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Slam
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Posted - 2003.07.18 21:57:00 -
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Somebody told me that a recent patch changed wars so they need the consent of both parties.
I know Pann commented on this in the autumn 2002 saying it was a "no brainer" that it needed to be so.
But i'm afraid that the current security system totally gimp corporation wars any where but in non empire space.
80% of wars will have side A wanting to fight, side B wanting things unchanged. I fear there will VERY few incidents where both coporations agree to war.
Also this totally destroyes one of the finest aspects of conflicts in multi user invorenments: diplomacy - getting allies involved in the fight.
example: Corp C *really* want to help corp B against the agressor. But guess what? They cant cozz Corp A wont accept the dec of war.
Wars will be ok in non empire space...aside form the fact that it is pointless to actually declare war "out there".
I know CCP is concerned with larger corps declaring war and ganking smaller corps, but consentual war is NOT the answer! Have the agressor pay a fee to concord for declaring war or whatever.
I was pretty ok with "pushing" the PC pirates out of empire space, but I honestly didnt imagine CCP would ban all non consentual combat from empire space.
There must be another way to allow non consentual warfare and still prevent excessive "newbie corp ganking"!
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.07.19 00:00:00 -
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Consensual Corporation Wars would entirely defeat the purpose of having a corporation war in the first place.
It basically takes away the *only* legitimate method for a corporation to defend itself against people like cargo thieves or high security pirates.
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Slam
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:45:00 -
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*bump*
Because this is a game stopper for many people counting on corp warfare to lift this game to the next level.
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:55:00 -
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Yep the game REALLY need a alliance system in place.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.07.21 11:03:00 -
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If this is true then it's a "no-brainer" that it's wrong. You should be able to declare war on someone without waiting for their permission.
The problem is stopping wars - what if the corp you're at war with has ceased to exist in real terms? Or there's been no combat for weeks on end? There needs to be some way of taking these things into account...maybe that's what Pann was talking about. I hope so anyway.
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Aronis Contar
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Posted - 2003.07.21 11:59:00 -
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We recently had a corp war, and this is how it goes:
When you declare war on someone, then 24 hours later, you can shoot his ships no matter if he has agreed or not. However, if he doesn't declare war on you as well, HE cannot shoot YOUR ships.
But yes, the "Surrender" feature should be a bit tuned so that it also works when the other side doesn't exist anymore.
Ciao, Aronis!
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Knaar
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Posted - 2003.07.21 12:02:00 -
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My corporation never declares war for fun. We declare war to punish idiots who steal/plunder/pillage/rape our members. Who the hell is going to accept a war against them when they know they are going to get wiped out of existance? I mean, come on... both sides agreeing to go to war would never happen. There will always be an agressor, and some weak, stupid, idiot that doesn't want to be attacked, but did some dumb thing to provoke said attack.
If, say, Joker corp nukes one of our ships and just about podded the member in the ship, and we declare all out war on Joker corp, Joker corp would be really stupid to accept the war declaration. Especially considering Joker corp has 2 members and we have well over 30. We should be able to declare war, and after some period of time, have concord recognize we hate Joker corp, and let us nuke them all to pieces without drastic security hits. No way, no how should Joker corp be able to prevent this. Yeah, they could be warned, but they should not be able to prevent us from declaring war.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.07.21 12:11:00 -
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Actually we're in a similar position. We declared war on a 2 member corp that steals ore (mostly to try out the mechanics of going to war). In retrospect this was a foolish thing to do as now we've used up one of our 3 war slots, the other corp doesn't seem to be around any more and there's no means of allowing the war to lapse. As a result we're going to be much more picky on who and when we declare on in the future.
Also it brings up the question, what if a large corp such as RUS declares (officially) war on a member of the Stain Alliance. Then that corp and 2 other members of the Stain Alliance declare war on RUS. RUS would then be in the position of choosing not to declare war or declare war and be faced with the possibility that 5 other corps could then declare war with impunity.
Does the 3 war limit apply to returning war declarations on those who've declared war on you?
Note I'm not suggesting that Stain would do this (either deliberately or otherwise), just using it as an example that has real connotations.
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