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D'uce Aliastra Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:00:00 - [1] - Quote So after hearing so much about the added benefits of running an alt I took advantage of the Start Sidekick account... So far he's just collecting dust training up skills. I'd like to ideally use him to run a second battleship for mission running to speed things up. After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts. So....... Are there any free programs that someone could point me to so I can run 2 accounts wtihout having to screen flip? I'm just looking for something simple that I can use to move my ships to target area, lock a target with both craft, control weapons, tanking and drones without having to bounce back and forth between screens a lot. I get most of my game time while at work so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am. I know I know this has been posted to death. However for some reason when I try to search for something along these lines I keep getting web page can't be displayed or some random thread list that has nothing to do with this.
Felicity Love STARKRAFT 272	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:02:00 - [2] - Quote Some might say what you are describing might possibly be construed as "botting"... just saying. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 2260	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:04:00 - [3] - Quote Botting is bad mmkay. Run both clients in windowed mode and split screen it...or use 2 monitors. Refer back to Botting being bad mmkay. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*

CCP BunnyVirus C C P C C P Alliance 158	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:04:00 - [4] - Quote D'uce wrote: So after hearing so much about the added benefits of running an alt I took advantage of the Start Sidekick account... So far he's just collecting dust training up skills. I'd like to ideally use him to run a second battleship for mission running to speed things up. After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts. So....... Are there any free programs that someone could point me to so I can run 2 accounts wtihout having to screen flip? I'm just looking for something simple that I can use to move my ships to target area, lock a target with both craft, control weapons, tanking and drones without having to bounce back and forth between screens a lot. I get most of my game time while at work so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am. I know I know this has been posted to death. However for some reason when I try to search for something along these lines I keep getting web page can't be displayed or some random thread list that has nothing to do with this. This is such a dark grey area i would advice you not do it. 3D Artist

D'uce Aliastra Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:06:00 - [5] - Quote I was told that using a program to do this was not ''bad''. In fact I was told to search the forums or ask about which programs to use.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 3974	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:06:00 - [6] - Quote It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 2260	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:08:00 - [7] - Quote D'uce wrote: I was told that using a program to do this was not ''bad''. In fact I was told to search the forums or ask about which programs to use. CCP BunnyVirus wrote: This is such a dark grey area i would advice you not do it. /thread. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
D'uce Aliastra Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:10:00 - [8] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed. See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" Throws papers up in frustration
Google Voices School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:21:00 - [9] - Quote D'uce wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed. See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" Throws papers up in frustration Isboxer has been discussed at length, and the definitive answer seems to be "it's Allowed". However it clearly violates the EULA. "3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play." Seems clear that if you are using it to facilitate faster acquisition of items, it shouldn't be a grey area, it should be a breach of the EULA. However, in the interest of facilitating CCP making more money, the rules seem to bend around it... "Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that GÇ£one day Veritas will come up to me and say GÇÿhey I fixed off-grid boostingGÇÖGÇ¥, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle."
Ryuji Takemiya Omni Tech Industries Initiative Associates 26	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:24:00 - [10] - Quote D'uce wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed. See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" Throws papers up in frustration Confirming that it's allowed. I know two players that use it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I don't write the rules.

