cus invading a c5 sounds like so much fun. hope you give them a good show, I like what they do.

their doomed-to-fail -plan to attack us

I remember a C5 invasion that was much more interesting than any of the C6 invasions I've been in ...

whkills.info

Well everyone is fully aware of that epic invasion :P I'm just saying its a lot of work.

Yeah, I'm just being nice since Exhale wasn't there

Greetings to fellow wormhole dwellers!

We seem to have a bad case of Bitten.-alliance infestation in one of our wormholes. Nothing we can't handle by ourselves, but you might me interested to know, that according to our spies in their home wormhole the apparent majority of their fleet seems to have been vacated their home wormhole to pursue their doomed-to-fail -plan to attack us, thus leaving their home system vulnerable.

Please let us know if you're taking this opportunity to exploit their vulnerable position. We're following your walk through J104846 as soon as we've dealt with this immediate pest situation.

Fly Safe!

Subscribing to this thread with popcorn in hand, wait will they bite my popcorn?

I hope the popcorn is good, because so far the system of interest seems dreadfully boring: 11bite deads vs a tower

J152550

When I was in there there were still a few towers that had not been reinforced so its possible that they will figure something out before they run out of towers. Awful lot of floating orcas and freighters to be seen as well though.

We talking about invading C5's? You have my attention...

Don't worry put your fraps crew away its not you today.

Damn, we were hoping for some more footage...NEEDS MORE B-ROLL

Why you leave?

Never not get in on the fun.

Confirming Bite me. does not know how to fight back and has no batphones.

Greetings to fellow wormhole dwellers!

We seem to have a bad case of Bitten.-alliance infestation in one of our wormholes. Nothing we can't handle by ourselves, but you might me interested to know, that according to our spies in their home wormhole the apparent majority of their fleet seems to have been vacated their home wormhole to pursue their doomed-to-fail -plan to attack us, thus leaving their home system vulnerable.

Please let us know if you're taking this opportunity to exploit their vulnerable position. We're following your walk through J104846 as soon as we've dealt with this immediate pest situation.

Fly Safe!

Nothing we can't handle by ourselves

I'm just going to leave this here.


Edit:
And this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpfQSqfpuac&noredirect=1

Batphones everyone

http://arcli.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16278492

looks to me like they handled themselves pretty well. By the way your killboard appears to be out of date, it doesnt show any of the losses on it

http://arcli.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16278492

looks to me like they handled themselves pretty well. By the way your killboard appears to be out of date, it doesnt show any of the losses on it

Use the page control at the bottom if you want to see things from 3 weeks ago.

you know I never even looked at the date, so definitely my bad. I cant seem to find the most recent fight though :\

you know I never even looked at the date, so definitely my bad. I cant seem to find the most recent fight though :\

note taken, HK will be dropping dreads in over the next few days/weeks - pay no attention to them.

Confirming Bite me. does not know how to fight back and has no batphones.

not batphoning is a good thing...
bat phoning in WHs has got to stop. all it's doing is making sure fights don't happen.

not batphoning is a good thing...
bat phoning in WHs has got to stop. all it's doing is making sure fights don't happen.

bat phoning in WHs has got to stop. all it's doing is making sure fights don't happen.

Confirming your corp doesn't want fights to happen.

Confirming your corp doesn't want fights to happen.

From our point of view, Bitten. wouldn't have attacked Arctic Light POSes in the middle of the night if fights was really what they were after, so we assumed it's an eviction attempt. I'd rather secure future fights by stopping a single fight from happening, any day. You can "confirm" batphones were involved in this, but Arctic Light seems to do fine when they are on their own too.

"Does not know how to fight" - EVE Kill
"Can't handle anything themselves" - Transmission Lost KB

We've also never experienced Bitten taking a fair fight unless they have an edge we don't know about. If it's either putting a couple of Orcas through a hole, so whoever wants to fight them through their hole accidentally collapses themselves on their side - or the more recent 8-10 Bhaalgorns logged off/hidden until the other side commits to a fight. We expected a trap, Bitten's reputation pointed to them never taking such a fight outnumbered in people and resources, especially in someones home system.

