [11] - Quote The first time I fought Dagan it took a long time of warping to heal and back again to slowly wear him down with a Catalyst. The second time with my first alt I used faction ammo and a few other higher end goodies and he went down a bit faster. The third time I took him out I went with a Navy Dom and elite drone training and he died very fast. It is possible to solo Dagan as a total rookie, although it took me a number of attacks between quick docks for shield repairs. I'm not sure how long one needs to train up before he is an easy kill, but three months is more than enough and your second time against him should be a breeze.
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 1889	Posted - 2013.02.17 12:42:00 - [12] - Quote BJ McGreaves wrote: Katran Luftschreck wrote: Back in the day there were people who just sat around killing Dagan over & over again all day long. They hung out in that system and waited for newbies to ask for help. Getting slightly off topic but....why did they do that? I did that. Why, cause it's so awesome to see the ****** die over and over after you had trouble with him the first time you did that arc. And of course it's a great way to interact with new players, answer their questions, give them tips and tricks and sent them on their way to become EVE's greatest pilots.
Kane Alvo Coronis Corporation 20	Posted - 2013.02.17 14:20:00 - [13] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Dagan is meant to be your introduction to teaming up with others, the mission description itself suggests just that, he can be a tough nut to crack solo, especially as a newbie. Your best bet is to shout out in local, you'll generally get both newbies and older players offering to help you out, if you get a fellow newbie especially one with the same problem, team up with him, kill your Dagan and then kill their Dagan. Older players will help you out, many remember their first attempts at killing him and will help you because of it, don't forget to thank the newbie or older player who helps you. Good luck, and have fun. You can run the same arc again 3 months down the line, it's good for your standings. This ^ If you're doing the SoE epic arc early on, you won't have the DPS to solo Dagan. I read somewhere that you need around 100-110 DPS to break Dagan's tank, which is very difficult for a 2 week old player in a frigate or destroyer. There should be someone around willing to help you out, either a fellow newbie or a veteran passing through.
Arion Ruairc Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous 3	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:30:00 - [14] - Quote I will say that the mission instructions led me to believe that whichever faction I chose to help would actually be sending along a "fleet" to help me take him out. Obviously that didn't happen so I wonder what the point was to choose a faction to deliver him to.
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 1891	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:40:00 - [15] - Quote Arion Ruairc wrote: I will say that the mission instructions led me to believe that whichever faction I chose to help would actually be sending along a "fleet" to help me take him out. Obviously that didn't happen so I wonder what the point was to choose a faction to deliver him to. I case you don't know, the faction you choose will get a good faction standing gain.
Jonah Gravenstein Gordian Knot Holdings 5769	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:14:00 - [16] - Quote Think of them more as an audience than help, you're there to prove yourself as a bloodthirsty gun toting demi-god to them, and in return you get a substantial standings gain with them for successfully doing so. Faction NPCs are normal(ish) human beings, with all of humanities frailties, when they die they stay dead, you as a capsuleer are an immortal, you never die, you just wake up in a new body. Eve in a nutshell, it's me vs the universe, and everybody in it.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate 2178	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:42:00 - [17] - Quote Confirming that I've killed dagan more time than I can count Literally, I lost count around 4 dozen times.... The Drake is a Lie
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat working stiffs 1578	Posted - 2013.02.18 04:15:00 - [18] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Confirming that I've killed dagan more time than I can count Literally, I lost count around 4 dozen times.... I've killed Dagan many many times, but I've never done the Blood-Stained Stars arc. Heading to Arnon now in blaster Harpy. I could use some Minmatar faction.
