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PhazerHawk
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Posted - 2003.07.19 02:00:00 -
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I just lost .5 million isk right in front of me.. That sucks
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EaglesFire
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Posted - 2003.07.19 02:04:00 -
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Then don't be stupid. Don't put ore in a jettision can!
PS: It is NOT stealing if you throw it away, ie JETTISION!
Sorry for the flame, but come on, there must be 100 posts about this, and the DEV's came right out and said that taking ore from a jet can is ok.
Edited by: EaglesFire on 19/07/2003 02:05:31
"Knowledge is power, and the uninformed SHALL be punished!"
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.07.19 03:37:00 -
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500,000 isk worth of ore? Please fill us all in on what the thief was in and which ore you were mining. 0.5M just sounds like an exaggeration.
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PhazerHawk
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Posted - 2003.07.19 05:22:00 -
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EF..I can understand a person taking the cargo if they dont know who's it is..but..that's not the case. They knew it was mine.. They knew I was the one that mined it.I dont think the devs meant it the way you put it..
Lola.. I had over 50k of pyro in the container and 35k of it was taken before my pick up ship could get there. So do the math ..
Edited by: PhazerHawk on 19/07/2003 05:37:35
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Ehxo
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Posted - 2003.07.19 06:33:00 -
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The world is full of dishonorable people, so is EVE. There's no good without bad, that's the whole balance of Ying and Yang...
So basically, it's your fault for leaving a cargo unattended like this with too much ore in it. I would personally do it if I had an indi, and I saw a loner mining in a very high sec sector putting thousands of more units in a cargo. It sucks, yes, but it's part of life.
Would you leave your wallet opened on the sidewalk in the middle of New York City while you read a magazine on a bench? No...
Well the same goes in EVE when you mine alone. If you don't have an industrial, or you aren't accompanied by an industrial ship that haul as you spit it out... then don't be stupid and equip cargo expanders, and empty your hold in the station when it's full. Period.
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Blood Silver
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Posted - 2003.07.19 06:53:00 -
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why dont you just install 1 weapon
you can see clear as day if sombody is gonna be a theif right in front of you
they start to approach pop the can !
i would rather do that then let some git take it
same things for npc pirate hunting
if a few players pop in belt and then start approaching all your crate's let rip pop the lot of them
we hear your screams and we try to answer them ok... next |
Lola
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Posted - 2003.07.19 07:42:00 -
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Ok, so it was actually closer to 400k worth of ore. That makes more sence. Did they do that in 2 trips? They'd need an iteron MK5 with good expanders or a bestower with good expanders and high skills to pull that off in one trip. It sucks you got your ore stolen dude. I find myself wondering how I would deal with an ore theif when I'm out there mining. The only thing you can do is have an indy close by hauling the whole time I guess.
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Doppelganger
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Posted - 2003.07.19 08:01:00 -
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I for one would at least appreciate the option to have my corp members fire at the offending individual, as it stands, someone can walk in, take ore, and then YOU are punished for firing at the sucker.
If anything must change, that is it. It's just plain silly to have theft be protected by a legal entity like CONCORD.
As for those who feel that just because I sent the material into space right next to me that it becomes essentially public domain, I'd like you to try stealing a car just because someone doesn't have it parked in their garage. (I just found it on the street, so obviously it's free for anyone to take)
Of course, the awaited vaporware secure containers would help a lot....
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Vidar Kentoran
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Posted - 2003.07.19 08:54:00 -
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People abuse a feature of the game for lazy ore gathering instead of picking the stuff up regularly with an indy, and then complain when it comes back to bite them...
And you expect CCP to fix your problem for you? LOL!
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Harald Sworddew
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Posted - 2003.07.19 09:04:00 -
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you _jettison_ (have a look at a dictionary for the exact meaning of this word) your ore. you don't create a safe deposit box with your name on it. use a lockable container but STOP whining about the bad bad thiefes which stole all your ore. you are greedy, you jettison your ore to space to get it later with your indu? fine, but live with the consequences.
if somebody walks along a street, showing everybody his wallet with 10.000eur and then throwing it away.. should this one whine because somebody pick up the money and walk away?
i hope ccp will not change this, because this would turn eve finally to a mining-simulation for greedy, whining players. and i'm expecting that they won't change this, because they say more then one time that players should use lockable containers.
