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Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
16
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Posted - 2013.03.01 11:45:00 -
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So... a Wanted sign ruined this guy's day?
I like feeling Wanted. With a capital W.
Anyway:
A bounty system in EVE simply doesn't work. We capsulers are all immortal, and most of us who are into the game are very tolerant of material loss. A huge bounty only marginally encourages ganking of the target. Maybe u meet me in high-sec... it'll only be worth your while to suicide gank me if you know I'm wearing expensive implants, or have expensive fits. And if I'm in low or null sec, I know I'm going to die anyway, and I simply don't care.
The only people who post bounties are people who feel that a bounty could somehow motivate others to do their pvp for them, and are too poor to hire real mercs, or are simply ignorant of how griefing and pvp occurs in the game. And these same people get all riled up when 100k token bounties are placed on them because they feel that it somehow makes a difference.
Judging from the insane amounts of isk thrown into the bounty system, it does seem that many people do indeed place their hope, trust, and the whole basis of their in-game defense in being able to put money on someone's head. It's a hilarious state of affairs that's ripe for tear collection.
The bounty system in no way helps people who need others to defend them. Therefore it is broken. Otherwise, I suppose it marginally affects pvp. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni:
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
570
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:25:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:The bounty system in no way helps people who need others to defend them. Therefore it is broken
You're operating under a completely false and self-invented premise.
The bounty system isn't about helping people who need others to defend them. It's just another tool for interaction between pilots and organization. In that sense it has been a brilliant success. It's major limitation is that the payout percentage needs to be kept low because of the difficulties around valuing destroyed items in ways that prevent exploiting the system.
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
723
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Posted - 2013.03.01 21:22:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Judging from the insane amounts of isk thrown into the bounty system, it does seem that many people do indeed place their hope, trust, and the whole basis of their in-game defense in being able to put money on someone's head. It's a hilarious state of affairs that's ripe for tear collection.
Hardly. I've put 400 mil bounties on pilots because it amused me. Nathan Jameson for CSM 8! My CSM 8 Blog My Twitter |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
503
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Posted - 2013.03.03 02:41:00 -
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Bantara wrote:It is quite clear from the content of WheatGrass's posts that he is concerned with the immersion or rp-value of having a "high security status" pilot--thus a 'good guy'--with a "WANTED" status placed on him by a law enforcement agency. It has nothing to do with being shot at (that he has said.) It has nothing to do with being insulated from other players(that he has said.) It has everything to do with how he likes to play Eve(and likely any other MMO)--with a focus on setting, lore, and/or roleplaying. And instead of calmly stating that CCP has already said they aren't going to worry about making some kind of distinction between a criminal bounty and what one might interpret as a "hit" placed on a 'good guy's' head, several people disrespected the player for his preference. Not even an acknowledgement that his style is in the minority and that he's going to have to adjust, and not to throw such a tizzy about it.
If one cannot deal with a player and his preferences in the game professionally and with respect--as minority or different from one's own as they may be--then that CSM candidate doesn't make my list of STVs.
The WANTED status is not placed on him by a law enforcement agency.
The WANTED status is placed on him by a law enforcement agency on behalf of another pilot willing to pay to have the target killed, and the law enforcement agency, charged as it is with regulating combat in Empire space between capsuleers, is continuing its regulatory role by managing this.
It's a critical difference, and the issue the OP (and many who share his attitude) arises out of not understanding this. There is no distinction between a criminal bounty and what one might interpret as a "hit" because a "hit" is all they are; criminal bounties for players do not exist in the game. Consequently, a bounty does not mean you are a bad person, it means that someone else is willing to pay to make you dead. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
WheatGrass
32
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Posted - 2013.03.03 05:35:00 -
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I'm still here. -Just feeding the skill queue to make the bio-massing more glorious.
I'm not into the role-playing scene -just playing Eve the way I want and usually minding my own business. My understanding of the bounty system is adequate. No explanations as to why there's a "WANTED" sign on this toon are required.
