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Somnorific
The Evocati
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:06:00 -
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Hi.
Sort of new and havent experienced many ships as of yet.
I hear the word Tengu mentioned quite a bit in the OP lands.
Since im Gallente and training for a Proteus Im trying to figure out the main differences between such ships.
I understand modules will have something to do with this but want to understand the main differences between such ships and mods they will fit.
What makes this ship such a different T3 ship?
Many thanks- |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:08:00 -
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tengu uses missiles proteus mainly blasters
proteus is armour tanked tengu is shield tanked
theres 2 to start you off |
Somnorific
The Evocati
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:15:00 -
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would you say that the OP argument is more geared toward PVP or is it across the board a better ship to use? |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:24:00 -
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Tengu, from my experience, was (not so sure now) one of the top Five mission boats to use (pve). With the recent missile nerf/buff/whatever it really isn't so much any more.
The Proteus gets raves from many as a great PVP boat, but I don't have any experience with the Proteus in PVP (I'm averse to using a 1bil isk boat in pvp). I'm sure there's plenty of threads out here on Proteus PVP if you just use the Search function.
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Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.22 23:06:00 -
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I hear the Proteus is good for wormholes, but for the rest of pve the Tengu has an edge.
However since you're new, I wouldn't hop in to any of these yet. Especially for pvp because you really want to know what you're doing when you put a billion+ ISK ship on the line. |
Cap James Tkirk
Magellan Corporation
Fracture Point
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Posted - 2013.02.23 00:39:00 -
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fly them on the test server and get a feel for them, see which you like better. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1171
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Posted - 2013.02.23 05:12:00 -
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The differences?
Like between night and day? Oil and water? |
Sodohm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.23 05:55:00 -
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Somnorific wrote:Hi.
What makes this ship such a different T3 ship?
Many thanks-
What you're basically asking is what is the difference between a drake and a brutix. If you can answer that question, you can answer you OP question. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2013.02.23 07:25:00 -
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Proteus = cloaky gank.
It's the only t3 that can put out more than 500 dps with covops sub. There's also the brick tank and interdiction nullifier. You select your target, uncloak on top of it, pop it, and be gone before help arrives.
Tengu honestly isn't much good. Tank is paper think, and actual dps is bad. The only use is with 100mn gemmick, and then it just makes you hard to pin down. With missile dmg application being what it is, you don't kill with it, it just helps you from getting away. The blobbers whining about it are just mad that they didn't get the expensive km, not that they got popped by it. Unless smacking after getting away from the blob is your thing, don't bother.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.02.23 07:36:00 -
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Well, it's not the only cloaky C3 that can pump over 500 dps, even Tengu can do that. But it's the only thing with a covert ops cloak doing over 650 dps with 120K+ EHP.
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Rammes lol
USMG ExFor
WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.02.23 09:05:00 -
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i fly both use the tengu for PVE and my pro for PVP. not saying the tengu cant pvp this is jjust my preference
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Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
Bora Alis
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Posted - 2013.02.23 10:17:00 -
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Train both ships or buy character.
Proteus for burning cyno's
And tengu for other tasks. |
Somnorific
The Evocati
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Posted - 2013.02.23 19:57:00 -
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thx for the useful info-
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Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
Quixotic Hegemony
60
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Posted - 2013.02.24 16:24:00 -
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Im gonna tell you something I was told early on in my EvE career:
If you dont know, then you arent ready to fly either one. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
777
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Posted - 2013.02.24 17:25:00 -
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Korvus Falek wrote:Im gonna tell you something I was told early on in my EvE career:
If you dont know, then you arent ready to fly either one.
People who don't know and don't ask will never know. Welcome to Eve, permanoob.
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Akara Ito
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.24 17:39:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Korvus Falek wrote:Im gonna tell you something I was told early on in my EvE career:
If you dont know, then you arent ready to fly either one. People who don't know and don't ask will never know. Welcome to Eve, permanoob.
Its not that hard to figure out things yourself and while asking is also a lot better than "permanoob" its still correct that you shouldnt fly ships you dont understand.
Though in this case one can probably sum it up with Tengu for pve and Proteus for pvp. |
Somnorific
The Evocati
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Posted - 2013.02.24 19:56:00 -
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Logic dictates me-
now this community is pretty good but like many, is also full of internet ego warriors.
'not that hard to figure out yourself' is a pretty egoistic comment.
I find it interesting that I shouldnt fly ships I dont understand and need to figure the ship out for myself.
Just asking a serious question such as the difference between two t3 cruisers, not being able to fly one yet but, training for one specifically.
Im curious, at what point can I fly one?
after Ive done all my theory homework and without asking teachers for guidance?
I do appreciate all the serious, non egoistic replies in this thread. You have given this noob a good reference point.