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.07.19 09:08:00 -
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Tuff... use a Indy. or hope for a passworded cargo container
Edited by: GraveDigger on 19/07/2003 09:19:08
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yarr
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Posted - 2003.07.19 18:34:00 -
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spewing your ore into space so you can mine more is just a side-effect of greed.
As are ore thieves.
If someone hadn't come on the forum complaining how easy it was to theive ore, but instead put forward an exploit petition, this could have all been swept under the carpet, but NOOOO.
Someone (not this post, weeks ago, when this started) decided to shout their gob off about it, and now everybody knows that ore stealing is not only easy, but sanctioned by the rulers of the universe.
Tonight I will be on another mission of mercy, trying to get 30k to buy my kiddies their medicine. As I have no gun, and no money, I have to resort to begging, and maybe pickpocketing. I don't need this 400,000k pish though, just enough.
I fear I may be attacked again. But I'm just a poor lady trying to get some money to feed her kids. Is that so wrong?
Time will tell.
Edited by: yarr on 19/07/2003 18:34:17
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.07.19 18:43:00 -
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Ore thieves encourage people to work together when mining (for example, 3 miners, 1 industrial) instead of being lazy and mining, docking and getting your own industrial to haul.
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Guardian334
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Posted - 2003.07.19 19:07:00 -
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Hey here's an idea; don't mine in downtown?
Option B, stand in the middle of the communal asteroid belts right off the interstate and ***** about how the people who are ALL AROUND YOU bother with you.
Remember, Option A, find quiet place.
Option B, ***** and be wrong.
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PhazerHawk
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Posted - 2003.07.19 19:47:00 -
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Ok..Guess I was a bit piff when the ore got stold.. I hadn't gave it too much thought until it happen to me.Anyway.. I'm glad nobody cares if thier ore gets stold.. so now I can go and steal that much ore back.. :)
cya guys in space
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Muacha
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Posted - 2003.07.19 19:56:00 -
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Sure, steal away....that is if you can find anyone else stupid enough to jettison it and not have a fellow corp mate, indy pilot there to pick it up. I mean come on!! You had to have known this was a possibility. Now since someone stole your ore, you come on here whining about it??? Please....use your head!!! Anything you jetison is fair game whether or not your sitting by the container.
Does that mean I'm a thief?? No, if I see ppl that are stupid enough to do this I just leave them be. I'll make my isks elsewhere...AND....I know there are plenty of theives out there to end this idiotic practice. Stop whining and accept your loss.
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Endureth
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Posted - 2003.07.19 20:00:00 -
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So go steal someone else's ore, what's the problem?
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Thaddius Engle
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Posted - 2003.07.20 05:48:00 -
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One thing that can help protect yer cargo if you need to solo mine in a high sec place... do a little legwork to prepare.
I generally set up a warp point somewhere in the asteroid field that will drop me out of warp outside the arc of the circle. I mine there and fill in a can at most 1 indy load (does not take long with a thorax and drones). Then I can just pick up my indy and go haul it in, with the warp point setup, I'll drop from warp on top of the can.
If I see a thief creeping my way in an indy, I can just warp back to the station and come back with my indy. Usually can beat them back to it ;-)
Another thing people can do is jettison cans on the different ends of the belt with 1 scordite in them. We had a thief crawling back and forth across a roid field in his bestower today. Was kind of funny to watch. He didn't even take the 1 scordite. :p |
Zeknichov
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Posted - 2003.07.20 09:00:00 -
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If you want something fixed the best way to fix it is to abuse it. Go out and start stealing other people's ore.
I agree this shouldn't be allowed. You should be allowed to shoot them. Going back to that car example so your saying that if I drive a car to work then get it stolen it's a side effect for being lazy and not walking to work?
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.20 09:22:00 -
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Way to go, Thaddius. Glad to see someone is using their noodle for more than just making complaints :)
So people, as Thad says, with a little effort, you can avoid this sort of trouble.
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As for the car example, no, it's not right, but it happens. Does this mean you are allowed to slaughter the thief?
And if you knew your car was totally unsecured before you left it there, would you be surprised?
Edited by: drunkenmaster on 20/07/2003 09:24:38
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Rymar Vortox
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Posted - 2003.07.20 10:11:00 -
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Use an indy and only mine as much as your indy can carry at a time or mine where there isn't much traffic and few other players arround.