If a criminal placed a public advertisement requesting that I be murdered and offered money for the accomplishment of that task, then I suspect that, at least a small number of people would be concerned -including local law enforcement types. Such behavior would not be acceptable in a civilized nation, state, or federation. So, I reject the bounty system as it is currently implemented.
For those who have placed bounties upon me and those possibly considering it... I'm a bit disturbed that you'd tie up your hard-earned ISK on my account. I hope you do get your ISK back when this toon is bio-massed -if that's the way things work. You've created a distracting sense of obligation and duty within me. I'd rather you saved yourself the trouble though. Unfortunately, I'm not ambitious enough to arrange for some sort of interest-bearing bounty reward for you. You are entitled to place bounties. I'm in agreement with that and will not retaliate. My retaliation is towards CCP. I would find it difficult to believe to learn that CCP employees have never heard of the saying, let sleeping dogs lie or don't stir up the hornets nest or other pertinent parables -especially Don't bite the hand that feeds you. CCP has violated all of these ideals with the current implementation of the bounty system.
What day, exactly, is the Party at the Top of the World? I'd hate to miss my own appointment.
I'll try to place my CSM vote one last time before the end.
Thank you and fly safe. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
578
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Posted - 2013.03.03 06:42:00 -
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Unless the bounty system leads to more subs and content than it removes, in which case your parable-based value system goes out the window (as in most cases in an advanced industrial economy where you aren't dealing with toddlers). |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
505
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Posted - 2013.03.03 15:51:00 -
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WheatGrass wrote:If a criminal placed a public advertisement requesting that I be murdered and offered money for the accomplishment of that task, then I suspect that, at least a small number of people would be concerned -including local law enforcement types. Such behavior would not be acceptable in a civilized nation, state, or federation. So, I reject the bounty system as it is currently implemented.
Who says it's a criminal? The character I placed the bounty on you with is a Minmatar in good standing with the Caldari State and a whole host of corporations within it, as well as both good standings towards CONCORD and a high security status. In RP terms, you raised the ire of a wealthy businessman.
Insofar as whether a "civilized nation, state or federation" would allow such a thing, well... the Empires would love to be able to control the capsuleers outright, I'm sure, but how do you control a demigod? Oh, sure, some remain loyal within the navies, but many, perhaps even most, strike out on their own seeking a degree of independence. While I'm sure some Empires would love to forbid such "barbaric" practices as bounties or wars between capsuleers, banning them o simply means capsuleers within their borders leave to take up residence outside empire space (bad as it's hard to leverage an asset outside your realm), leave to take up residence within another Empire (even worse, as it means a foe now has a potential asset), or simply ignores the laws and does what they will anyway (worst of all, as laws that are ignored lose their legitimacy, as do the governments issuing them.)
When viewed in that light, allowing tightly controlled conflict between capsuleers (wardecs) or death marks from one to another (bounties) is greatly preferable. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1729
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Posted - 2013.03.04 07:27:00 -
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WheatGrass wrote:I'm still here. -Just feeding the skill queue to make the bio-massing more glorious.
I'm not into the role-playing scene -just playing Eve the way I want and usually minding my own business. My understanding of the bounty system is adequate. No explanations as to why there's a "WANTED" sign on this toon are required.
If a criminal placed a public advertisement requesting that I be murdered and offered money for the accomplishment of that task, then I suspect that, at least a small number of people would be concerned -including local law enforcement types. Such behavior would not be acceptable in a civilized nation, state, or federation. So, I reject the bounty system as it is currently implemented.
For those who have placed bounties upon me and those possibly considering it... I'm a bit disturbed that you'd tie up your hard-earned ISK on my account. I hope you do get your ISK back when this toon is bio-massed -if that's the way things work. You've created a distracting sense of obligation and duty within me. I'd rather you saved yourself the trouble though. Unfortunately, I'm not ambitious enough to arrange for some sort of interest-bearing bounty reward for you. You are entitled to place bounties. I'm in agreement with that and will not retaliate. My retaliation is towards CCP. I would find it difficult to believe to learn that CCP employees have never heard of the saying, let sleeping dogs lie or don't stir up the hornets nest or other pertinent parables -especially Don't bite the hand that feeds you. CCP has violated all of these ideals with the current implementation of the bounty system.