Charlepetit LaJoie Trust Me Ltd 279	Posted - 2013.02.21 04:25:00 - [19] - Quote I helped another player kill Dagan a few minutes ago. This time I was in an Amarr destroyer with eight dual light beam lasers and Multifrequency S crystals. The other player was in an Amarr cruiser. I don't see how I could have killed him alone this time, since Amarr laser ships depend so heavily on cap. So, whether he can be killed solo or not depends greatly on your own ship, weapons, ammo, and support skills.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 1524	Posted - 2013.02.21 06:12:00 - [20] - Quote the solution a eve-style bounty system (done)-á dust boarding parties You fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked

Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 302	Posted - 2013.02.21 06:53:00 - [21] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: Back in the day there were people who just sat around killing Dagan over & over again all day long. They hung out in that system and waited for newbies to ask for help. Why? Because we all had to do that mission when we were new, too, and the current version is actually easier than it used to be. Or, in short, because **** Dagan.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1587	Posted - 2013.02.21 08:18:00 - [22] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: I've killed Dagan many many times, but I've never done the Blood-Stained Stars arc. Heading to Arnon now in blaster Harpy. I could use some Minmatar faction. ... and down goes Dagan once again (solo this time). Raised my Minmatar standing from -4 to -2, so was worth it. See you in 3 months (or sooner) Dagan!
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 435	Posted - 2013.02.21 11:52:00 - [23] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Arion Ruairc wrote: Thanks to Tau for helping!! This was my first time to team up with someone. Looks like it's time to join a corp. Glad to help Do find a corp, and don't feel that you have to stay in a bad one. Double what he said, If you find yourself in an ego corp that does nothing, doesn't really talk, no one really logs in or just appears to be a corp where the CEO is living off your tax's. Move :)
Joran Dravius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 137	Posted - 2013.02.23 03:06:00 - [24] - Quote Arion Ruairc wrote: I'm on one of the beginner missions and I simply can't kill Dagan. He keeps regenerating his ship and I can't destroy it. I've searched the forums and can't seem to find the answer. Can anyone help a noob? Thanks. If you can wait until tomorrow i'll help. I'm doing the SOE epic just for *** and giggles and I'm getting close to the end. My myrmidon is pretty big overkill for these missions. Lost Greybeard wrote:** Because we all had to do that mission when we were new, too, and the current version is actually easier than it used to be. Actually, when I started there weren't any missions. I vaguely remember an alt killing him once I think, but basically Dagan is new to me.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 305	Posted - 2013.02.23 08:16:00 - [25] - Quote Going to finish advanced military on a new toon today. I'll be hunting Dagan again too, with 2 chars actually in the next week. Remove insurance.
teedeepee Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.03.08 10:58:00 - [26] - Quote I just ruined Dagan's day in a Maller fitted as follows: 5x Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I with multifrequency crystals 1x 10MN Afterburner I 2x Cap Recharger II 3x Extruded Heat Sink I (rate of fire is of the essence in denting Dagan's shield faster than it regenerates) 3x Power Diagnostic System I (provides a bit of extra cap without using medium slots) The above fitout being slightly cap unstable, I cycled my afterburner on and off to effectively kite Dagan within a range of 12-15km without drying up my capacitor (YMMV depending on your skill points). That range rendered his weapon pretty ineffective while my lasers were hitting him hard. He blew up in less than five minutes, and that's after I picked the Amarr commander as my ally (allegedly it makes Dagan more resistant to EM and thermal damage, although I've read elsewhere that this was no longer the case). I also launched 1x Hobgoblin and 1x Valkyrie drones but lost them quickly and I don't think they dealt much damage. You might want to carry 3x Hobgoblins and sic them to keep Dagan's escort busy, if you can't be bothered dealing with it yourself.
Hollis Boirelle Variables Unlimited 0	Posted - 2013.03.08 17:38:00 - [27] - Quote I did the arc just after the tutorial missions and finished a few days ago, so all my basic combat and weapon skills are still pretty bad. It took me 6 or 8 attempts experimenting with different fittings to actually kill Dagan on my own, but in the end I succeeded in a Catalyst with 8x Light Electron Blasters (Antimater charges), webs, and a bunch of capacitor rechargers/flux rechargers. At a 500m orbit with webs, I didn't get hit much at all but wearing him down took a very long time. The whole fight took something like an hour, and I burned through over 10,000 rounds of AM charges. If I'd known at the time that you can do missions as a fleet, I'd definitely have called for backup to help take him down.