Who takes ~15 capitals into someone's home system for a "fight"..?

From our point of view, Bitten. wouldn't have attacked Arctic Light POSes in the middle of the night if fights was really what they were after, so we assumed it's an eviction attempt. I'd rather secure future fights by stopping a single fight from happening, any day. You can "confirm" batphones were involved in this, but Arctic Light seems to do fine when they are on their own too.

"Does not know how to fight" - EVE Kill
"Can't handle anything themselves" - Transmission Lost KB

We've also never experienced Bitten taking a fair fight unless they have an edge we don't know about. If it's either putting a couple of Orcas through a hole, so whoever wants to fight them through their hole accidentally collapses themselves on their side - or the more recent 8-10 Bhaalgorns logged off/hidden until the other side commits to a fight. We expected a trap, Bitten's reputation pointed to them never taking such a fight outnumbered in people and resources, especially in someones home system.

Who takes ~15 capitals into someone's home system for a "fight"..?

Can you bring me some cookies and milk? They won't let me have any until I clean my POS :(

So attempting to evict Hard Knocks, even though they fight, is ok. However, evicting Arctic Light is a huge no-no because they fight. The line seems a bit blurred at the moment.

Dear sir,

You do not decide what happens and where, you can merely attempt to influence the outcome.
Seriously, if someone fights, an eviction (even IF it was that) wont change a thing.
If anything, it helps keep someone on their toes.

In my personal opinion, "you lot" have all grown fat and lazy, and could use a good culling.
However, i have complete faith in our management, so even if our views differ, they lead, i follow.

bitten has 2 dozen capitals in system.

Who takes ~15 capitals into someone's home system for a "fight"..?

From our point of view, Bitten. wouldn't have attacked Arctic Light POSes in the middle of the night if fights was really what they were after, so we assumed it's an eviction attempt.

Agreed, Frozen Dawn does bring it and certainly knows how to fight. One of my most memorable fights was against them, a true ballbreaker fight where the standoff lasted for almost an hour before it was finally broken.

All the same, i wont hold it against a corps individual members.

Everyone is aware of how fights against large corporations or alliances go. Unless it's just us this happens to?

As the aggressor, you form up, and on a good day you have a subcap fleet of around 15-20 people, and a single capital if you want to go back out the way you came, 3 if you commit. As the defender you have an approximately similar subcap fleet, but you get 10+ caps. That's how it works right?

We know if we try and fight Arctic Light with a "wormholes worth" of ships, we're just going to get cap blobbed, we've done it before. So we attempt to level the playing field hoping our super secret tactics lack of pants will give us the advantage.

And we're FINE with that. If you want to cap blob, that's cool, that's your prerogative. But this seems to be a big bucket of tears because we TRIED TO FIGHT. I'm deeply sorry that your self imposed W-Space politics forced you to call in help from all angles because double our numbers wasn't enough.

Norcorp> HAI GAYS! WE LIVE IN A WORMHOLES

Eh.... Step down from your high horse and think for a while. I didn't comment on that being a run of the mill fight with a run of the mill large corporation or alliance. We've had those fights too, what made that fight memorable was that despite it being in their hole, we weren't greeted with 3-5 times the amount of capitals than what we brought, which would be what usually happens. I don't give a damn if you siege them or not, that's all on you. I merely agreed with the previous poster that they're not the kind of guys that I'd want driven out of w-space, they're not assholes nor are they just farmers.

Seems you're hell bent on seeing tears where there is none.

That's just ridiculous and self-righteous. No one wants to get evicted, and people will always do ANYTHING they can to fend off an eviction, including batphoning everyone they know. If people don't call friends when faced with eviction, it's only because they don't have any.

It's not only that you lose most of your stuff when evicted. The simple pain of spending weeks setting up in a new home, or resettling the old home, with all the tedious logistics involved, makes it a nightmare.