What day, exactly, is the Party at the Top of the World? I'd hate to miss my own appointment.
I'll try to place my CSM vote one last time before the end.
Thank you and fly safe. Just thought I would check you do know that unless you are flying something expensive a bounty don't mean crap right? EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7953
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Posted - 2013.03.04 07:59:00 -
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And even then it's OK as long as it's fitted with a tank and it's not too expensive. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2138
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Posted - 2013.03.04 17:28:00 -
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Cool, in addition to biomassing your character you're also making a complete fool out of yourself :D
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
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Bantara
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.03.04 22:12:00 -
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WheatGrass wrote:No explanations as to why there's a "WANTED" sign on this toon are required. If a criminal placed a public advertisement requesting that I be murdered and offered money for the accomplishment of that task, then I suspect that, at least a small number of people would be concerned -including local law enforcement types. Such behavior would not be acceptable in a civilized nation, state, or federation. So, I reject the bounty system as it is currently implemented. Then I am at a complete loss. I don't understand your issue at all. I mean, if you're a new player and you didn't know this, it makes sense, but you don't sound new.
mynnna wrote:--the option to be immune from actions of other players is not and should not be part of EVE. And, frankly, if you don't like that, I don't think I want to make your ballot, thank you very much. I'm fairly sure you don't want to make my ballot, though I never supported nor suggested immunity from others' actions. |
WheatGrass
32
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:56:00 -
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Roime wrote:Cool, in addition to biomassing your character you're also making a complete fool out of yourself :D Your tolerance for disrespect is greater than mine. I'm not confident that the trait is admirable. Irregardless, I'm not so vested in this game to admit that my participation has been mostly a waste of time and not appreciated by CCP.
I'm still looking for the calendar date for the Party at the Top of the World. Should anyone find out, please let me know. Otherwise I'll be getting these bounties back to their owners earlier than originally planned.
Thank you and have a great day. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
660
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:50:00 -
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So when the time comes are you going to actually delete your character or are you going to be another Krixtal Icefluxor, hanging around, whining about things in highsec and threatening to quit, but never actually doing so? Mynnna for CSM8 |
WheatGrass
32
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Posted - 2013.03.24 03:04:00 -
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mynnna wrote:So when the time comes are you going to actually delete your character or are you going to be another Krixtal Icefluxor, hanging around, whining about things in highsec and threatening to quit, but never actually doing so?
You may look for this toon in-game after Fan Fest 2013. If you see or don't see me, there will be your answer.
Good luck to you with your CSM campaign. |
CorryBasler
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
10
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:37:00 -
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I love how mad the high sec pubbies get when they have bounties.
I sit in jita on my price check alt and add 100k to random people, and the hate mail i receive is great. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3003
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Posted - 2013.03.24 15:09:00 -
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Some mental issue ... |
Nikel-N-Dime
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 07:33:00 -
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WheatGrass is terminated. Richard Fore, the alt, is also terminated. I'm the last alt.
Characters of the 2nd account of WheatGrass have been added to the bio-mass queue.
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Some of you don't get it or just can't read. The issue is not with bounties. It is with the defacing of public figures.
To those at CCP who made Eve Online a really great game, the last thoughts of WheatGrass were of appreciation. To those who decided to belittle customers with defacement, well, that's just sad.
--- As the final toon of WheatGrass, I may stick around until after fanfest but likely not later than May when this account expires.
--- To those who placed the generous bounties, I hope you get them back. If not, please create petitions. Best wishes to you. |
Rock Zappa
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 07:40:00 -
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Powered by Bacon is terminated -a toon on the second account of WheatGrass. Hurtinator, an alt, is in the biomass queue. I'm the primary toon of the second account.
