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Atandros
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Posted - 2005.08.03 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Atandros on 03/08/2005 21:12:39 Over the past week, Jericho Fraction combat ships have been operating in the northern regions of the Eve star cluster and chose to take a direct role in striking against Phoenix Alliance shipping in support of our pledge to aid the beleaguered Xelas government in Tenal.
It was, and is, our intention to reserve active hostility to those corporations and alliances that directly backed the Phoenix Alliance aggression against their neighbours, and to consider all other residents of the north neutral and invalid combat targets.
Though this policy remains in force, we have noticed a growing tendency for independent corporations and members of uninvolved alliances to set JF and allies to ū10 (KOS) status and while we invite any such challenge, it has been apparent that the majority of ships and personnel rendered hostile by these recent decisions have been lightly armed merchants, industrial vessels and auxiliary warships with relatively inexperienced crews.
It is important that each CEO and member of a northern corporation understands that attacking JF and its allies will produce a -10 standing towards that corporation and alliance. This may unnecessarily place your industrialists and non-combatents in harms way. Once that commitment has been made there is no way to protect your vessel against loss if you are engaged by JF and allied assets. We are not pirates, we do not ransom, and we do not negotiate in tactical engagements with war-enemies. If your corporation commits aggression against our pilots, we will inhibit your operations and destroy your ships and capsules wherever and whenever we can.
And lastly, on the subject of allies, northern CEOs should keep in mind that they cannot have different standings to Omerta Syndicate and Jericho Fraction as our two corporations are long-term allies and are cooperating closely in the north. If your standings for the two corporations differ, pick one standings setting and apply it to both.
So,
What is apparent here, is that the large alliances of the North: Phoenix Alliance, Imperial Republic, Forsaken Empire and such are dictating the standings of independent corporations and drawing them into this war with a combination of peer pressure and bullying.
While this will not sway our policies in any way it is endangering the livelihood of independent corporations than are so influenced. Jericho Fraction has no wish to slaughter the independent traders and industrialists of the north, especially those that have been friendly to us for many months, but has no alternative but to fire on all ships belonging to corporations flagged -10 (KOS) against us.
To those alliances attempting this form of foreign policy manipulation against their neighbours please understand it is an entirely fruitless tactic, since under no circumstances will we discuss or alter our own corporate standings under external pressure or blackmail whatever the source.
Jericho Fraction sets whatever standings we wish to set, and our relations with external corporations always reflect our past dealings, business relationships and mutual camaraderie.
It is our intention to continue targeting Phoenix Alliance shipping in Pure Blind, Venal, Branch and Tenal for the foreseeable future, and if you wish to be neutral in this conflict then simply resist the pressure of the northern governments and keep your standings to us neutral or better.
If your corporation has previously been bullied or manipulated into setting a -10 rating against Jericho Fraction and you wish neutrality restored then you are invited to discuss with our diplomatic directors: LyĘsol, Atandros, Tatsue Nuko.
If you are happy with your -10 reciprocal standing then fine, see you in space!
This has been a simple advisory notification of interest primarily to independents embroiled in the first stage of the latest northern war.
Let's keep discussion clean and constructive please.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.08.03 21:48:00 -
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Umm so you get beat and think we will just nap you, lmao have fun running around in pos's and safespots.
DJ shows his true feelings. James Kavourias > just need a **** break soon:P dj lightning > let me know when and i will hold |
Atandros
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Atandros on 03/08/2005 22:03:35
Originally by: Uggs386 Umm so you get beat and think we will just nap you, lmao have fun running around in pos's and safespots.
Originally by: Original Post If you are happy with your -10 reciprocal standing then fine, see you in space!
At any rate, the extent of the interaction between our two entities so far has been a couple of our pilots helping to defend the Xelas station, thus you can't possibly claim to have beaten us. So, this has nothing to do with you or your fellow intellectuals in NBSI, rather it concerns the myriad Pure Blind & Deklein corps, many of which have industrial assets and shipping in Pure Blind, that have made us -10 recently.
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:06:00 -
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Uggs, do you keep a handbook titled "the smacktalkers guide to moronic come-backs" by any chance?
If not, you could write one, and make a whole lot of ISK out of it!
Seriously, if you don't have anything to say that is even applicable, or say, doesn't highlight your inability to understand what you're attempting to laugh at, then why bother saying anything at all?
It's like kicking yourself in the face in an attempt to prove you're more flexible than someone else...
[ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:11:00 -
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I'm sorry wa sjust statiing nbsi opinion and our wish to be kept as -10 if that is smack then im sorry.
DJ shows his true feelings. James Kavourias > just need a **** break soon:P dj lightning > let me know when and i will hold |
hired goon
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:18:00 -
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Bullying of neutral corps? We're all friends up here, all one community. I'm afraid your
Originally by: Atandros cannot have different standings to Omerta Syndicate and Jericho Fraction as our two corporations are long-term allies and are cooperating closely in the north. If your standings for the two corporations differ, pick one standings setting and apply it to both.
Pretty much works both ways. Don't just decide to bully PA and expect not to incur the wrath of the other alliances in the frankly well-known northern conglomerate.