Not batphoning when faced with eviction would be totally stupid, it's that simple. Even if Bitten's main goal was not eviction, what if they had gotten their epic fight and won, and had their large fleet in the enemy home system with the defenders' fleet destroyed? Would they just go, or not rather raze everything to the ground while they were already there? Or ask for a huge ransom? Why would anyone take that risk with all their stuff on the line, while the aggressors have only their invasion fleet at risk?

1) Had it been a straight up fight vs Bite me and Arctic Dawn, Arctic Dawn had commited, and lost. Would Bite me taken advantage of the situation, to blap the towers for the juicy loot they could have contained?

Where I can see that you seeded the dreads to get an actual fight out of them, one of epic proportions to rock the wormhole halls forever, I can only speculate that you would have evicted them, had you won the fight. Purely because the potential for easy profit lies so close at hand.

2) If you wanted to only blap them, let them know. Hey you saw our 15 capitals, we only want a fight and we promise not to evict you if you bring it.

If your corp is known for E-Honoring their word, this may spur them to an actual fight, knowing that you won't truly go back on it and burn their system.

3) You made a tactical error showing your true strength before the engagement you wanted.

Wait for them to commit when they think they can win and then bring in the rest of your 'overwhelming' dread support.

If you can honestly say,
1) No we wouldn't have taken the easy road to isk

2) Yes we did say that and they didn't believe us

3) There was no choice

Then I feel bad you wasted your weekend for nothing, however, if it didn't occur to you to do 2 or 3, and you may have incinerated their system for easy isk, then I side with Arctic Light on what they did to ensure their assets live on.

The honest answer to 1 is, i don't know it, personally i was torn I have been pushing for an invasion for months mainly because i feel like it is the true driver of wormhole conflict, it solves the problems that are always brought up in discussion on how to improve wormhole space. The big fights and amazing stories attract more players to join wormhole space. Currently Wormhole Space is very stale very static nothing much is happening

I wanted to be part of the change, to get things happening. Personally i would like to evict alot of people, Nothing personal just think its a good way to cause fight and bitter rivalries which is healthy for the game, Batphoning and the circle jerk are one of the main reason this isn't happening,

and in a response to 2, No **** you, I hate organised fights, we will not 5v5 T1 cruisers at the sun, Man the **** up and fight

So 3 is an error but 2 is a good idea?

If, however, they see your 15 capitals, they assume they are getting evicted, at that point, they are going to bat phone. So if you wanted a fight, you could simply let them know that they won't be evicted if they bring a fight, then they may, or they may still bat phone, and you can just start evaccing your capitals. Letting them see your full strength is why this entire ordeal happened in the first place, so yes, it was a tactical mistake.

I personally hoped for an actual goodfite...

345 menbers - Arctic light: http://evewho.com/alli/Arctic+Light
198 members - Bite me inc http://evewho.com/corp/Bite+Me+inc

ZOMG 345 v 198 is not enough it needs to be AHARM (295 member) + NoHoldsBarred (447 members) + Arctic light (198 members)

295
447
198
___
940 (coalition) vs 198 (bite me inc) now thats a fair fight.......



Is this a troll? 940 vs 198 is a good fight? almost 5x as many.

Its all this circle jerking coalitions that is ruining high class wormholes. we try to start a war with somewon with 1.5x as many people as us, they get called blobbers and cowards wtf?

Please Read everything i wrote... and note that we only brought 20 characters :)

you know as well as anyone that bringing 20 active mains to a fight is a large force in WHs.

clearly they know, about 20 SSC was enough to scare Noho Caps into hiding and provide enough subcaps for us to take hole control and start blapping russians.

clearly they know, about 20 SSC was enough to scare Noho Caps into hiding and provide enough subcaps for us to take hole control and start blapping russians.

Really, nice attempt at smokescreening, but still a huge fail.