---Edit P.S. CSM votes were made from both accounts for the current election. Good luck to you, CSM candidates. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8826
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Posted - 2013.04.11 08:34:00 -
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Oh no some 0 SP posting alts have been biomassed this is the end Malcanis' Law:-á "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1167
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Posted - 2013.04.11 20:42:00 -
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I think it's very courageous of Wheatgrass to wait to give CCP gobs of RL money for FanFest before biomassing his character OR not biomassing his character and never being able to live down his public display of hysterics "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
916
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Posted - 2013.04.12 04:42:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/uPG1Css.png
He did, in fact, biomass his character.
e: That said, a check of Evewho shows that none of the other five characters he mentioned are in Doomheim, so I'll have to go with Malcanis on this one, for now. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
153
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Posted - 2013.04.12 06:20:00 -
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WheatGrass wrote:If a criminal placed a public advertisement requesting that I be murdered and offered money for the accomplishment of that task, then I suspect that, at least a small number of people would be concerned -including local law enforcement types. Such behavior would not be acceptable in a civilized nation, state, or federation. So, I reject the bounty system as it is currently implemented.
You need to read the lore.
The Amarr government would do this by church decree without batting an eye.
The Caldari megacorps do this as a matter of course - it's just business.
The Minmatar are so overrun by underground criminal elements and tribal concerns that no one will do anything about it unless it's a highly-placed government figure. Then they will declare blood feud, effectively placing a bounty on a whole other group.
The Gallente will pretend to be that way, but the Black Eagles are just a nicely-dressed hit squad.
New Eden is not a nice, "civilized" place. Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planet Authority James Arget for CSM8! |
Zappity
Kurved Space
39
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:10:00 -
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But... But... Where's MY bounty? How come OP got to have all the fun! I'm going to bounty all of you next time I'm online just to teach you a lesson.
OP (or whatever alt), just out of curiosity do you have a problem with a bounty being put on someone who deserves it? And if not, who are you to judge that YOU did not deserve it? Maybe you annoyed a fellow miner by stealing his asteroid (or however mining works).
But best of all, "civilised nation"? That is the most hilarious description of EVE I have ever read. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Frying Doom
2406
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Posted - 2013.04.12 13:14:00 -
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Zappity wrote:But best of all, "civilised nation"? That is the most hilarious description of EVE I have ever read. Just wait till you see the barbarians of EvE Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Rock Zappa
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.13 15:59:00 -
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Nickle-N-Dime, the last character of this player's first of two accounts, is in the biomass queue. Rock Zappa, the last character of this player's second of two accounts is also in the queue. This is also the only toon left that I somewhat care about.
Now it's time to wait for CCP and fanfest to see if any humility, sanity, and decency still exist within the management of the company.
For clarification, I'm not attending fanfest -just waiting for it to happen to learn of any new developments.
I hope your day is nice. |
Rock Zappa
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.04.24 18:22:00 -
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Nickle-N-Dime is gone. No toons remain on the initial account. I'm all that's left on the last account -with less than five days remaining.
I hope you have fun at fanfest. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
708
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Posted - 2013.04.24 18:52:00 -
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Did you really think this would work?
Are you twelve? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8826
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Posted - 2013.04.24 19:55:00 -
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Holding his breath until he gets what he wants apparently works on his parents, why won't it work on us? Malcanis' Law:-á "Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."
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Galdrak
Interplanetary Trade Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.25 19:40:00 -
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i know what you were trying to do dude but you're just not that important, sorry to be the one to tell you this but ccp are going to let you do as you say and lament your passing for about 10 seconds and move on. you cant change anything by killing yourself, ask the flaming monks. you thought your threat and ultimate death of your accounts would move ccp to change the bounty system. as you can see your dead and the bounty system has not changed good luck playing wow |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1055
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Posted - 2013.04.25 21:50:00 -
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bye |
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