You guys seemed ok, it's honestly a shame that you picked the side of the eternally hostile, alliance-killing, expansionist BoB to the peaceful and democratic north where you belong. You could have fought with us against tyranny. Like I said, it's a shame.
But we all act as one. I think I speak for all the northern residents when I say, we dislike rats in our home. ------------
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arjun
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: arjun on 03/08/2005 22:29:24 Edited by: arjun on 03/08/2005 22:27:44 lets just hunt them and their cronies wherever/whenever we find them in northern space. they stirred the sheet long enough. if there is oportunity to kill one of them then do the good deed.
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Invisible Touch
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:59:00 -
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Anandros,
WE DONT CARE. STOP
GO BUBBLE UP. STOP
PLEASE DONT SLAUGHTER US. STOP
PLEASE DONT REFRAIN FROM POSTING FOR 1 HR. STOP
PLEASE DONT GO TO FOUNTAIN. STOP
PLEASE DONT STOP TEACHING HISTORY. STOP
Geez.
Go Fountain.
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:05:00 -
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That is no Manipulation, there is no bullying. There is only friendships, and corps that stick by those friendships.
Thankyou to those corps (you know who you are).
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Uggs386 Umm so you get beat and think we will just nap you, lmao have fun running around in pos's and safespots.
... and people say the forums are irrelevent to what happens in space. I don't think I've ever met someone from NBSI in local but I know I don't like them
Seriously guys get a clue, it was explicitly stated in that message from atandros that we don't give a rat's ass what hostile alliances think. That was meant as an informative post for those independent corps getting bullied into unifying standings with the big dogs on threat of exclusion from the north.
And that is pretty much all.
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:14:00 -
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Yay another person hates me, maybe i can get another message saying ive been blocked i enjoy collecting those.
DJ shows his true feelings. James Kavourias > just need a **** break soon:P dj lightning > let me know when and i will hold |
Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Uggs386 Yay another person hates me, maybe i can get another message saying ive been blocked i enjoy collecting those.
Not you specifically the corp/alliance/whatever you fly with ... me I don't hate any individuals but I don't like the systems that turn out poorly educated social misfits with bad attitudes I consider myself something of a remedial education schoolteaching nun with tech2 ion blaster cannons and a license to kill.
Now you're in detention!
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:20:00 -
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Are oyu gonna give me a beating with your ruler, cause i like it a bit rough.
DJ shows his true feelings. James Kavourias > just need a **** break soon:P dj lightning > let me know when and i will hold |
Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Uggs386 Are oyu gonna give me a beating with your ruler, cause i like it a bit rough.
I might well do you bad boy, come on down to H-pa29 one of these nights y'hear
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Uggs386 on 03/08/2005 23:24:56
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Uggs386 Are oyu gonna give me a beating with your ruler, cause i like it a bit rough.
I might well do you bad boy, come on down to H-pa29 one of these nights y'hear
Very tempting, rawr.
DJ shows his true feelings. James Kavourias > just need a **** break soon:P dj lightning > let me know when and i will hold |
Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:38:00 -
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onos! Please don't shoot us Jericho Fraction!! My corp are just peaceful independents flying lightly armed merchants, industrial vessels and auxiliary warships with relatively inexperienced crews!!!
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.08.03 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon You guys seemed ok, it's honestly a shame that you picked the side of the eternally hostile, alliance-killing, expansionist BoB to the peaceful and democratic north where you belong. You could have fought with us against tyranny. Like I said, it's a shame.
You mean, like when you shot at JF after the agree..heh.
I note with great interest that your face isn't straight. At all. Must be how you say that kind of mealy-mouthes placitidues from the propaganda book.
Personal opinion, of course.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.08.04 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Balistic Void onos! Please don't shoot us Jericho Fraction!! My corp are just peaceful independents flying lightly armed merchants, industrial vessels and auxiliary warships with relatively inexperienced crews!!!
lies!
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Petite Pierre
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Posted - 2005.08.04 01:22:00 -
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Always a ***** when the bandwagon strikes back.
On that note, I think this thread is more or less pointless, as you boys have dealt with greater threats in the past. While I know that its a custom for your corporation to air major or less major events surrouding the JF "concept", this sounds more and more as a "Mommy, they threw rocks at me and called me names".
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.08.04 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Uggs386 Are oyu gonna give me a beating with your ruler, cause i like it a bit rough.
I might well do you bad boy, come on down to H-pa29 one of these nights y'hear
Sorry Jasmine, E-R is only interested in man love. However us Black Lance guys know how to show a lady a good time. :)
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.08.04 01:28:00 -
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Pierre, please be small if you have nothing constructive to say.
(Sorry for the pun, but damn it, that name's asking for it... )
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.08.04 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Atandros
What is apparent here, is that the large alliances of the North: Phoenix Alliance, Imperial Republic, Forsaken Empire and such are dictating the standings of independent corporations and drawing them into this war with a combination of peer pressure and bullying.
uh, I don't want to ruffle any feathers for you guys since you tend to shoot at the drop of a hat but that is a bit unrealistic. Maybe some people don't like JF and their history. Some people would say the last big long lame northern lie/propaganda fest that got on everyone's nerves last time had a lot to do with JF. Perhaps people don't want to see that again and are showing they don't like JF's typical tactics with out wanting to gain attention on the forums.