Cascade Vandiliere Desertus Caterva The Interstellar Trade n Terror Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.03.08 21:29:00 - [28] - Quote Fairly easy in a catalyst with 8 blasters at 500m. Took about 8 minutes with my current skill build and tracking bounses. Check out fits for your ship of choice at http://eve.battleclinic.com They have solo Dagan fits listed.
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 1948	Posted - 2013.03.08 22:35:00 - [29] - Quote Cascade Vandiliere wrote: Fairly easy in a catalyst with 8 blasters at 500m. Took about 8 minutes with my current skill build and tracking bounses. Check out fits for your ship of choice at http://eve.battleclinic.com http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/61092-Low-SP-Solo-Dagan-Catalyst.html They have solo Dagan fits listed. The only danger with taking fits from Battleclinic is: 1.) You don't know if they are proven working fits or just EFT warrior's ideas. 2.) They can be horribly outdated (your link is from June 2012, well before the ship rebalancing started) and thus don't have to work anymore.
Hollis Boirelle Variables Unlimited 0	Posted - 2013.03.09 04:56:00 - [30] - Quote Cascade Vandiliere wrote: Fairly easy in a catalyst with 8 blasters at 500m. Took about 8 minutes with my current skill build and tracking bonuses. Check out fits for your ship of choice at http://eve.battleclinic.com http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/61092-Low-SP-Solo-Dagan-Catalyst.html They have solo Dagan fits listed. So better guns would have been better -- no big surprise there. I wasn't suggesting it was a good fit, only that it was barely adequate. I bought the blasters there in system and just filled the slots with the first guns I found. For earlier portions of the arc I'd been using 150mm rails, but Dagan chewed me up pretty badly at range. That is a very interesting site. I haven't looked too closely at weapon comparisons yet. If I understand the basic weapon x charge values properly, it looks like just using the Limited Light Ion Blasters suggested in your link would have done around ~18% more damage than the Light Electron Blasters I was using -- and using the Navy ammo they suggested as well would have done ~35% more dps than what I used. That's before you add the rate of fire boosters or skill bonuses into account. I have no Idea how those calculations work yet. Since I was already putting out enough damage to overcome the shield and armor repair (if only just barely), it's easy to see where an extra 35% (or more) DPS would have helped out a lot. Thank you for the link and for the input! J'Poll wrote: The only danger with taking fits from Battleclinic is: 1.) You don't know if they are proven working fits or just EFT warrior's ideas. 2.) They can be horribly outdated (your link is from June 2012, well before the ship rebalancing started) and thus don't have to work anymore. This is very good to know. Thank you.

Tara Tyrael Squirrel's INC 49	Posted - 2013.03.10 01:38:00 - [31] - Quote Kane Alvo wrote: [quote=Jonah Gravenstein] If you're doing the SoE epic arc early on, you won't have the DPS to solo Dagan. I read somewhere that you need around 100-110 DPS to break Dagan's tank. Did it in lower skilled destroyer with 150 dps and couldn't cracked it... Got so annoyed by this guy that I actually flown a Machariel 10 jumps and blasted him out with 1150 dps :) Dagan wasn't amused with that :D Service: Corp creation (Amarr/Caldari)
Jonah Gravenstein Universal Corporate Repossession Inc. 6295	Posted - 2013.03.10 01:55:00 - [32] - Quote I'm just about to run the epic arc again, I'm going to do it with a rocket Catalyst this time, because I can and it'll be a giggle. I used a RF Firetail last time, next time I may try an Algos or Corax. Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and every machiavellian space bastard in it.
Jensaro Koraka Serenity Prime Kraken. 46	Posted - 2013.03.10 11:44:00 - [33] - Quote Arion Ruairc wrote: I'm on one of the beginner missions and I simply can't kill Dagan. He keeps regenerating his ship and I can't destroy it. I've searched the forums and can't seem to find the answer. Can anyone help a noob? Thanks. Get someone to help. That's what I did. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken


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