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Nemis Godslayer
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Posted - 2003.07.20 10:32:00 -
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I was so glad when they got rid of the permanent containers with people's names attached...the whole place was filling up with junk. But it led to this 'my container' crap. Its in space for everyone to see, tough luck... This whole stealing thing is getting riducules, if you dont want it stole/blown to hell, dont leave it in space.. Easy fix within the player base control... I'll be ****ed if CCP waste time even addressing this issue, fix the real problems.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.07.20 10:35:00 -
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Zeknichov, the police would still come get you if you shot the thief who stole your car.
Edited by: PropanElgen on 20/07/2003 10:35:05
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Dan Forever
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Posted - 2003.07.20 11:21:00 -
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Do you really think CCP gave people ships that could equip multiple mining lasers and drones? They would have made mining lasers a seperate kind of placement if not.
I don't want pirates to dissappear completely, I want to be able to defend my cargo. (I had ore stolen from me yesterday, even though I had a corp mate in a bestower hauling for me).
If someone steals something of yours, would the police defend them? I just want to be able to webify and scramble thieves.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.20 13:55:00 -
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Sadly, Dan, the police *do* protect thieves. Both in real life and the game.
They are innocent until proven guilty, and the only thing concord can prove people guilty of right now is firing upon someone.
Work around it until they make it nice and safe.
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.07.21 04:42:00 -
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For those of you who are arguing that the issue of one being able to take ore from another's cargo container, realize that your whining due to carelessness might end up destroying the ability to mine/jettison while an industrial scoops.
Don't let your foolish actions affect everybody; stop whining.
And as for CONCORD protecting thieves et cetra, look at it this way: if you're in a bar and someone steals your wallet, and you pull a gun and shoot at the thief, the cops are going to show up and arrest you whether you were innocent of crime or not. Gun use isn't allowed at bars, just as is isn't allowed in secure space (hence 'secure'). CONCORD is doing us all a favor by arresting/disabling those who use lethal force in high-security areas.
If noone was arrested/disabled for shooting randomly in high-sec, I'd just approach industrial ships, sit 100m behind them, lock onto an asteroid (or something else) in front of them, and fire missiles until the cargo spilled forth.
The moral of the story is this: There's no reason you should have that much ore floating in a cargo container period. There is also no reason that you should put others in favorable position to steal it. Use your mind and you'll accomplish what you want to get done without getting stolen from.
P.S.: Did this happen a couple nights ago in a system starting with "T"? I think I'm the one who robbed you.
Edited by: Xenovetica on 21/07/2003 04:43:09
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Cara 'Than
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Posted - 2003.07.21 10:04:00 -
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Set up multiple Containers in the center of the belt and some right within the belt.
Only u know which one holds the ore.
Besides indies get quite easily stuck in a field if they hit an asteroid.
Just a thought.
Edited by: Cara 'Than on 21/07/2003 10:04:36
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Colibri
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Posted - 2003.07.21 18:46:00 -
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If you want to do non-stop mine-n-haul(tm) in high security space, you really need two haulers so there is no lapse in hauling coverage to prevent container theft.
Otherwise, you need to stop jettisoning when the indy is near capacity.
There are definitely ways to handle can theft if you think creatively about how to prevent them with the tools at your disposal.
Too bad cans can't be rigged to explode when people open them. :) That would introduce all sorts of fun for everyone.
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Krait
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Posted - 2003.07.21 21:42:00 -
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Very little constructive in the way of suggestions here. I would venture to say that the vast majority of miners recognize it as a problem and most a**holes recognize it as an exploit to protect.
As it is, the only really useful solution would be a password protected expandable temporary can. However, I would go with it being an act of aggression if someone takes something from your can you you can attack without a cop or security hit. Sorta like the way they flag being scrambled or webbed.
Making analogies to real life is a bunch of crap...this isn't real life.
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.22 07:56:00 -
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Im a miner and I dont see it as a problem, since you have to be stupid to not see the solution.
1. Dont mine alone. Get people from corps to fly a indie, or hire someone to fly the indie/mine for you.
2. Dont mine in secure space...theres 4000 systems which aint having these kind of problems.
3. Wait with mining till secure containers hits the world.
I nor my corporation, have ever had any problems with this, since we take precautions before mining. So it cant really be that big a problem.
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