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Keith Gavner
OBC
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.24 21:01:00 -
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T3 cruisers such as the proteus and tengu are long term goal for you atm. As you already noticed, I refered to them as T3. The ship you fly are mostly t1. They are pretty versatile and forgiving. On the other hand ships such as t2 and t3 are not. They require you to fit them for one specific purpose where they will excel.
To give you an exemple, let's have a look at the proteus. The proteus is a t3 which plenty of different subsystems. Let say we want to fit it as a very heavy tackler. We will choose the augmented armor defensive subsystem, the localized injector propulsion subsystem and the electronic friction grav whatever.
Those 3 subs will provide you with a good defensive setup and a longer range point. So you can tackle this poor pilot and stay on the field close to him long enough for your buddies to blast him away.
If you ever wanted to do the same with a tengu, well you do have an equivalent subsystems that will increase your shield buffer tank but it will be inferior to the proteus and there just isn't a subsystems that will increase your point range.
So far, I pointed out that ship can be designed to fit specific niche. The next thing is that the t3 are supposed to be quintessence of their racial specialties. You must look at the t3 as mix between the recon and hac ship.
Gallente's recon specialties is increased range for points. Hence the gallente t3 has a subsystem for that. On the other hand, the caldari are specialized in ecm and so the tengu has a subsystems for that. ( I have rarely seen ecm tengu, just saw one loss for an armor tanked ecm tengu, go figure...).
So once again, t3 are specialized and so what the other tried to point out with more or less subtlety is that if you don't know what you want to do with them, you will get frustrated when you can fly them. Flying a t3 is a long term investment and just realizing that you trained for a ship you have no use for is really uncool.
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Somnorific
The Evocati
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Posted - 2013.02.24 21:08:00 -
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at the very least, the prereq for a prot gives me an advantage to the ships I currently can fly.
I guess im just doing my homework prior to flying.
thx for the info. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2013.02.24 21:25:00 -
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Proteus excels at a specific niche of pvp, that's cloaky gank. It's the solo roamer's boat. The only way to both solo and win these days. If you select your targets well, you will never lose it.
Fit it any other way, and you'll soon run into the typical blasterboat issues. I wouldn't fit it as a "heavy tackler." Cheap boats do better for less and without the SP loss.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.02.24 21:42:00 -
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It also excels as an armor brawler in logi gangs, cruiser sig with battleship tank and dps. And no, cheaper ships don't have +200K EHP with extended point range, so it's pretty much the king of heavy tackle.
But yeah, it's awesome in cloaky pew, solo or small gang, prevalent in w-space. Here's a related Ironic km http://shivafurnace.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16328268, note the victim's corp name.
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chris elliot
EG CORP
Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:23:00 -
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Roime wrote:It also excels as an armor brawler in logi gangs, cruiser sig with battleship tank and dps. And no, cheaper ships don't have +200K EHP with extended point range, so it's pretty much the king of heavy tackle. But yeah, it's awesome in cloaky pew, solo or small gang, prevalent in w-space. Here's a related Ironic km http://shivafurnace.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16328268, note the victim's corp name.
Link fail.
I will attempt to answer the OP's question with a little satire to make the point a bit more clear for the uninitiated. With the hopes that the ISD's won't edit it.
A tengu is like those african street fighters you see pictures of holding their ak's over their heads and firing from really funny stances. They like to keep as much distance between themselves and the things they are shooting at as possible and will run quite fast if that distance is compromised. Death by them usually comes from a long way off and chasing them often ends in frustration or bleeding out. Something not entirely unlike this image.
A proteus however is like those sorts of people that sneak up behind women and men in the parking garage. And, once on top of their intended targets, proceed to do terrible terrible things to them while they flail and scream and struggle rather pointlessly against their assailants. Once these assailants start their deed they are largely committed to finishing it. Running away is generally not what they do as they are rather slow and fat. I am quite sure you all are capable of generating the mental imagery for that one on your own. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2080
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:31:00 -
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Killboard links never work directly on these forums, r-click and open in new tab.
Accurate description :)
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.25 13:48:00 -
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Roime wrote:Killboard links never work directly on these forums, r-click and open in new tab.
Accurate description :)
The irony, no words only laughter. |
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2013.02.25 16:51:00 -
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I would also say they are both very SP intensive to fly properly.
One of my characters is just coming up to 19mil SP, I have trained him from scratch specifically focused only towards a Proteus, and personally I don't think he's ready to pvp in a Proteus for quite a while yet, but as always YMMV.
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Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
100
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Posted - 2013.02.25 19:08:00 -
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I will simply refer any new player to the adage-- don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
A T3 is damned expensive. You should have a reason to be in one, because it's a shining beacon for every ganker that sees it on D-Scan. If it's for PvE, it'll take a heck of a lot of low level missions to access the high level ones, that will still take a lot of to pay for a T3.....you can risk it in high payout low sec missions (or wormholes), or never pay it off in high sec PvE.
If it's for PvP, then by the time you can afford/fly one, you'll be answering questions on the forums, not asking them. |
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