I don't intend a Flame, just maybe you guys have caused the problem, maybe.
"You can go kill people wherever you want if you take the consequences like a man (or a woman)." -Oveur |
Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.08.04 01:34:00 -
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Well Tomahawk, it's a common phenomenon so I believe the assumption as stated in the press release is merited. As an example, we're not the only ones targeted. Omerta Syndicate has been targeted without previous notification by corporations not part of an alliance that previously held a mutual +10.
Omerta made them pay though.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.08.04 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Well Tomahawk, it's a common phenomenon so I believe the assumption as stated in the press release is merited. As an example, we're not the only ones targeted. Omerta Syndicate has been targeted without previous notification by corporations not part of an alliance that previously held a mutual +10.
Omerta made them pay though.
yeah maybe, but weren't omerta in Star fraction and didn't they just say they set PA to -10 to back up their friends the JF? maybe some bleed over?
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.08.04 01:42:00 -
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Omerta was in Star Fraction, yes. Omerta set the Phoenix Alliance to -10, yes.
Omerta warned about this, as did Jericho. When you've held friendship with someone, and wish to change it for whichever political reasons, honor demands that you make this known.
That is my view, at least.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.08.04 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss uh, I don't want to ruffle any feathers for you guys since you tend to shoot at the drop of a hat but that is a bit unrealistic. Maybe some people don't like JF and their history. Some people would say the last big long lame northern lie/propaganda fest that got on everyone's nerves last time had a lot to do with JF. Perhaps people don't want to see that again and are showing they don't like JF's typical tactics with out wanting to gain attention on the forums.
I don't intend a Flame, just maybe you guys have caused the problem, maybe.
Its actually a lot simpler than that mr Bliss. A lot of the Northern alliances have a policy where to get access to a region a new corp has to adopt their kill list. While this makes a certain kind of sense when dealing with shoot anyone pirates it makes less sense for new and relatively uncombat worthy corps forced into fighting people who really don't care about them or the alliance forcing the standing.
Case in point. We've had a couple of recent incidents with hauler pilots whose corps have gone -10 to us on the directives of the Northern Alliances have been shot and pod-killed by our ships.
Now these aren't traditional hardcore PA corps or old guard GNW veterans, these are new guys and girls without a clue about all of this political background. But because their CEO has chosen to seek access to "X" region they have been directed to adopt "Y" kill list, regardless of the fact "Z" corp has no interest in their area of operations at all.
While this means little or no additional threat level to our ships it does rather suck for the novice pilots removed from their ships and podded. Hence the statement, and the chance for the CEO's of those corps to quietly take Jericho and Omerta from -10 and return to simple neutrality.
We aren't pirate corps, we aren't interested in loot or ransom. We are interested in fighting PA over the issue of bullying its neigbours. This really has nothing to do with the neighbouring alliances and certainly has nothing to do with random hauler corps in Pureblind.
And that ultimately is who this advisary notification is aimed at.
As Atandros points out we really haven't the slightest belief that this message will make any difference to the big northern Alliances and their political position whatsoever.
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.08.04 02:03:00 -
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that could also be a major reason, I'm sure it is in fact. But at least you are giving them good experience in 0.0 warfare. :)
"You can go kill people wherever you want if you take the consequences like a man (or a woman)." -Oveur |
Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.08.04 03:48:00 -
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It does suck for the new corps. But it's standard practices for alliances. If you're in an alliance and have fought long and hard to secure your space and a new corp wants to share in the benefit isn't it fare to ask them to help shre in the defense? If these corps are too new in combat and can't handle themselves in 0.0 then maybe they shouldn't take on that obligation.
The problem is this. If you let neutrals into your 0.0 space out of the goodness of your heart it poses difficulties. Your pilots start having trouble knowing who to shoot and who not to shoot. Also it breeds resentment on the part of the defenders who are fighting and dying and spending isk like mad while some small corp uses their space to npc and mine ore in. So if a corp wants access to Iron, G or PA space they're going to have to follow those alliances respective rules. And that probably means their kos list. Alliances don't do it to be ****s or to be bullies. They do it for their own security. Now I'm not commenting on any particular alliance here as I'm new to the north and don't know Iron, G and PA's specific practices, I just used them as examples.
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Petite Pierre
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Posted - 2005.08.04 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Pierre, please be small if you have nothing constructive to say.
(Sorry for the pun, but damn it, that name's asking for it... )
The name I take pride in, and the Petit(e) is well intended ;)
C'est rien mal avec roleplaying un franžais gai ;)
As for constructive remarks, I don't think my post could be marked as un-constructive. There is no trace of flame there, just facts well known to anyone.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.08.04 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 04/08/2005 10:22:26
Yay, Jericho ****ing off the north. Rings a bell?
Btw, above was a joke. ;) Good luck to you dudes and hope we'll see you on the battlefield. Also, eve-mail me with the names of the corporations taking you up on yer offer
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