Mund Richard 333	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:29:00 - [11] - Quote D'uce wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed. See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" Throws papers up in frustration The thing reminds me of how 'evil empires' are in fiction. It's not illegal, as long as you are not caught. Technically, EULA can be used for anything, and if not, they just re-write it to make it happen anyways. How much they enforce it or not... >> "We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Including NPC EWAR getting the stacking penalty? Would be awesome to have a cap on how far they can reduce my lock range (not 10km from 100 in a BS) or optimal+falloff with TD.
Orlacc 246	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:29:00 - [12] - Quote On the other hand, why raise an alt that is a duplicate. My alts do things my main can't do.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 4550	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:32:00 - [13] - Quote D'uce wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed. See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" Throws papers up in frustration I think the confusion comes from the fact, that some functions of the program are allowed instead of just blanket allowing of programs. What is accepted is replication of keystrokes, since you're still there controlling the action. Thiat just inputs the same commands on multiple clients at the same time. Once the program is making commands for you, you're deep in the dark gray area and will get into trouble if caught.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 2812	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:37:00 - [14] - Quote Dual monitors. A week after you make the leap, you'll never know how you ever got along without it. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ckra Trald Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION 74	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:53:00 - [15] - Quote D'uce wrote: So after hearing so much about the added benefits of running an alt I took advantage of the Start Sidekick account... So far he's just collecting dust training up skills. I'd like to ideally use him to run a second battleship for mission running to speed things up. After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts. So....... Are there any free programs that someone could point me to so I can run 2 accounts wtihout having to screen flip? I'm just looking for something simple that I can use to move my ships to target area, lock a target with both craft, control weapons, tanking and drones without having to bounce back and forth between screens a lot. I get most of my game time while at work so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am. I know I know this has been posted to death. However for some reason when I try to search for something along these lines I keep getting web page can't be displayed or some random thread list that has nothing to do with this. relevant We must embrace pain and use it to fuel our POS
Fractal Muse Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 216	Posted - 2013.02.19 22:54:00 - [16] - Quote D'uce wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed. See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" Throws papers up in frustration That is because of what you are asking to do. What you are asking to do cannot be done with ISBoxer. You are, essentially, asking to automate a series of tasks for both accounts and that is not allowed. ISBoxer copies key strokes over to the second account. So you still have to do everything yourself and it just copies it over. At the end of the day, I would suggest not doing that either but it is up to you.
Ptraci Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 1279	Posted - 2013.02.19 23:01:00 - [17] - Quote A second monitor would solve your problems. They're not that expensive nowadays.
Klymer Hedion University Amarr Empire 137	Posted - 2013.02.19 23:14:00 - [18] - Quote D'uce wrote: So after hearing so much about the added benefits of running an alt I took advantage of the Start Sidekick account... So far he's just collecting dust training up skills. I'd like to ideally use him to run a second battleship for mission running to speed things up. After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts. So....... Are there any free programs that someone could point me to so I can run 2 accounts wtihout having to screen flip? I'm just looking for something simple that I can use to move my ships to target area, lock a target with both craft, control weapons, tanking and drones without having to bounce back and forth between screens a lot. I get most of my game time while at work so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am. I know I know this has been posted to death. However for some reason when I try to search for something along these lines I keep getting web page can't be displayed or some random thread list that has nothing to do with this. To clear the "confusion" The highlighted text is where your going to run into a problem and likely end up getting banned if you aren't very, very careful. To be specific about the "grey area" [ Quote: After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts. 3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. and.... Quote: so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am. 3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. That said, ISBoxer DOES NOT ACCELERATE RATE OF PLAY OR USE MACROS and so it is legal to use. And to be clear, using a website and other "tools" to update 30 market orders per minute for 10-20 minutes at a time is what constitutes "accelerated rate" and gets you banned and starts a ****storm. OP that was a very badly worded post.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1620	Posted - 2013.02.19 23:34:00 - [19] - Quote Although isboxer is allowed, there seems to be a growing unease with many players about it being allowed. That is, maybe it would be better for the game of Eve if the rules were amended so its not allowed. Some of this is fueled by the 30 pilot fleets of ice miners all being flown by one player using these keystroke duplicators. Hence, its becoming grey. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Nalha Saldana Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda 685	Posted - 2013.02.19 23:45:00 - [20] - Quote I run 3 accounts but i hate dualboxing, i just use them for different things. On the first account I have a subcap pilot which only does pvp. On the 2nd im running a capital pilot (with the goal of becoming supercap) and a Jita market alt, because of the high skill requirements it takes waay too long time to get into caps and fly all the popular pvp fleets with a single character. On the 3rd account i have a industrial pilot which lives in a totally different place from the others and just farm passive isk. So this is a example of what you can do without ever logging into more then 1 of the accounts at a time and the good thing is that if you want to downsize you can move characters together to one account once you are happy with their training.

xarjin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.02.19 23:46:00 - [21] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed. also confirned years ago by a senior GM https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/oldrigs Senior GM Lelouch verified that software and hardware multiboxing is indeed legal in Eve in this forum reply to my eve-o thread: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10 Posted - 2010.04.23 15:51:00 Hello there, To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times. Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping). An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time! Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA. I hope this clears up this matter. Best regards, Senior GM Lelouch EVE Online Customer Support
Im a Corpse Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.02.19 23:47:00 - [22] - Quote I fail to see the issue with ISBoxer and the 30 man fleets of macks that turn up when players use this tool. Ask yourself this: What is the best defence against a 30 man fleet of mining barges ice-mining? Yes grasshopper, you thought correctly.....lots of Smartbombs.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1620	Posted - 2013.02.19 23:50:00 - [23] - Quote Im a Corpse wrote: I fail to see the issue with ISBoxer and the 30 man fleets of macks that turn up when players use this tool. Ask yourself this: What is the best defence against a 30 man fleet of mining barges ice-mining? Yes grasshopper, you thought correctly.....lots of Smartbombs. I thought they clustered around anchored cans, and smartbombs cannot be set off near said cans. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 3975	Posted - 2013.02.20 00:09:00 - [24] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Im a Corpse wrote: I fail to see the issue with ISBoxer and the 30 man fleets of macks that turn up when players use this tool. Ask yourself this: What is the best defence against a 30 man fleet of mining barges ice-mining? Yes grasshopper, you thought correctly.....lots of Smartbombs. I thought they clustered around anchored cans, and smartbombs cannot be set off near said cans. That was a bug which was fixed with Retribution. You can now smartbomb mass multiboxing ice miners to your heart's content. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1621	Posted - 2013.02.20 00:15:00 - [25] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: Im a Corpse wrote: I fail to see the issue with ISBoxer and the 30 man fleets of macks that turn up when players use this tool. Ask yourself this: What is the best defence against a 30 man fleet of mining barges ice-mining? Yes grasshopper, you thought correctly.....lots of Smartbombs. I thought they clustered around anchored cans, and smartbombs cannot be set off near said cans. That was a bug which was fixed with Retribution. You can now smartbomb mass multiboxing ice miners to your heart's content. OK, did not know that. What if they wise up and use the keystroke duplicator to do the action "warp to the top bookmark in your list" but every client has a different bookmark? Now they are scattered all over a 200 km long roid belt. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 3976	Posted - 2013.02.20 00:19:00 - [26] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: What if they wise up Yeah, okay. Like that'll ever happen. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Kate stark 225	Posted - 2013.02.20 00:23:00 - [27] - Quote Google Voices wrote: D'uce wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed. See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" Throws papers up in frustration Isboxer has been discussed at length, and the definitive answer seems to be "it's Allowed". However it clearly violates the EULA. "3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play." Seems clear that if you are using it to facilitate faster acquisition of items, it shouldn't be a grey area, it should be a breach of the EULA. However, in the interest of facilitating CCP making more money, the rules seem to bend around it... read what you quoted from the eula. it clearly doesn't violate it. Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!)


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