Maybe the impression that EVE is serious business to you is not so much due to your incredibly high level of play and your complex machinations (that most of your members don't take any conscious part in anyways) ... I think EVE became all serious business when EVE goons stopped being goons.

Goonswarm used to have a special outlook on EVE as you could honestly claim to care less about the game than most other groups playing it.

And why would you care? EVE is just another bad game that got picked up by the SA MMO community and which is only made enjoyable by having some like-minded goons to hang out with. You play it for a few months, then you grow bored (or get banned) and look for a different game that has a local goon clan/guild/corp which you can join. Maybe your actions did hurt the game, maybe the game will be dead in 2 years because the devs are bad or maybe you'll rediscover it when someone puts :effort: into writing a new OP a few months down the road. Who cares? it's not about the game, it's about the community.

Only in EVE goons turned out to be pretty successful and that changed everything as it lead to EVE goons becoming more and more invested into their game and eventually splitting away from the SA MMO community.

Nowadays goonfleet.com is not just a clan forum but is a forum community in its own right. EVE goons are members of goonfleet.com first and foremost and members of SA as a far second or not at all. Even when you play games other than EVE (WoT is a great example) you play them with your goonfleet.com bros rather than with SA goons.

The "problem" is that goonfleet.com is at its core all about EVE. It is very doubtful how much of the goonfleet.com community (that forms your direct peer group) would survive if it decided to leave EVE behind and play other games exclusively. You broke the barrier that separated "the game" and "the community".

At this point you are invested far too heavily into EVE to treat it as anything but serious business, just like all the other EVE alliances out there.


(yes, I realize that this is a different pov than the "all glory to dear leader" theory I advocated in my earlier post. doesn't mean either view has to be invalid.)

That doesn't necessarily fit.

Just because a designer put a plan in place and others found a way around their plan... well claiming it's by intent from the get-go is like the cat that falls off a ledge and gives you that look like "yeah, I intended that to happen!" - sure...

Things can be designed one way and end up where they weren't planned on going. Sometimes this is good/delightful - other times it goes a bit too far and needs adjusting. As such I'd avoid assuming they "planned" on how things work -- probably some slack but not an intent that folks would choose to suicide their ships like they do.

Fozzie do you know of any CCP employeers who live in wormholes? Alot of wormholers feel very under-represented.

As a player, I was suicide ganking before it was cool. :hipster:

But as CCP employees we choose to stay towards the light side. It makes a refreshing change of pace for quite a few of us.

Quite a few of us play regularly. As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.

Liang is correct that playing a lot of EVE can wear CCPers out sometimes, between the need for secrecy, looking at the same game in leisure as in work, and people bashing our effort. However the last part isn't generally that bad, people tend to be pretty reasonable when they don't think they have anyone to troll, and I know I've indulged in some tongue-in-cheek "What kind of idiots make this game" banter when I run into bugs we haven't fixed yet.

But just like all forms of EVE burnout, the best cure is a short break to play some other games until the EVE itch returns.

We spam Polaris local with our amazing isk doubling offers all the time, sadly I've only caught CCP Foxfour so far.

I'd like you all to know I'm quitting eve, and giving away all my isk for 1 trit.

You will have to get it to Polaris though. Better be quick before someone else snaps up this amazing offer.

- People can burn out (creatively speaking) if they play the same thing that they make, day in and day out. You'll find that many industries have lots of people who don't partake in said industry recreationally.
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As noted above there are some aspects of gameplay that we do not engage in as part of a general policy (suicide ganking is one), we always do our best to understand every aspect of EVE.

would you people make up your minds if we're stunningly incompetent or so well organized even our forum posting is coordinated

Except, according to CCP Fozzie, suicide ganking.



If CCP employees were allowed to participate in all aspects of the game anonymously (except for maybe being at the head of a huge alliance) then they would be able to see how much of a sad state the game is in right now. The result of CCP's outright stupid choice to remain on "the light side of things" as they call it has led to silly implementations such as the FW exploit (which they were warned about & did it anyway), the Technetium buff of Dec 2009 (which they were also warned about, but surprise surprise, ignored the playerbase) & the poor implementation of the barge buff.

And here's a Spanish woman wondering why Don Quixote is hitting her and Don Juan is ganking windmills.

We spam Polaris local with our amazing isk doubling offers all the time, sadly I've only caught CCP Foxfour so far.

And here's a Spanish woman wondering why Don Quixote is hitting her and Don Juan is ganking windmills.

We spam Polaris local with our amazing isk doubling offers all the time, sadly I've only caught CCP Foxfour so far.

Haha I could see this.

Do you also spam? "Need plex and only have 450 mill. Please send 100 mill so I can keep playing"

The use of the word, 'wretches' again by a goon person. See posts by Andski for details

Looks like they are given a 'word of the month' to use by their corp.

Still, beats them having to think for themselves.

And here's a Spanish woman wondering why Don Quixote is hitting her and Don Juan is ganking windmills.

Also, I've removed some posts in which people were actually proclaiming to be CCP alts. Even if you're joking, it's not allowed.

I bet they aren't allowed on voice comms. I'ld recognize an Icelandic accent in no time at this point. And Fozzie's and Kil2's voices are pretty easy to recognize.... unless they use some sort of voice masker...

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