The honest answer to 1 is, i don't know it, personally i was torn I have been pushing for an invasion for months mainly because i feel like it is the true driver of wormhole conflict, it solves the problems that are always brought up in discussion on how to improve wormhole space. The big fights and amazing stories attract more players to join wormhole space. Currently Wormhole Space is very stale very static nothing much is happening

I wanted to be part of the change, to get things happening. Personally i would like to evict alot of people, Nothing personal just think its a good way to cause fight and bitter rivalries which is healthy for the game, Batphoning and the circle jerk are one of the main reason this isn't happening,

It would of been an amazing fight and a very tough one at that but it didn't happen

and in a response to 2, No **** you, I hate organised fights, we will not 5v5 T1 cruisers at the sun, Man the **** up and fight

So 3 is an error but 2 is a good idea?

You run on the logic of not evicting people who bring fights but ruin fights because you are to afraid to fight even with slightly even fleets, Last time we fought Arctic we fully commuted and they cap blobbed us so we seed caps to even the fight they batphone everyone

+1

Still I'd stick to the argument that when you face a credible threat of eviction, you always err on the side of caution and go for maximal escalation to defend your home. This is neither wrong nor should it come as a surprise to anyone.

Next time Bitten, Have a contingency plan. Expect whoever you are invading to not fight, and expect them to batphone, expect those c6 guys to roll into this target system. But remember whether u are outmanned, out gunned or out classed, there are other large wh entities that can roll into that same system too. All you have to do is ask

I think is AHARMS attempt at being relevant again in WH space. So they came in and scoped up the ball and said that you can't play anymore.

So attempting to evict Hard Knocks, even though they fight, is ok. However, evicting Arctic Light is a huge no-no because they fight. The line seems a bit blurred at the moment.

I think is AHARMS attempt at being relevant again in WH space. So they came in and scoped up the ball and said that you can't play anymore.

Bite me inc: You knew very well that there was a big chance NoHo/AHARM would show up. Don't be surprised, be prepared.

blah blah blah

Worth to note is, that Bitten. also had some help. They had also members of Hobos with a Railgun -corporation with their fleet in our wormhole. We also learned, that they have a POS at Bitten. homesystem. Therefore, we knew now that Bitten. was not alone with this.

knowing Bitten. reputation of not usually fighting except when they are certain to win, we believed that they either had very strong unseen reserves or strong help incoming.

We had strong unseen reserves of balls deep.

I just have to comment on this, the amount of times we went into something, with every single member of the fleet knowing we are probably just whelping our fleet, and STILL coming out on top, is mind boggling.
Better yet, for some reason, we even take next to no losses most of the time.

It pays off to be balsy, and we wouldnt have it any other way.
And yes, we do whelp sometimes, and it wont stop us from doing it again.

Really, i love the guys in this corp, and would follow them anywhere, because they'd do the same for me.

We've also never experienced Bitten taking a fair fight unless they have an edge we don't know about. If it's either putting a couple of Orcas through a hole, so whoever wants to fight them through their hole accidentally collapses themselves on their side - or the more recent 8-10 Bhaalgorns logged off/hidden until the other side commits to a fight. We expected a trap, Bitten's reputation pointed to them never taking such a fight outnumbered in people and resources, especially in someones home system.

bad reputation which basically is the reason we showed up.

if there was an unknown associate or some ace in the hole the we didn't know about (as that's what previous experiences with Bitten pointed to as mentioned above)

but when it comes down to it we are the winners here because of your tactical mistakes and bad reputation which basically is the reason we showed up.

What should I get for dinner? Chinese or Italian?

What should I get for dinner? Chinese or Italian?

Confirming Bane is contribuing at his maximum capacity. Please do not attempt to stifle the lad. When he gets frustrated he goes into 'juggernaught mode' and there is no stopping him.

EVE Online: 6 pages of badposting and in the end Finland wins.

And many alt/nobody posts.

+1 for Biten. You guys got guts. Kudos for forcing them to call in help.

I don't know what you guys are talking about with Arctic Light not fighting. They gave us a good fight yesterday.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16666713

I don't know what you guys are talking about with Arctic Light not fighting. They gave us a good fight yesterday.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16666713

well with this mess over at least tuna can go back to being on near permanent expo for that titan he wants so bad