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K3NDY
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:41:00 -
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if one wanted to could they super(not uber) tank a BS and take a fleet of em to jita and kill kill kill, roughly how long would it take concord to destroy the ships?
tank setup would probably involve 2 large reps and a ton of hardeners and a 1600mm tungsten plate
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lordmix
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:47:00 -
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lol, go try it 
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 28/07/2005 12:49:29 You would need a fleet to last even a small time. Concord will attack all ships, including the remote boosting ones.
The only thing which would slow your demise would be bringing in many more ships than Concord respond to.
Unless the mechanics have changed, Concord only engage 5 (or is it 6?) ships at a time - so while they are dying other ships could attack without response.
Go try it, you'll have plenty of time to see how you could improve the technique whilst you sit out your ban. ______________________________________________
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Necronomicon
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:53:00 -
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be warned though, last time someone did this they got perma banned by CCP.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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K3NDY
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: K3NDY on 28/07/2005 12:55:23 so if i shot a hauler in 0.5+ knowing the security implications, and i was happy to lose my ship and take a sec hit i would be banned?
what if u cant afford a war dec so u pull a suicide gank as its the only way to get to ur enemy? i get banned for that to?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: K3NDY Edited by: K3NDY on 28/07/2005 12:55:23 so if i shot a hauler in 0.5+ knowing the security implications, and i was happy to lose my ship and take a sec hit i would be banned?
what if u cant afford a war dec so u pull a suicide gank as its the only way to get to ur enemy? i get banned for that to?
No, that would be fine.
Trying to find a way to gank multiple targets whilst avoiding Concord instadeath, however, is frowned upon. ______________________________________________
Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay. |

Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.07.28 13:00:00 -
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As long as you lose your ship after atacking someone in high secure space theres no problem, also a war declare would cost u alot less than the ships you would lose
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.07.28 14:44:00 -
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Sentries do most the damage, don't do this around sentries.
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K3NDY
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Posted - 2005.07.28 14:51:00 -
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thanks for the info guys
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Skyraker7
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:21:00 -
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Sorry i'm having none of this.... it's bollox that fighting concorde and surviving is considered an exploit..... either make concorde uber uber or let us kill them...
If we can take a fleet into 1.0 and pwn concordes =ASS= (long live, sorry) then let us....
Bugger it, I can't be arsed, im off for a sandwich...
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:54:00 -
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I think people are talking about attacking someone then logging off to save their ship from concord (which is a bannable or at least get a warning) rather than taking on the whole of the concord fleet and surviving
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:55:00 -
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You can't survive Concord in a stand up fight anymore - go on the test server and try it. Damn NPC's cheat. ______________________________________________
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:58:00 -
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Stopstopstop...Zombies didnt get banned for attacking Yulai. They got banned for 3 days because they didnt want to stop killing carebears and went rude against a GM lol.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire Stopstopstop...Zombies didnt get banned for attacking Yulai. They got banned for 3 days because they didnt want to stop killing carebears and went rude against a GM lol.
That is correct. However, it was after that event that the rules were changed to prevent things like that happening again.
Before the Yulai Incident you didn't have to die to Concord. ______________________________________________
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:27:00 -
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I think you can get banned for surviving an encounter with CONCORD. I also think CONCORD sends in groups of reinforcements provided that you survive long enough, so it's theoretically impossible to survive anyway as they keep sending in backup.
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:34:00 -
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I don't understand... 
If I can run from the Police in RL why Can't I Run/dudge/kill Concord in a game if I have the support and know how.
Personal I don't think it should be banable. But I'm not going to try something like this so really donesn;t matter.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:34:00 -
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Try it on the test server. I suggest Apocs with 7 low slots of hardners and 2 large remotes each. ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's |

Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Collins I don't understand... 
If I can run from the Police in RL why Can't I Run/dudge/kill Concord in a game if I have the support and know how.
You answer yourself, this is a game, and a lot of games have their own rules and policies. :)
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Drosssk
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Posted - 2005.07.28 19:18:00 -
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so if you kill a guy in 0.5 and tank till ur agro timer is off and jump u get banned? sheesh.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.07.28 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 28/07/2005 19:24:24 Well i dont think u can tank the aggro timer coz if they are attacking u then the timer never runs out. Like if u kill someone get killed dock in pod for say 10mins and then undock again the timer begins again.
I did try taking on concord on the test server ages ago when they were testing the new shield boosts, i managed to take a few down but more and more just kept coming.
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Mesasone
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:41:00 -
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I think you guys have this all wrong.
First off, the op was asking how long he could last... meaning he expected to die sooner or later.
To the OP, I have no idea how long you would last against concord in jita, however if you look on the eve-i database perhaps you could set up a tank taylored to last as long as possible against concord fire/entry fire. Probably wont be long in anycase, after the Zombie incident, sentries in 1.0 were beefed up.
Also, I'm fairly sure that the rule is that you cant escape concord in 1.0 space, doing so will resault in a ban. As far as I know, it is still possible and acceptable to run and escape from concord in .5 .9 sec areas, it would just take alot of skill (and probably an interceptor to get into warp fast enough).
Maybe a GM can clarify on this, but I'm pretty sure thats how it works.
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K3NDY
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Posted - 2005.07.28 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: K3NDY on 28/07/2005 22:53:36 i just dont like the idea of alts in npc corps who send out an indy in 0.9+ knowing it wont be attacked and set up mining macros so they can get on with something else and get away with it, ive settled for bouncing them off their roids so they get nothing but id love to gank a few of the suckers.
i expect to die by concord and i admit it would be an expensive pass-time but i want these macro-bears to know they arent safe in npc corps
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.07.28 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: K3NDY i expect to die by concord and i admit it would be an expensive pass-time but i want these macro-bears to know they arent safe in npc corps
:)
You know, I don't even think it would be such a bad idea at all. If you use the Kamikaze-Kessie approach, a single "hit" will cost you about 500k (kestrel + equipment). You only need one hauler full of minerals and you're good to go again for another 10 hits at the least. Let alone expensive mods they might drop. ;)
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.29 00:58:00 -
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The zombie video is awesome :)
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Thnikkaman
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Posted - 2005.07.29 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: infused The zombie video is awesome :)
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.29 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Thnikkaman
Originally by: infused The zombie video is awesome :)
Got a link?
Link
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Skyraker7
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Posted - 2005.07.29 03:59:00 -
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I pay for my downloads, so can someone summarise the Yulai incident or linkage to the story ?
Cheers.
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Motaka
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Posted - 2005.07.29 08:08:00 -
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A video Zombies "Yulai Incident" can be found here :
http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/?type=5
(the video is about 7 from the bottom)

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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.07.29 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 29/07/2005 09:41:12 Ignore me works now 
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.07.29 10:29:00 -
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A while ago, a friend stuck a cheap setup on his Apoc involving much plating and tachyons, and killed a CONCORD BS and cruiser before going down to 10 BS. There's one fun way to cash in on the last week of insurance. 
Having said that, I don't see the point, unless you really want it as a badge.
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Crayathan
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Posted - 2005.07.29 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Skyraker7 I pay for my downloads, so can someone summarise the Yulai incident or linkage to the story ?
Cheers.
Basically, a load of bs's boosted another bs so it could survive concord/sentry guns in yulai, while it just killed and killed and killed.
Eventually a GM turned up and uber'd him.....i think, i was 100km from the gate so thats the gist of it anyway
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil |

Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2005.07.29 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Go try it, you'll have plenty of time to see how you could improve the technique whilst you sit out your ban.
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Motaka
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Posted - 2005.07.29 13:47:00 -
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LMAO - I can remember all the petition threads to "Free the Yulai 8" 
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Ripley12
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Posted - 2005.08.02 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 28/07/2005 19:24:24 Well i dont think u can tank the aggro timer coz if they are attacking u then the timer never runs out. Like if u kill someone get killed dock in pod for say 10mins and then undock again the timer begins again.
I did try taking on concord on the test server ages ago when they were testing the new shield boosts, i managed to take a few down but more and more just kept coming.
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SamoraH Deathbringer
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Posted - 2005.08.02 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ripley12
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 28/07/2005 19:24:24 Well i dont think u can tank the aggro timer coz if they are attacking u then the timer never runs out. Like if u kill someone get killed dock in pod for say 10mins and then undock again the timer begins again.
I did try taking on concord on the test server ages ago when they were testing the new shield boosts, i managed to take a few down but more and more just kept coming.
When ir ead this i just hade to say I`v tanked concord for 17min Alone and after that they stopped toa ttack me ( i culd not attack anyone meantime) but the fact they stopped to attack me and just hade an orbit within 30km. then ma time was 17min something, ( have it on frapps, tho its boring to watch, but kinda cool) anyway after i saw this i was about 7k from gate and i was not webbed anymore and not scrambled so i went back and got back home... i dont wanna proove anything i just say you can and i never got banned ether ( i didnt know i culd be) but thats what happened.. c ya in sp4ce all pirate friends- and all i will meet  
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SamoraH Deathbringer
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Posted - 2005.08.02 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: SamoraH Deathbringer
Originally by: Ripley12
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 28/07/2005 19:24:24 Well i dont think u can tank the aggro timer coz if they are attacking u then the timer never runs out. Like if u kill someone get killed dock in pod for say 10mins and then undock again the timer begins again.
I did try taking on concord on the test server ages ago when they were testing the new shield boosts, i managed to take a few down but more and more just kept coming.
When ir ead this i just hade to say I`v tanked concord for 17min Alone and after that they stopped toa ttack me ( i culd not attack anyone meantime) but the fact they stopped to attack me and just hade an orbit within 30km. then ma time was 17min something, ( have it on frapps, tho its boring to watch, but kinda cool) anyway after i saw this i was about 7k from gate and i was not webbed anymore and not scrambled so i went back and got back home... i dont wanna proove anything i just say you can and i never got banned ether ( i didnt know i culd be) but thats what happened.. c ya in sp4ce all pirate friends- and all i will meet  
lol im Ripley12 ;D Posted wrong character 
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.08.02 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: K3NDY Edited by: K3NDY on 28/07/2005 22:53:36 i just dont like the idea of alts in npc corps who send out an indy in 0.9+ knowing it wont be attacked and set up mining macros so they can get on with something else and get away with it, ive settled for bouncing them off their roids so they get nothing but id love to gank a few of the suckers.
i expect to die by concord and i admit it would be an expensive pass-time but i want these macro-bears to know they arent safe in npc corps
Macrominers suck. I reported this guy who has like 20 ships automacromining obviously a isk reseller but CCP has not done a thing.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:19:00 -
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3 members of my old corp, DIE. took on concord.
We were in 3 battleships, rigged for High cap recharge + shield transporters.
After 3 tries we were able to tank them indefinitely, and took down about 20 battleships before I got bored, and Turned off my shield transporters  ------
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:19:00 -
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We did make a video. ------
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Markie
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Skyraker7 Sorry i'm having none of this.... it's bollox that fighting concorde and surviving is considered an exploit..... either make concorde uber uber or let us kill them...
If we can take a fleet into 1.0 and pwn concordes =ASS= (long live, sorry) then let us....
Bugger it, I can't be arsed, im off for a sandwich...
I am afrade I agrea with this. if you need 10 bs to pwn in 1.0 then I can assume you are only going to drop a maximun of 3 to 4 targets max. So it will cost in excess of 1 Bil to kill a small ammount of other ships. Why stop this? It is just creating turn over.
And finaly people do go and shoot neturals in 1.0, I sat and watched supremicey in a bunch of caracels boom hauler after hauler in Niyabainen, I belive they had a neturial on the other side of gate scanning the ships hold and if it was ok the boomed it, yes they lost crusers for each kill and got a security hit but I was told how much isk they made and it was unreal. I don't see anything wrong with this as they took the chance and paid the price, after all CCP wanted to promote team play and they have got it.
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.08.02 12:36:00 -
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With regards to the Tanker ganker questions.
All armour plates have had ther bonus to armour Drastically increased which obviously means that pirates who tank sentry guns jobs is now alot easier.
Have the sentry guns had a damage output bonus as well ? |

Kaasta Karrde
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Posted - 2005.08.04 12:31:00 -
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gahahahaha being banned for lazy programming. AWESOME.
If CCP doesn't want ppl to survive CONCORD then fix the game so it can't happen, don't ban ppl for it 
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migwar
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Posted - 2005.08.04 13:17:00 -
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I must admit on hearing about the yulai incident and watching the video, Its one of the coolest things about eve. That players can orchestrate events like this. Pirates entering secure space and wreaking havoc is hella cool, Sure not on a regular basis but as a once in a gametime event it rocks. Pity the guys paid the price tho.. Maybe concord need to invest more on their defence budget
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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.08.04 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: K3NDY if one wanted to could they super(not uber) tank a BS and take a fleet of em to jita and kill kill kill, roughly how long would it take concord to destroy the ships?
tank setup would probably involve 2 large reps and a ton of hardeners and a 1600mm tungsten plate
You would not be banned for this. It's perfectly ok since you mentioned that you'd still be destroyed and as long as you're destroyed, it's not an exploit.
I actually remember seeing a vid of someone in a Large Smartbomb setup Megathron in High Sec Empire, who warped to a group of AFK Barges, parked right in the middle of them and blew all of them up including pods. 
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.08.04 16:18:00 -
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I see a lot of, "I thinks" and "I did it once a long time ago" But no definate and current input. It would be nice if a Dev would respond to this thread and offer an informed opinion.
As to the macroer deal. One must be very careful how you deal with them. CCP has made it clear that if you do anything to profit from their ill-gotten gains (I.E.: raiding their cans, collecting loot after killing their ships, accepting protection money, etc) you are an accessory after the fact and are subject to the same punishment as the macroers; specifically, banning. However, I know of a few people who do sui-gank these macroers whenever they find them. Just be sure you dont pick up their loot.
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